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Good morning, everyone. Welcome to weekend with alex witt. Breaking news to share from geneva. U. S. And russia reach a day on syrias Chemical Weapons Program that sets a critical deadline. Heres secretary of state john kerry moments ago. We said at the outset that to accomplish our goal this plan had to produce transparency, accountability, timeliness and enforceability. It must be credible and verifiable. If fully implemented, we believe it can meet these standards. Ian williams is in geneva. Ian, with a good day to you. What are the details of this deal . Good day to you, alex. Well, they broke up late this morning after a marathon three days of negotiations. And, yes, they do have a deal, a deal which john kerry describes as a road map, but one he says, if fully implemented, could rid syria of chemical weapons and could be a first step to the broader diplomatic solution to civil war in syria. The deadlines on this are pretty tough. He said syria has to fully declare their Nuclear Weapons within one week and they must be given unfettered access by november. And hes talking about a deadline of the middle of 2014 nor syria to be rid of the chemical weapons. Now, what is interesting is on the enforceability side of things. Kerry said if this was not fully enforced, if syria didnt fully comply, they would be referred to chapter 7 which theoretically does allow for military action. But also it allows for a lot of other things, shorter military action. And of course the russians and chinese have a veto. In some ways this is a dilution on a tough response if the syrians fail to comply. Nevertheless, it will go to the Syrian Council if the syrians fall short. Ian, thank you very much for the latest developments. From washington now and a bit more on the mornings break through agreement, Kristin Welker is skroeupbg me for that. They held this closed door meeting late yesterday. You were there. Did you get a hint that a deal was close . We certainly got a sense there had been progress because senior officials announced what is a concession, saying the United States is prepared for the fact that a u. N. Resolution will not include use of force trigger. To the point that ian just made. They said that triggers are consequences for assad not following through with the stated plan. Would include things like sanctions and those details were still being worked out. But, again, would not include a use of force trigger. Having said that, they also said the president is reserving his right to strike assad unilaterally if the United States determines that he is not following through with this plan. President obama had more on that in his weekly address. Take a listen. We are not just going to take russian and assads word for it. We need to see concrete actions that syria is serious about giving up its chemical weapons. We will maintain our military posture in the region to keep the pressure on the assad regime. And if diplomacy fails, the the United States and the International Community must remain prepared to act. Now, the other headline that came out of that meeting, alex, is the white house would like to see a u. N. Resolution passed within the the next several weeks. They also responded to reports that assad has been moving his chemical weapons stockpile around. They say they are keeping tabs, tracking that chemical weapons stockpile. They say they have a a pretty good level of confidence that they know where the chemical weapons are. But certainly big developments. On friday, a deal was getting close. Now it appears that one has been reached. Alex . Okay. Kristin welker, we will get back to you later today and see about developments. The other big story, colorado bracing for even more rain. National guard convoys are assisting in dramatic rescues in remote areas cut off for days by floodwaters. And evacuating 2500 people from lyons, another 300 residents from jamestown. My house is okay, but you cant get to it at all because the river the creek is now four different rivers going through town. Where are you going next . I dont know. 172 people are still unaccounted for after the historic flooding in Boulder County. Those unaccounted for are not considered missing but they have not yet contacted friends or family. Colorados governor declared a disaster emergency in 14 counties. The situation is so bad the National Weather service is describing it as biblical flooding. Its a nightmare. I never would have guessed this ever. We have been in this neighborhood almost nine years, and i have never seen anything like this. It was absolutely terrifying. We were lucky to get out. My neighbor two doors down is still missing. Joe farr is in boulder, colorado right now. You hear the term biblical flooding. How are things looking this morning . The good news, alex, we continue to have a reprieve from the rain. It highlights why this is still such a dangerous situation. At least four people have died. That includes a young couple, a boyfriend and girlfriend, who are just 19 years old. Nearly 200 people unaccounted for. It doesnt mean theyre missing. It just means loved ones havent heard from them. That could just be because of the massive Power Outages in the area. Plucking people from jamestown and bringing them to the airport. And National Guard helping with ground rescues. Theyre using high clearance vehicles that can get through the water, get to lyons, and bring people to safety. Both of the communities cut off by the floodwaters. Most say they have not had power since the floods began. The sheriff in Boulder County telling us yesterday that every road leading to the western part of the county is gone right now, alex. That is extraordinary. So literally the only way to get in is by air. What about horseback . Are there areas they think will be clear enough maybe not with vehicles but what else can they try . Some of the most incredible video was someone using a zip line to get across a raging river. We have seen boats, though that is not highly recommended because these waters are so aggressive. The helicopter obviously is key to getting people it of jamestown. They werent able to drive into jamestown. They could drive into lyons with the high clearance vehicles. They still have hundreds of people to get out of these two towns. Joe, where are you right now . What river is that behind you . Its Boulder Creek. We are in the center of boulder, not that far from the college in the heart of town here. This is where a lot of the water runs to. So it gives you an idea what many of the rivers and streams are like throughout northern colorado. Thats a creek . Wow. We are hearing from a man who survived after his car crashed into deep floodwaters. A road collapsed in boulder, look at that, sending three cars and their drivers into the water. The first two men except ray ortiz. They had no idea he was still trapped in the back of his car. He found a little space where he found air to breathe. The car is going forward. So when i stay right there, the water is coming out. Only my head can fit right there in that space. We didnt know that he was in the car still. For him to be able to find that one air pocket inside the car is amazing. And the air to last that long is nothing short of a miracle. Rescuers came back and pulled him to safety. Colorado is bracing for more rain. Fun town is gone. The investigation into an epic fire next. And the legal battle for a bride accused of pushing her husband, her new husband off a cliff. If she confessed to the crime, why isnt she behind bars . I love it how much do you love it . Animation is hot. 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They want to pore over all of this evidence to get a look at just the physical space and try to pinpoint where that fire may have started. Witnesses told nbc news they had seen smoldering coming from one of the frozen custard stands in that area. That fire of course quickly swept underneath the boardwalk consuming nearly 80 of the seaside park and Seaside Heights businesses here on this strip or the boardwalk on this strip. So they have a lot to contend with. Still no known cause. But of course its also not just the financial toll here. The criminal investigation. There is a real heavy emotional toll thats being dealt with here today. There will be counselors brought in to help Business Owners and residents deal with this. Alex, we were back here when businesses were reopening after sandy. This will be much tougher for, many of them are telling us. Emotionally they are psyched. Now they are gnawinged down once again. Many of them did not have the insurance worked out or did not have insurance at all. So theres a lot to look ahead as this investigation gets under way and people are still coming back trying to assess the damage. Awful, awful. Talk about a real suckerpunch to the gut. Can i ask, michelle, the fact that theyre doing a criminal investigation at least at this point, isnt that Standard Operating Procedure for fires . Dont they always have to investigate . Maybe because this one is so large, thats part of the reason why it is taking a while . It is. It is standard procedure. Atf is always involved in a large fire, we are told, of this magnitude. Given the location, the circumstances, they certainly would go over everything in this investigation. And governor christie said they just need to get in there and get a good look. Michelle franzen in a beleaguered Seaside Heights, new jersey. Thank you. One of the lasting images perhaps for years to come will be the funtown pier sign standing amid the flames and the smoke. And what is funtown . It is the name of the pier that held an amusement park. They had rides like tornado and mighty mouse, tower of fear. Owners had been planning a grand reopening next year. No word how much or whether they will rebuild again. In montana, a woman accused of killing her husband by pushing him off a cliff has been released from jail as she awaits her trial. The judge said 22yearold jordan lynn graham doesnt pose a danger to the community or a flight risk. We will have to wear a monitor and have to under go a Mental Health evaluation. Joining me is nbc analyst clint van zandt. Good morning. Alex, good morning. I always like to turn to you and make sure the world is still there. It is still there. Tragically not for this one man. This is just incredible, clint. This newlywed has confessed to killing her husband. She pushed him. But the prosecutors say that she tried to cover up the crime, lie to the police after the incident took place. So where exactly does that leave police with their investigation . What are they looking for ahead of this trial . Well, theres a lot going on here, alex. One of the groomsmen in the wedding a week prior to the death, suggested that the bride never looked at her husband during the entire ceremony. What does that say . Who knows . Now we know she exchanged Text Messages with a friend indicating the day that her husband went over this cliff that they were going to have a discussion and suggesting she feared for her own life. Alex, we get to the point then. First she said sure husband disappeared in a car with somebody else. Next, she finds the body and tells a ranger, hey, i found the body. A ranger said, boy, thats interesting you would find it in the entire National Glacier park. And the story is that she and her husband argued, that he grabbed her arm, that she made him release. And then, alex, she says she took two hands on his back and shoved him and he went over the side. My question is, if you and i are arguing, alex, you have just broken my grip on your arm, would you turn your back to me then . There are still holes that have to be filled. As youre describing it, im thinking no. No. How much will factor into the investigation . Ie, motive. Yeah. You know, we always look at means, motive and opportunity. Obviously she had the opportunity. They were the only two there. She confesses shoved him. The question is did she shove him to get him away, or did she shove him to push him over the cliff because she lied afterwards. Had she simply come forward and said, you know, what we had an argument. We pushed each other. I immediately dialed 911. But she doesnt do that. She tells a cover up story. This takes us back to 2005. We remember the george smith story on his honeymoon who fell off or was somehow pushed, fell off his honeymoon cruise ship when his wife was passed out in a hall. These stories keep coming around. This one still has to be told and complete. Absolutely. Which means we will have you back as things are developing. Clint van zandt, thank you so much. As the nation marks the 50th anniversary of the civil rights movement, how dr. Bill crosby is continuing the fight. Look, i want my people to sail. And i feel that when the numbers show that we need to get our children and move them out of harms way, children are not graduating at the numbers education is so important. Yet we need to get to these children. We need to get to them and take them away from the idea that they dont need it. Dont miss craigs interview 3 00 p. M. Eastern sunday on msnbc. The bitter truth about your most favorite treat. Its the Little Things in life that make me smile. Spending the day with my niece. 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We agreed that syria must submit within a week. Not in 30 days, but in one week, a comprehensive listing and Additional Details will be addressed regarding that in the coming days. Joining me now is democratic congressman, member of the Armed Services committee. And with a welcome to you, maam, you just heard the secretary of state there announcing this agreement. Whats your reaction to that . And do you trust syria to comply . Good morning, alex. You know, we just heard the announcement a little while ago, read it. And im i believe syria will comply simply because they have their major ally on as part of this deal. Okay. And youre talking there certainly about russia. Beyond the chemical weapons, u. N. Secretarygeneral ban kimoon was quoted as saying the Assad Government is guilty of crimes against humanity. Human rights watch. A new report said the government, soldiers executed 250 men, women, and children in this twoday spree, and that was back in may. Not to mention the 100,000 or so that died overall. So confiscating chemical weapons, is that an adequate International Response . As you know, the the issue before congress was the chemical weapons. And the use of the limited directed force was about the chemical weapons. And i believe that the response that the United States is looking at is regarding the chemical weapons. And thats what the negotiations were about. I think the first thing we must address is the chemical weapons, which was the whole idea of the universal norm that had been violated by syria. Okay. But when you see reports in the wall street journal about elite syrian units moving around their chemical weapons stockpiles, how concerned are you that whatever is presented by the Assad Government will be truthfully representing what they have in total . Well, i think thats the whole issue behind secretary kerrys meeting as well as the foreign minister from russia and the agreement that was reached that in a week there will be an inventory and agreement as to the size of the weapons and we also know that u. N. Forces are supposed to be on the ground. Or inspectors on the ground no later than november and all the weapons turned over and potentially destroyed by mid2014. We can only assume that the intelligence that our secretary has is in line with what this agreement was struck. So at some point weve all called for a negotiated resolution. In calling for that negotiated resolution we have also got to admit that the negotiated resolution reflects the information that the secretary and therefore the United States is comfortable with. Of course the situation in syria has really taken away the focus from a fiscal crisis we have here at home. The house canceled a vote on the spending bill because it didnt cut funding to obama care. Will you get a deal in time . As you know, im in the house of representatives which is controlled. The majority is the republicans. And they control what comes to the house. We have faced this crisis time and time again. Thats why the people of this great country are always so disenchanted and feel that congress is so dysfunctional. We have managed to do it every time. And i believe that thepl come to their senses and that the something will be agreed to by the end of this month. Okay. What about the president , though . Do you think he would really follow through on his threat to veto any spending bill that cuts Health Care Funds even if it means a Government Shutdown . It is not only the president. It will have to get through the senate. Its not just the house. So i think the House Republicans are very well aware that it takes basically the two branches of government to agree and therefore knowing that the president will veto it they cant continue to push it because if they do, what will happen is they will cause the Government Shutdown as they have in the past. If there is a Government Shutdown, if fiscal deals are not reached, maam, how much do you think the weight of that will echo into the 2014 midterms . Oh, definitely. When people are now looking again at the budget, they raise issues regarding sequestration, the cuts, is the economy Getting Better. As you know, the most important part of the economy Getting Better is public confidence, as the deficit numbers, as you know, are going down. In other words, we may not have the deficit percentage of the gdp as we thought we were going to have. Yeah, the people are going to hold us accountable. It will go to 2014. If it becomes a situation where obama care has been found constitutional by the United States Supreme Court, people are going to start to ask, why are we Still Holding up this country and the budgets that are so necessary to run it over an issue that the Supreme Court has said, hey, its constitutional. Democratic congresswoman from hawaii, thank you very much for your time. Thank you, alex. Lets go now to your fast five headlines. 20 people have been arrested in mexico city as riot police broke up a fight of striking teachers. They defied a government order. The area was cleared to make way for Independence Day celebrations this weekend. Southern mexico, Tropical Storm ingrid triggered rescue efforts. Ingrid unleashed heavy rains and 60mileperhour winds on the region. It could become a hurricane by tomorrow or sunday. Rapper kanye west is facing charges with a runin from photographs back in may. Attempted grand theft when he grabbed a photographer and forced him to the ground. Four sororities have refused africanamericans from pledging. And a fiery crash on a highway near minneapolis. The driver of the other car was hospitalized. In this weeks office politics, my conversation with bestselling author and liberal firebrand joe conison talked about the value of a single president ial spies. And from his new offices in manhattan he talked about giving credit where credit is due on syria. Well, look, i think its clear that the fact that russia and syria have agreed to some kind of discussion of getting rid of their chemical weapons is absolutely a product of the president s threat to take military action. And i think he deserves whatever credit there is for the result of this process. He certainly deserves it. I dont think there would have been a process if not for that. Up until that point, im not sure they handled it that well. If you were going to decide you wanted to take military action, especially in the middle east now, after people are so weary of iraq, afghanistan, as the president knows very well, that you would have had to prepare the public for much more carefully and diligently than the white house did up until the moment that the president said this is a red line. Hes crossed it. That threat and subsequent restraint, do you think Public Opinion drove that . I think the president was determined to do something about this. I dont think the restraint was driven by Public Opinion. I think it was a strategic decision on his part that in order to try to mobilize both world and Public Opinion around this military action, if its necessary, he has to be seen to have taken every diplomatic step first. And his speech, did that satisfy that for you . I think it was he made that pretty clear. He said were going to try diplomacy because its better than war of any kind or a strike. Whatever you want to call it. But if that doesnt work, this problem is not going away. I think it would be surprising if a single speech was able to change the minds of whatever number it is, 60 , 80 , 90 who dont want to do anything about this now. I think it was a good first step. It was a good speech. It laid out the president s rationale. We have a moral and strategic interest here. America is different. And americans i think mostly do believe a that and want to believe it. As i wrote the other day, it requires a much Bigger Campaign than that. When george w. Bush and dick cheney wanted to invade iraq, they didnt think one day of false testimony on capitol hill. They spent two years almost campaigning before they actually went into iraq. This is a really cool spot. Tell me whats going on here. It looks like it is brandnew. This is the office of the National Memo. Eastern harbor media, which is the parent company. All the National Memo, daily newsletter and Website Activity happens in this office, except for things done by people in california, michigan and other places remotely. But really the staff is here. We just moved into this office about a month ago. This is our new digs, as you can probably tell as you look around. Were going to start a Health Letter and other products as they say in the business. Were in the newsletter business. The National Memo goes to about 800,000 people every day. Thats huge. It is pretty big. It is i think the biggest progressive newsletter in america right now. It is advertising based. But the newsletter business as a business is much broader than that. People get, as you know, all kinds of newsletters. So were interested in looking into other types of newsletters as well. More of our conversation today at 12 00 noon. 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And the river has gone below flood stage. It is running around 4 1 2 feet. Flood stage is 5 1 2 feet. It did peak friday morning at almost 8 feet, which is considered major flood stage for this river. That is why we did see major flooding in the boulder area. Three rivers still in major flood stage is. North fork, platte and avondale. It has picked up 75 of the years worth of rain in less than one weeks time. We have seen record breaking rainfall. Old record was five and a half inches of rain. So obviously we are well above that. And almost already approaching a years worth of rain with just two inches shy of the rainfall for the entire year. Any additional rain is going to cause an issue not just hear but areas west of boulder where we could see a 40 chance of heavier rain, especially later this afternoon and into tonight. That water trickles from the mountains and flows into the creeks that are swollen here. We are seeing the flood soaked ground not able to absorb any more rainfall. Sunday, we will see a better chance, 80 chance of seeing rain. And the rain itself is tropical in nature. Its coming in from the south. So its the heavier downpours that could end up with another several inches of rain before all is said and done by the time we get into monday. A quick apology. I said the Weather Channel. Youre nbcs meteorologist. Im sure the Weather Channel loves you too. Thanks very much, dylan. U. S. Gives syria a week to come clean on its chemical weapons. [ male announcer ] these days, a Small Business can save by sharing. Like carpools. Polly wants to know if we can pick her up. Yeah, we can make room. Yeah. [ male announcer ]. Office space. Yes, were loving this communal seating. Its great. [ male announcer ] the best thing to share . A data plan. At t mobile share for business. One bucket of data for everyone on the plan, unlimited talk and text on smart phones. Now, everyones in the spirit of sharing. Hey, can i borrow your boat this weekend . No. [ male announcer ] share more. Save more. At t mobile share for business. Heres a programming note. If you are confused by whats happening in washington this week, you like 1970s classic shows, you want to play with us. The fun with the quiz master starts in ten minutes. Even less. More on syrias chemical weapons. Secretary kerry announced they have reached a deal giving the Assad Government one week to provide a full list of its stock piles, u. N. Inspectors must be on the ground folater than november. Kimberly dozier, associated reporter with the associated press. You showed me this deal proposal. Good morning. Its really interesting. There are some Firm Deadlines which i dont know we expected to see, not so quickly. Within a week, syria has to explain everything it has to cough up its secrets and by november, have inspectors on the ground. So thats actually fairly quick. There are some teeth in this thing. There is some surprisingly Strong Language of next steps with syria doesnt comply. How about you, kimberly. For russia, they can say it doesnt include armed force. It includes economic sanctions as im reading the initial drafts out of geneva. The hard part is going to be to verify, if you talk to u. S. Military folks, they want people on the ground as well or at least trusted agents to make sure that russia is making syria show them where all the weapons are. In fact, you wrote this week the actual task of collecting and subsequently destroying the capital weapons that that is extremely difficult. Can you talk about the complications of that, what is the likelihood of it happening in total . Absolutely. There is there first little wrinkle the fact that you have a live war going on. We sent inspectors into the hostile situations. Never do you ask a team to go in where shooting is going on. You can give vague guarantees they will be safe. They can be caught up as pawns in this intense struggle. The other thing is we dont know if this is a lebiastyle enspecs or iraq where they hide things and they lay games. This could continue for months, potentially. Kimberly, have we heard from the rebels on the negotiations . Even if the government makes the go ahead, there are rebel groups openly hostile to the west. Rebel groups that intend to continue fighting with weapons the u. S. Has now provided to them. They have been on the record as saying they are against this dole, theyre against negotiating with the certain government. They think they are buying time to continue to advance against the rebels. Meanwhile, yes, weapons have reached the rebels, its still small arms. Some antitank weaponry. Its not the significant antiweaponry they want to defeat certain helicopters, for instance. Kimberly, i want to talk about that. You reported on this, you say when weapons reached the rebels, you reported its happened through the cia and also in a more round about way. Can you exmane that . Yeah, there is confusion among capitol hill, but the intelligence officials im speaking to say this has been going on for more than aen moth. The stores have been going, though, through third parties, so the u. S. Is arranging for them to be delivered. But they dont say from the usa or from the u. S. Deposit on the outside, then once the weapons are delivered to the rebels, usually outside the country, training camps, jordan or turkey, then cia officers and special operations officers train them in how to use some of this stuff. Statement the rebels den know exactly who theyre talking toment so thats the nature of a covert operation, you obscure it. You hide the origins so that u. S. Fingerprints arent all over the place. For beth of you as you rode this agreement coming out of geneva this morning, is there a real dead loin here . Is there a point 45 has been stated that if anything everything hasnt happened the way its being set out in this agreement between u. S. And russia, that bombings would start in the do you read that anywhere . Well, its ha ready to imagine russia agreeing to him boing. Because its still something that has to come up before the u. N. Security council. Russia made that clear they dont want this to happen. They appear to support deadlines and firm time tables and syria has to be forced to comply. Theyre the gain tore of this. That will be on the ground presumably to make the sure irsyria does what it says to do. That will be interesting to watch. Kimberly, yes or no, are you seeing a firm dead lean with him boing . No, im seeing months delay there good for the talk to you as always. Be sure to zwroen me for a twohour edition of the show at noon. We are up with steve kornacki. 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