Who are celebrating. Im ali velshi we begin this hour with th latest in the investigation an the insurrection, and th historic january Six Committees highly anticipated final report the document is massive, bot in scope, its 845 pages long, and importance, relating to th future of democracy in the United States. However, Synthesizing Th Monumental Report down to on line is easy its this. Quote, the Central Cause O january six was one man. The man is exactly who you think it is, donald j trump. The report also notes, quote none of the events of januar six wouldve happened withou him. Separately, the committee is voted to refer trump to Th Committee Of Justice for prosecution and for criminal charges, including obstruction of an official proceeding, a well as 18 and insurrection. Important to know right now, the 14th Amendment of th constitution, vance individual who engage in an insurrectio from holding federal or stat office the Committee Reports persists recommendations to prevent another january 6th all attack including having congressman vote the 14th Amendment, barring the insurrectionis from Holding Public office again. It all comes as congress has passed a major 1. 7 trillio dollar spending bill, whic includes an overhaul of federa election law maybe its not an overhaul, bu theres some things that hav changed. Some important things that are changed about the electora count back, in an Effort T Prevent the january six by revising that at the counter 1887 joining me now is barbara look laid a former u. S. Attorney fo the Eastern District o michigan, and msnbc lega analyst, cohost of the sister and love podcast also with me is elizabet holtzman, a former congresswoman from the state o new york she is a council alopecia, and the author of th forward of the Sky House Print Edition of the january six report importantly, she was a membe of the House Judiciary Committee during watergate welcome to both of you thank you for being with us. Liz, i appreciate having you here because you have a sens of history because of watergate, and will how thatll progress their congress and a meaningful way, and ended up with Th Resignation of Richard Nixon this is been entirel different. This is technically bipartisan but it had absolute opposition from most of the republica party. Yet, they have come out with 845 pages of this thing. And you feed 1000 people had 1 million pages worth of documents. They have literally released transcripts on a daily basis what is your evaluation of how this january Six Committee has done well, i think theyve don spectacular job. I think they were faced with the fact that they were some prior hearings that didnt win public attention they had a tv consultants, t executive who helped shape the narrative into something tha was compelling, dramatic, that people would listen to the American People grasped. Not everyone, remembered when Richard Nixon resigned, even though it was totall bipartisan condemnation of him theres still war about 24 of the American People who love him, wouldve followed him ove a cliff. Okay, you cant get everyone support all the time and i think the committee did fabulous job and presenting th facts clearly, simply, using republicans so you couldnt attack the witnesses for partisanship, an presenting it in a coker it and compelling narrative the difference between now and watergate is when nixo resigned, he was emasculated he had no more power we still have donald trump out there claiming to come back, wanting to come back claiming it wanted to com back heres the interesting part, barbara, putting aside the political pressure on donald trump, including for Mitch Mcconnell, who is finall actually need to mess th problem and the Republican Party, there is enough going o with donald trump that its no Richard Nixon resigning. There is enough pressure between the january si committees report, th criminal referrals of th Justice Department, and th various other cases that are proceeding against him to actually have the effect in a different way. I think theres a possibility. Although, it seems as donald trump loves to play the role o the victim grievance, resentment, it very much his brand. You know, when he is under attack is when he is mos aggressive he believes the best defense i a good offense thats why you see him sayin outrageous things like terminating the constitution i think the statements are actually really dangerous. I think one or more of these investigations are likely to snare him, and hold hi accountable. In the meantime, i worry about the effects he can have, the damage he can do i believe that ultimately he will be held accountable, an ultimately, that will help quell all of the unrest that comes from his efforts t divide the country liz, what about the rest of it theres a criminal referrals which everyone is focusing on, for good reason. Theyd like the Justic Department, or jack smith, o Merrick Garland to do somethin about it the committee came up with all sorts of other things. One of which is the 14th Amendment, they vote the 14t amendment. That becomes a little tricky because he hasnt been convicted of anything yet. Lots of people have been convicted of staff we know there was an attempted insurrection the report says this wouldv happened without donald trump, he was the cause of it that, again, gets politicized. If congress has to invoke th 14th Amendment, politically Republican Controlled Congress the skies and insurrection, as he can hold office im not sure i would hold my breath right, i think that any congressional reforms that are recommended by this committee, or by anyone else, Try T Approve the electoral proces and make it fair, and less susceptible to the Kinds O Corruption Attack that we ha under trump. Its likely to fail. The republican in the house, which is now moving forward on it the electoral count act is vital. I think the most important thing is really for th prosecutors and Department O Justice to do their job, and not to shy away from prosecuting the president s o the evidence is there, and the laws there we did not create a king. They couldnt prosecute you can, you can impeach a caring the framers made a very clea that anyone who was in offic could be prosecuted. Theyre not immune we should not create a immunity for president s, because that would be the most dangerous thing we could do. It would be almost as dangerou as what donald trump did barbara, whats your can anything happen on tha front, short of a criminal prosecution by the problem in justice that results in decision, a ruling that Donald Trumps insurrectionist . Its a really interesting question, ali. I dont think anyone knows the answer to that question. It is so untested. We have seen a play out ne mexico, with someone who is local official there, wh participated in the january si events he was kept off the ballot when i think the mechanism isnt its unspecified in the constitution, isnt each state when people are determined whether they are or no eligible to appear on th ballot, someone could raise challenge of donald trump name appears there, in a rac for president. Based on what weve seen already, there have to be in adjudication, but i think each could do its own adjudication. If you were to be kept off the ballots, and only a few ke states, that could be enough t keep him out of office liz holtzman, the likelihood, theres four charges that have been referred to the Justice Department they have no legal weight, but thats not the relevant part o this a congressional reporter tha is 845 pages long, with lots o supporting documentation has now gone to the Justic Department where somebody is o the case of actually investigating donald trump there are a lot of people, and had this conversation with barbara, the Insertion Charges is the biggest, possibly mos important, but it is the hardest to prove it is the one thats going t be most politicized. Whats your sense of whether o not the department of justic may or may not select that t pursue for those reasons its a hard thing to bring a case against a former president , thats a hard thing to prove anyway well, i dont know. The insurrection took place in front of the American People everyone could see it. Everyone saw exactly wha donald trump did and didnt do they saw him exhorting the crowd to march to the capitol. He heard him exhort the crow to fight like hell they saw that he sat and did nothing for more than thre hours, two plus hours. That tells American People a lot. It tells lawn forsman people a lot. Whether you can, whether the want to bring the charge shane and, after looking at all of the history and study that insurrectionists i think the Insurrection Status Encapsulates Exactl what donald trump is trying to do he was trying to overthrow the authority of the United States he made start mates, yes he and started, the cdc did that, but what was the intense and purpose. What was the significance of his act . It was to overthrow an electio and we never have seen tha before, former president its a shocking thing. Thanks to both of you good to see you both thank you, Merry Christmas t you both it is saying to you and you audience Elizabeth Holtzman is a former congresswoman for the author of the ford of th sky forced press Print Additio of the january six report. All, right still, had the on and only Steve Kornacki breaks down the important lessons w learn from this news Midterm Elections and what to look for in the next divided congress plus, the latest on the warn ukraine. One day after unleashing a wav of air attacks on civilians, Vladimir Putin says is coming from the man who started the war, Completel Unprovoked ukrainian president zelensky reference Multiple Histori Battles For Freedom this wee during a speech before Congress History that everyone should now coming up, next were goin to talk about those mentions and what it sa aysbout the result of the canadian people. Subaru and our retailers have donated over two hundred and fifty Million Dollars to charity. 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Americans to truly understan the gravity of ukraines ongoing fight for freedo against russia, so whe ukrainian president Volodymy Zelenskyy address congress o wednesday, he tried to appea to americans by invoking references to two Historical Military battles the battle is saratoga, th battle of the bulge. Both were considered Turning Points for america in Differen Ways Sullen Ski compared to battl of saratoga to his military fight for the small, eastern ukrainian city of bakhmut. Russian military and have been taking back nonsto since may. They have been taking it day and night, but buck mood stance just like the Battle O Saratoga The Fight For Bakhmut will change the trajectory of our war for independence, and fo freedom. Let me tell you a bit about that reference the Battle Of Saratoga was fought during the Revolutionar War By The American patriots who wanted to gain independenc from Great Britain at the beginning of the war, americans face many defeat against the british and Strong Military allies, but th tide started to turn i september of 1777. The Battle Of Saratoga consisted of two crucial battles fought 18 days apart the fierce fighting began on a farm in saratoga new york, o september the 19th, 1777 momentum switch side throughout the intense fighting, but it said that the british suffered doubled the number of casualties that the american dead during that first part of the battle while the brits waited for reinforcements, the number o american troops groove the fighting continued o october the 7th, 1777. With british supplies dwindling, vast eventually, the America Patriots had the british red coat surrounded, with fe options on the table, th british surrendered to the americans. Dealing a decisive victory t america, and changing Th Trajectory of the revolution we present day ukraine, Th Battle For Bakhmut has bee relentless for nearly five months, with incessant bombing and attacks by russia, but a wilenski said, ukraine has hel strong and bakhmut the Ukrainian Army has already performed far abov expectations, tiring the russians, Depleting Thei weapons and supplies, like i saratoga if russia manages to win the battle for bequeathed, it will come at great Military Costs as the lewinsky compared the broader russian conflict to th battle of the bulge. A world war ii Turning Point between the allied powers an German Forces during christmas time they threw everything against us, similar to the which is in the battle of th bulge. Through ever seeing and ha against the free world, just like the brave america soldiers which held t