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Plus a new gop theory on whats driving the president S Immigration policy. How satan is profiting from hobby lobby, why okcupid deliberately sent its members on bad dates and how republicans really feel about impeachment. Its all a scam started by democrats at the white house. All in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. In a summer of conflict and war exploding all across the world president obama was working the levers of diplomacy on multiple fronts today, some with more success than others. After american intelligence released what it says is evidence of russia not just arming the separatists in ukraine, not just providing the tools which the sep rah terrorists have been accused of shooting down Malaysia Flight 17 but actually firing artillery. European union which has been by far the most reluctant ones to put pressure on russia, theyve done just that. Passing their most severe sanctions today and president obama unveiled a corresponding set of sanctions by the u. S. Today is a reminder that the United States means what it says, and we will rally the International Community in standing up for the rights and freedom of people around the world. In other words, today russia is once again isolating itself from the International Community, setting back decades of genuine progress. And it doesnt have to come to this. It didnt have to come to this. The kremlin has yet to respond to the new rounds of u. S. eu sanctions but they have vowed to retaliate inside its borders. Shes been covering this story very closely. So the big question so far has been how to apply pressure to Vladimir Putin from the u. S. And europe when putin clearly has his own calculation of interest such that he seems willing to bear any kind of International Program or outrage because he cares that much about whos governing in his backyard. The question is this a gamechanger . I think it very well might be. You asked who could put pressure on Vladimir Putin, exactly like this. They would create splits and factions within the eu, to create, you know, like one party that was against sanctions while another was for it. Now all of those differences have fall on the the wayside after the crash of the jetliner. And frankly these are tough sanctions from the u. S. And even eu. Even companies who arent sanctioned, nobody from the west is doing business with them just because they dont know whos next on the list. So, you know, putin talks tough, that hes willing to talk any amount of economic pain for gain, thats not true. Once they start doing it even more, well see just how much he blusters. Theres also southward measures to indicate that its having an economic effect in terms of the russian stockmarket. Jack lew at treasury was talking to a reporter today was talk about some of things theyll be looking at. Is there any evidence to suggest fracturing inside russia around putins strategy as this economic round of coercive diplomacy starts to hit peoples pocketbooks . I think there might be some pressure from businesses and oligarchs. Theyve been so heeled and trained lap dogs since 2003 that i think the pressure is not going to come from there. You have to remember when putin came to power in 2000, the average wage in russia was 50. Its 1,000 now. Wow. This is a key this is a key part is the cornerstone of his legitimacy. Not just his rule but legitimacy. The tacit social judgment of the government. That hell make their lives and conditions in the country better for them. Thats why they can leave politics to him. If that starts to crumble, which it very well might under these you know, under these sanctions, some of the banks that the u. S. Sanctioned today are really major banks that have a lot of, you know, average people depositing their paychecks in there. You know, theyre massive, massive banks. The u. S. Officials said today theyve already sanctioned five out of six major state owned russian banks. Thats huge. Once it affects the average russian, economic unrest is not something putin does very well. Thats interesting. He fears that more than political unrest. It would cause right. The problem is it could cause political unrest. Finally is there a way to get off the crash course, the president reiterating were not in a new cold war. The way all this has gone basically since kiev and the uprising there and all that flowed after it is a kind of ratcheting up of it. Are we at the point where things are just building toward each other, is there . U. S. Officials are saying that theyre the whole time. It calls for decentralizing ukraine, protecting russian speakers, closer relationship with russia, but, you know, so far but so far putin has been willing to get the offramp. Theyre saying its serious and having an impact. Well see if that pushes him back to the negotiating table. Julia ioffe from the new republic. Thank you. A truly astounding Baffling Development between the u. S. And one of its closest allies on what was the Bloodiest Day in the threeweek conflict with gaza. Israel pounding, leaving 128 palestinians dead and 128 million gaza residents without power or water after the main power station was struck. Its put a severe strain in u. S. israel relations particular li over the last few day, the white house publicly calling for a ceasefire. Israel asserting theyll continue until they get their request. And hammering john kerry about bringing a ceasefire between israel and hamas. You do not negotiate with the hamas or beg with the hamas. What secretary kerrie did with israel is a mistake. You put israel and hamas on the same level. Secretary kerry proposed an insult for us. Todays Israel Channel 1 aired what they did was a transcript of a private call between president obama and Benjamin Netanyahu, a reportedly tense conversation. Its a leak that if real would represent a gross violation of diplomatic protocol, but a quick glance of the transcript suggests that the whole thing is completely bogus. It reads like a robot talk. President obama i demand Benjamin Netanyahu and what will israel receive in exchange for a ceasefire . Hamas broke all previous ceasefires, its a terrorist organization. I repeat and expect israel to stop all its military activities unilaterally. The white house and the Prime Ministers Office issued strong denials, both sending out a series of two tweets within minutes of each other that use the exact same language verbatim, identical. Weve seen the language, neither reports or alleged tran script bears any resemblance to reality. Part of whats driving the Israeli Governments position net rah huh saying last night, quote, this could be a Long Campaign is the Public Opinion right now. 86. 5 opposing a ceasefire in a recent poll and this video purportedly released by hamas is whats driving the support for war. Youre seeing militants from gaza entering from tunnels into israel where last night five Israeli Soldiers were killed. The hamas military commander appearing on tv today saying there will be no ceasefire without lifting the siege on gaza thats been in place for years. Daniel levy was in negotiations for years and the lead israeli drafter of the geneva initiative. Hes now director of Foreign Relations and he told us this evening what he thinks about the current pack and forth between gaza and israel. You know, chris, i wish i had a better answer for you than to say that really in the Israeli Press and in senior israeli official circles to the extent to which it has been open season on the Obama Administration since day one, this is just become an unfettered, unprecedented, i think, onslaught against secretary kerry and against the president. Its unfortunately part of a broader phenomenon where the israeli media has abandoned the sense of doing its job responsibly. In some areas theres been notable exceptions but its rare. They even been a mouthpiece for the government. The Israeli Government, sadly, has grown used to a reality where it can drag the American Administration through the mud, it can hurl any insult at the administration either anonymously or sometimes named. The defense minister did it in person not anonymously, and theres no consequence for that because of the bizarre way your politics plays out and its unhealthy. It also means, by the way, when israel complains why isnt america more effective, one of the reasons is its allies who does everything to bathe up treats it that way. We also have a real substantive gap between the position of the white house and the position of the netanyahu government. The white house wants a ceasefire as soon as possible, is working through secretary kerry to get it. The netanyahu government has basically said we have certain objections we want to see happen, the destruction of tunnels, demilitarization of hamas and gaza, those are the conditions, and let us finish the job, more or less. Well, except heres the disconnect, chris. The Israeli Government said it wanted a ceasefire and it has accepted a proposal. I think secretary kerry understood his marching orders, if you like, from the Prime Minister for a ceasefire. The thing that wasnt apparently accounted for is if you want a ceasefire, you need both sides to agree, and the thing that the original egyptian plan hadnt done was to get hamas buy in. Actually i think secretary kerry did the right thing. He said, okay, who can guarantee hamas buy in. Right, lets work with the turks, work with the qataries, lets get hamas to say yes and think we were almost there. There are internal divisions inside hamas also. I think the israeli Prime Minister then shifted the goalpost. The problem for the israel Prime Minister is that he has three choices. If he wants a ceasefire, which is the first choice, you need both sides. The second choice is he could unilaterally declare an end to this, which is what might happen, but that is much more risky, far less guaranteed than an agreed ceasefire. The third option he said he doesnt want which is to be sucked in to a long and perhaps very long operation and israeli presence in gaza. Remember, Israeli Occupied gaza fully, not what we have now, for over 40 years. So i think israel has undermined the ceasefire effort unfortunately and what we see is a terrible reality where, of course, the israelis face rocket fire and have had a lot of military losses, but theres a 300 1 ratio when it comes to losses in terms of it. Theres been virtually no israeli civilian casualties. Im not saying we should want israelis to perish, of course, not, but at the same time we cannot want or accept the kind of destruction thats going thereon and it has to be brought to an end. Daniel levy, European Council on formal relations, former negotiator in peace talks. Thank you so much. Thank you, chris. Well be right back. And a choice. Take 6 tylenol in a day or just 2 aleve for all day relief. Onward hey, i heard you guys can help me with frog protection . Sure, we help with fraud protection. If there are unauthorized purchases on your discover card, youre never held responsible. You are saying frog protection . Fraud. Frog. Fraud. I think were on the same page. At discover, we treat you like youd treat you. Fraud protection. Get it at discover. Com in the nation, the safest feature in your car is you. Add vanishing deductible from nationwide insurance and get 100 off for every year of safe driving. Which for you, shouldnt be a problem. Just another way we put members first, because we dont have shareholders. Join the nation. Nationwide is on your side. The president isnt getting what he wants in immigrations and some are still not getting at all. Ill explain next. U fix it, dad . Yeah, i can fix that. dad i wanted a car that could handle anything. I fixed it dad thats why i got a subaru legacy. vo symmetrical allwheel drive plus 36 mpg. I gotta break more toys. vo introducing the allnew subaru legacy. Its not just a sedan. Its a subaru. Lets show em what a breakfast with whole grain fiber can do. One coffee with room, one large mocha latte, medium macchiato, a light hot chocolate hold the whip, two espressos. Make one a double. Shes full and focused. [ barista ] i have two cappuccinos, one coffee with room, one large mocha latte, a medium macchiato, a light hot chocolate hold the whip, and two espressos one with a double shot. Heh, heh. Thats not the coffee talkin. [ female announcer ] start your day with kelloggs frosted mini wheats cereal. With whole wheat goodness on one side and a hint of sweetness on the other, its a delicious way to get the nutrition you want. The house moved forward with a supplemental bill to be voted on thursday, money to try to deal with the humanitarian crisis at the border. Its a fraction of the 3. 76 that president obama asked for and it would change a 2008 law to make it easier to deport unaccompanied minors, a provision Many Democrats including notably Hillary Clinton has said they do not support and yet, and yet it still wont get the votes of certain House Republicans like congressman mel brooks of alabama who might have said president obama is secretly investigating toddlers who show up on the border. But the president does not want to fix the problem. The president supports the surges in illegal alien children and other illegal aliens because he sees this as a Voter Registration drive. Meanwhile senator harry reid says he isnt opening to the reform. The bill passed to the house bill and hash out a compromise. Well, if they pass that, maybe its an opening for us to have a conference on Immigration Reform. Theyre finally sends us something on immigration. Maybe we can do that. Speaker boehners office immediately shut down that idea saying in a statement in part let me be as clear as i can be with senator reid, the house will not take up the Senate Immigration reform bill or accept it back from the senate in any fashion, nor will we accept any attempt to add any other comprehensive Immigration Reform bill or anything like it, including the d. R. E. A. M. Act, to the houses targeted legislation. Weve now reached the point where the president s 2012 legislation known as deferred action of daca. The current chaos of an unaccompanied minor and comprehensive Immigration Reform have all merged together in a political discussion in washington and this comes as the president moves ever closer to further executive action on Immigration Reform. Ap reporting the Administration May act before the midterm elections to grant work permits to potentially millions of immigrants who are in this country illegally, allowing them to stay in the u. S. Without threat of deportation. And if you think the gops angry now, just wait until that happens. Joining me now congressman luis gutierrez. Congressman, i want to talk about executive action in a moment. First the backandforth in terms of what the house and senate are passing, particularly this changing of the 2008 protection of unaccompanied minors. Are democrats going to go along with that . I believe not, chris. I have suggested to the democratic leadership and to the members of our democratic caucus, if the republican majority in the house wants to pass this, they should pass it with their own votes. If they have 218 votes, chris, theres not much we can do. But democrats should have a democratic position. A position based on our values. And we should never undermine a bridge, undercut the rights of children. If there is one thing we should agree as democrats, actually as the congress of the United States is we should not do that to the children. They should have their day in court. So heres what i believe. Youll see very, very few if any democrats voting for the proposal, and i believe that as of today the majority doesnt have the votes. I believe they have said to the republicans once again, we have a national problem, i asked for your help, and theyve given us a political blueprint that they thing is just going to get more votes. Their response is political. We want to solve the national crisis. Were all seeing at the same time i think its remarkable of the trajectory issue as every day passes, were seeing this now. Ted cruz and other Senate Conservatives urging rejection of the house Border Security package which is the right most flank in this debate at the moment because it excludes language that would prohibit expansion of president Barack Obamas deferred action policies. Theyre basically saying submarine this thing unless you can block any further executive action. What do you think about that . Well, here. Lets put it this way. The president of the United States said you guys want to do it piecemeal, im good. Lets do it that way. You dont want the senate bill, lets draft a bill in the hughes. You dont want a conference, okay, lets draft a better bill than the one in the senate. I mean in each and every instance the president said yes to them but they dont know how to take yes for an answer. This is a do nothing congress. They cannot get over doing nothing when the president suggests to them that hes ready to sit down and work it out with them. So i met with the president two weeks ago, met with jeh johnson, member of the Homeland Security for breakfast last friday. Look, chris. There is absolutely no doubt that the president of the S Immigration<\/a> policy. How satan is profiting from hobby lobby, why okcupid deliberately sent its members on bad dates and how republicans really feel about impeachment. Its all a scam started by democrats at the white house. All in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. In a summer of conflict and war exploding all across the world president obama was working the levers of diplomacy on multiple fronts today, some with more success than others. After american intelligence released what it says is evidence of russia not just arming the separatists in ukraine, not just providing the tools which the sep rah terrorists have been accused of shooting down Malaysia Flight<\/a> 17 but actually firing artillery. European union which has been by far the most reluctant ones to put pressure on russia, theyve done just that. Passing their most severe sanctions today and president obama unveiled a corresponding set of sanctions by the u. S. Today is a reminder that the United States<\/a> means what it says, and we will rally the International Community<\/a> in standing up for the rights and freedom of people around the world. In other words, today russia is once again isolating itself from the International Community<\/a>, setting back decades of genuine progress. And it doesnt have to come to this. It didnt have to come to this. The kremlin has yet to respond to the new rounds of u. S. eu sanctions but they have vowed to retaliate inside its borders. Shes been covering this story very closely. So the big question so far has been how to apply pressure to Vladimir Putin<\/a> from the u. S. And europe when putin clearly has his own calculation of interest such that he seems willing to bear any kind of International Program<\/a> or outrage because he cares that much about whos governing in his backyard. The question is this a gamechanger . I think it very well might be. You asked who could put pressure on Vladimir Putin<\/a>, exactly like this. They would create splits and factions within the eu, to create, you know, like one party that was against sanctions while another was for it. Now all of those differences have fall on the the wayside after the crash of the jetliner. And frankly these are tough sanctions from the u. S. And even eu. Even companies who arent sanctioned, nobody from the west is doing business with them just because they dont know whos next on the list. So, you know, putin talks tough, that hes willing to talk any amount of economic pain for gain, thats not true. Once they start doing it even more, well see just how much he blusters. Theres also southward measures to indicate that its having an economic effect in terms of the russian stockmarket. Jack lew at treasury was talking to a reporter today was talk about some of things theyll be looking at. Is there any evidence to suggest fracturing inside russia around putins strategy as this economic round of coercive diplomacy starts to hit peoples pocketbooks . I think there might be some pressure from businesses and oligarchs. Theyve been so heeled and trained lap dogs since 2003 that i think the pressure is not going to come from there. You have to remember when putin came to power in 2000, the average wage in russia was 50. Its 1,000 now. Wow. This is a key this is a key part is the cornerstone of his legitimacy. Not just his rule but legitimacy. The tacit social judgment of the government. That hell make their lives and conditions in the country better for them. Thats why they can leave politics to him. If that starts to crumble, which it very well might under these you know, under these sanctions, some of the banks that the u. S. Sanctioned today are really major banks that have a lot of, you know, average people depositing their paychecks in there. You know, theyre massive, massive banks. The u. S. Officials said today theyve already sanctioned five out of six major state owned russian banks. Thats huge. Once it affects the average russian, economic unrest is not something putin does very well. Thats interesting. He fears that more than political unrest. It would cause right. The problem is it could cause political unrest. Finally is there a way to get off the crash course, the president reiterating were not in a new cold war. The way all this has gone basically since kiev and the uprising there and all that flowed after it is a kind of ratcheting up of it. Are we at the point where things are just building toward each other, is there . U. S. Officials are saying that theyre the whole time. It calls for decentralizing ukraine, protecting russian speakers, closer relationship with russia, but, you know, so far but so far putin has been willing to get the offramp. Theyre saying its serious and having an impact. Well see if that pushes him back to the negotiating table. Julia ioffe from the new republic. Thank you. A truly astounding Baffling Development<\/a> between the u. S. And one of its closest allies on what was the Bloodiest Day<\/a> in the threeweek conflict with gaza. Israel pounding, leaving 128 palestinians dead and 128 million gaza residents without power or water after the main power station was struck. Its put a severe strain in u. S. israel relations particular li over the last few day, the white house publicly calling for a ceasefire. Israel asserting theyll continue until they get their request. And hammering john kerry about bringing a ceasefire between israel and hamas. You do not negotiate with the hamas or beg with the hamas. What secretary kerrie did with israel is a mistake. You put israel and hamas on the same level. Secretary kerry proposed an insult for us. Todays Israel Channel<\/a> 1 aired what they did was a transcript of a private call between president obama and Benjamin Netanyahu<\/a>, a reportedly tense conversation. Its a leak that if real would represent a gross violation of diplomatic protocol, but a quick glance of the transcript suggests that the whole thing is completely bogus. It reads like a robot talk. President obama i demand Benjamin Netanyahu<\/a> and what will israel receive in exchange for a ceasefire . Hamas broke all previous ceasefires, its a terrorist organization. I repeat and expect israel to stop all its military activities unilaterally. The white house and the Prime Ministers Office<\/a> issued strong denials, both sending out a series of two tweets within minutes of each other that use the exact same language verbatim, identical. Weve seen the language, neither reports or alleged tran script bears any resemblance to reality. Part of whats driving the Israeli Government<\/a>s position net rah huh saying last night, quote, this could be a Long Campaign<\/a> is the Public Opinion<\/a> right now. 86. 5 opposing a ceasefire in a recent poll and this video purportedly released by hamas is whats driving the support for war. Youre seeing militants from gaza entering from tunnels into israel where last night five Israeli Soldiers<\/a> were killed. The hamas military commander appearing on tv today saying there will be no ceasefire without lifting the siege on gaza thats been in place for years. Daniel levy was in negotiations for years and the lead israeli drafter of the geneva initiative. Hes now director of Foreign Relations<\/a> and he told us this evening what he thinks about the current pack and forth between gaza and israel. You know, chris, i wish i had a better answer for you than to say that really in the Israeli Press<\/a> and in senior israeli official circles to the extent to which it has been open season on the Obama Administration<\/a> since day one, this is just become an unfettered, unprecedented, i think, onslaught against secretary kerry and against the president. Its unfortunately part of a broader phenomenon where the israeli media has abandoned the sense of doing its job responsibly. In some areas theres been notable exceptions but its rare. They even been a mouthpiece for the government. The Israeli Government<\/a>, sadly, has grown used to a reality where it can drag the American Administration<\/a> through the mud, it can hurl any insult at the administration either anonymously or sometimes named. The defense minister did it in person not anonymously, and theres no consequence for that because of the bizarre way your politics plays out and its unhealthy. It also means, by the way, when israel complains why isnt america more effective, one of the reasons is its allies who does everything to bathe up treats it that way. We also have a real substantive gap between the position of the white house and the position of the netanyahu government. The white house wants a ceasefire as soon as possible, is working through secretary kerry to get it. The netanyahu government has basically said we have certain objections we want to see happen, the destruction of tunnels, demilitarization of hamas and gaza, those are the conditions, and let us finish the job, more or less. Well, except heres the disconnect, chris. The Israeli Government<\/a> said it wanted a ceasefire and it has accepted a proposal. I think secretary kerry understood his marching orders, if you like, from the Prime Minister<\/a> for a ceasefire. The thing that wasnt apparently accounted for is if you want a ceasefire, you need both sides to agree, and the thing that the original egyptian plan hadnt done was to get hamas buy in. Actually i think secretary kerry did the right thing. He said, okay, who can guarantee hamas buy in. Right, lets work with the turks, work with the qataries, lets get hamas to say yes and think we were almost there. There are internal divisions inside hamas also. I think the israeli Prime Minister<\/a> then shifted the goalpost. The problem for the israel Prime Minister<\/a> is that he has three choices. If he wants a ceasefire, which is the first choice, you need both sides. The second choice is he could unilaterally declare an end to this, which is what might happen, but that is much more risky, far less guaranteed than an agreed ceasefire. The third option he said he doesnt want which is to be sucked in to a long and perhaps very long operation and israeli presence in gaza. Remember, Israeli Occupied<\/a> gaza fully, not what we have now, for over 40 years. So i think israel has undermined the ceasefire effort unfortunately and what we see is a terrible reality where, of course, the israelis face rocket fire and have had a lot of military losses, but theres a 300 1 ratio when it comes to losses in terms of it. Theres been virtually no israeli civilian casualties. Im not saying we should want israelis to perish, of course, not, but at the same time we cannot want or accept the kind of destruction thats going thereon and it has to be brought to an end. Daniel levy, European Council<\/a> on formal relations, former negotiator in peace talks. Thank you so much. Thank you, chris. Well be right back. And a choice. Take 6 tylenol in a day or just 2 aleve for all day relief. Onward hey, i heard you guys can help me with frog protection . Sure, we help with fraud protection. If there are unauthorized purchases on your discover card, youre never held responsible. You are saying frog protection . Fraud. Frog. Fraud. I think were on the same page. At discover, we treat you like youd treat you. Fraud protection. Get it at discover. Com in the nation, the safest feature in your car is you. Add vanishing deductible from nationwide insurance and get 100 off for every year of safe driving. Which for you, shouldnt be a problem. Just another way we put members first, because we dont have shareholders. Join the nation. Nationwide is on your side. The president isnt getting what he wants in immigrations and some are still not getting at all. Ill explain next. U fix it, dad . Yeah, i can fix that. dad i wanted a car that could handle anything. I fixed it dad thats why i got a subaru legacy. vo symmetrical allwheel drive plus 36 mpg. I gotta break more toys. vo introducing the allnew subaru legacy. Its not just a sedan. Its a subaru. Lets show em what a breakfast with whole grain fiber can do. One coffee with room, one large mocha latte, medium macchiato, a light hot chocolate hold the whip, two espressos. Make one a double. Shes full and focused. [ barista ] i have two cappuccinos, one coffee with room, one large mocha latte, a medium macchiato, a light hot chocolate hold the whip, and two espressos one with a double shot. Heh, heh. Thats not the coffee talkin. [ female announcer ] start your day with kelloggs frosted mini wheats cereal. With whole wheat goodness on one side and a hint of sweetness on the other, its a delicious way to get the nutrition you want. The house moved forward with a supplemental bill to be voted on thursday, money to try to deal with the humanitarian crisis at the border. Its a fraction of the 3. 76 that president obama asked for and it would change a 2008 law to make it easier to deport unaccompanied minors, a provision Many Democrats<\/a> including notably Hillary Clinton<\/a> has said they do not support and yet, and yet it still wont get the votes of certain House Republicans<\/a> like congressman mel brooks of alabama who might have said president obama is secretly investigating toddlers who show up on the border. But the president does not want to fix the problem. The president supports the surges in illegal alien children and other illegal aliens because he sees this as a Voter Registration<\/a> drive. Meanwhile senator harry reid says he isnt opening to the reform. The bill passed to the house bill and hash out a compromise. Well, if they pass that, maybe its an opening for us to have a conference on Immigration Reform<\/a>. Theyre finally sends us something on immigration. Maybe we can do that. Speaker boehners office immediately shut down that idea saying in a statement in part let me be as clear as i can be with senator reid, the house will not take up the Senate Immigration<\/a> reform bill or accept it back from the senate in any fashion, nor will we accept any attempt to add any other comprehensive Immigration Reform<\/a> bill or anything like it, including the d. R. E. A. M. Act, to the houses targeted legislation. Weve now reached the point where the president s 2012 legislation known as deferred action of daca. The current chaos of an unaccompanied minor and comprehensive Immigration Reform<\/a> have all merged together in a political discussion in washington and this comes as the president moves ever closer to further executive action on Immigration Reform<\/a>. Ap reporting the Administration May<\/a> act before the midterm elections to grant work permits to potentially millions of immigrants who are in this country illegally, allowing them to stay in the u. S. Without threat of deportation. And if you think the gops angry now, just wait until that happens. Joining me now congressman luis gutierrez. Congressman, i want to talk about executive action in a moment. First the backandforth in terms of what the house and senate are passing, particularly this changing of the 2008 protection of unaccompanied minors. Are democrats going to go along with that . I believe not, chris. I have suggested to the democratic leadership and to the members of our democratic caucus, if the republican majority in the house wants to pass this, they should pass it with their own votes. If they have 218 votes, chris, theres not much we can do. But democrats should have a democratic position. A position based on our values. And we should never undermine a bridge, undercut the rights of children. If there is one thing we should agree as democrats, actually as the congress of the United States<\/a> is we should not do that to the children. They should have their day in court. So heres what i believe. Youll see very, very few if any democrats voting for the proposal, and i believe that as of today the majority doesnt have the votes. I believe they have said to the republicans once again, we have a national problem, i asked for your help, and theyve given us a political blueprint that they thing is just going to get more votes. Their response is political. We want to solve the national crisis. Were all seeing at the same time i think its remarkable of the trajectory issue as every day passes, were seeing this now. Ted cruz and other Senate Conservatives<\/a> urging rejection of the house Border Security<\/a> package which is the right most flank in this debate at the moment because it excludes language that would prohibit expansion of president Barack Obamas<\/a> deferred action policies. Theyre basically saying submarine this thing unless you can block any further executive action. What do you think about that . Well, here. Lets put it this way. The president of the United States<\/a> said you guys want to do it piecemeal, im good. Lets do it that way. You dont want the senate bill, lets draft a bill in the hughes. You dont want a conference, okay, lets draft a better bill than the one in the senate. I mean in each and every instance the president said yes to them but they dont know how to take yes for an answer. This is a do nothing congress. They cannot get over doing nothing when the president suggests to them that hes ready to sit down and work it out with them. So i met with the president two weeks ago, met with jeh johnson, member of the Homeland Security<\/a> for breakfast last friday. Look, chris. There is absolutely no doubt that the president of the United States<\/a> has a responsibility to help those affected by the broken immigration system and i have no doubt that hes going to act in a meaningful broad wide generous manner. Okay. If he does something along the contours of whats been suggested in terms of work permits or some kind of quazi status for folks that takes them out of the shadows of fear of deportation, republicans are going go nuclear. Theyre going to lose their minds given everything thats happened in the last several months. Look. I dont want to say the president said this but heres my understanding from having met him and talking to others. I believe that millions upon millions of undocumented workers who have roots in the community, who have american citizen children, who have established businesses, who would benefit from the senate bill, who would benefit from the senate bill and the president s going to act. Wow. And if the debate going into 2016 is first it was repeal obama carry and now its repeal the president s electoral order, thats the fight i want to have. Millions and millions. Thats the word. Ive got to tell you. I believe the president of the United States<\/a> is going to act broadly and generously. Thats my belief. He didnt say that to me but thats what i believe hes going to do. Congressman luis gutierrez, thank you. Thank you, chris. One of the best trawling measures ive seen in a long time. Ill tell you. Thats ahead. Machines will be sprayed to be made. And making something stronger. Will mean making it lighter. One day, factories will work with the cloud. One day. Is today. 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Its all a scam started by democrats at the white house. All right. The impeachment wars are getting weirder and weirder. You cant tell whos for it or against it or against the over people saying theyre for it. Very through the Looking Glass<\/a> right now. House Speaker Boehner<\/a> was responding to democrats floating the idea that republicans want impeachment but as white house spokesman dan pfeiffer pointed out on twitter boehner made similar denials regarding the government shutdown. There should be made no comments regarding a government shutdown. Thats not the goal here. We all know what happened then. In response, they took to tweeting out calling for impeachment to remind us this did not materialize out of thin air. South dakota gop calling for it. Senator Lindsey Graham<\/a> to congressman steve king and the list goes on and on. Of course, i totally get why republicans think this is all a cynical ploy by democrats considering they just had their biggest fundraising haul this election cycle and sends out fundraising emails like this one. Sarah palin got things rolling. Monday she went on a show to defend the idea. Listen to her explaining the reverse psychology. I absolutely passionately believe it is possible. First, i believe liberals want us to believe that they love hearing this talk of impeachment because theyre going to be able to turn it around for their reelection bids. Its kind of a reverse psychology thing, that theyre playing on us and some people are buying into it. Thats why im going to be even more adamant about explaining why we should impeach. Sounds so familiar. Where have i heard this before . Its so simple. All i have to do is define what i know of you. Are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his own enemies . 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They strive to make all decisions based on the best Scientific Understanding<\/a> of the world regardless of the religious or political beliefs of the others. You will find the violations in many of the 35 states with socalled informed consent rules on the laws. These are women seeking to get information thats medically disproven or by research. The satanists have provided an optout form women are encouraged to print and take with them to the doctor. Thats when they say they will fire a lawsuit. So is this a well played joke or could we say the satanist case before the court. She joins me now. Is there something to this . I mean obviously no lawsuit has been filed yet. Have to find a plaintiff who finds the injury then they file a lawsuit. Could you actually would this have legs . It is an act of epic trawling that is brilliant because one of the things the Supreme Court<\/a> said in its hobby lobby decision, we cant question their beliefs. If they say it violates their beliefs, so be it, whether its scientific or documented, it doesnt matter. Once you open up that door, you open up the door to all kinds of religious claims. One thing we should note, right . The hobby lobby decision stipulates and has never been held that its sincere. Thats part of the test, right . Thats true but they have been reluctant to get into the sincerity part for reasons. In most cases if you say its my religion, then thats okay. In prisoner cases they sometimes question the sincerity, but, you know, if the court has said there are these kinds of religious exemptions, why not here. There is a perfect federal law they can go for. They impact low income women every year unless they allow the state medicaid funds to fund their abortion theyre out of luck. They heard a free exercise action in 1980. They didnt listen to it. But that was before we had rifra. So this has been contested by the court before. They didnt actually take the case or they didnt agree with the plaintiffs that they violated it . They took the case. It was one of several claims. This is harris versus mcrae, 1980. They said theyre not going to consider the free exercise claim. The women had. Shone it violated their religious beliefs. If a woman, say she was a reformed jew, a Unitarian Universalist<\/a> that her religious dictates were that she planned her family, charted her destiny and the state is putting impermissible burdens in the way of that, that she should be exempt from that law, why would the court say its okay for hobby lobby to be exempt from that law but not that woman . They dont have the kind of value, neutral view of that. Scalia writes, no, you cant smoke p. O. D. Aztecs talk about human sacrifice . Thats not christianity. What it gets to is are you guys really serious about being on the same religious Playing Field<\/a> . If theyre not serious, thats a violation of the clause. 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The experiment people were upset about, they tossed their own socalled algorithm that helped them determine their matching ability. It decides who should go on a date. The ability to take a real world phenomena is the most important skill anyone can have these days. Like you use sentencing to tell a story to a person you use ail ga rhythms to tell stories to a computer. When people join they tell them who else on the site would be a good answer to them based on a bunch of answers, do you believe in god, do you like to be the center of attention. If you have a 90 match with someone, that would be a good match. They want to know if there ail algorithm was good or if it was because of the compatibility. They went out of their way. Took 30 of them and told them they were good matches, 90 matches and they learned that actually meaning a good match matter add lot less than you might think. Quote, if you have to choose only one or the other the mere myth of it works as well as the truth. Heres the cofounder talking to buzzfeed. They go on different dates, discover different people, marry somebody different. This comes after we learned last month facebook was experiencing on manipulating with peoples emotions. In the era of the omnidirectional internet we exposed the most vulnerable parts of ourselves to a host of faceless corporations all the time. Articles we cook on, who we date. They know we what we want more than what we want. Joining me now is deanna zangt and nancy giles. What you do think . I think people expect to be experimented on or things happen to them. Okcupid is often shows the reinforcement of social eight belles and all kinds of interesting stuff so i think theres more of an expectation than okcupid that said, its not the greatest thing to just tell people after the fact or to not make it clear up front that this, by the way, may happen you do. This comes back to what we talked about earlier. Informed consent. Yeah. And the internet bill of rights, that we need to adopt some sort of standards. I like to say, my first thought i thought his point about experimentation was a good one and we do experiment. And i thought we have a lawyerly liability like something happened like an assault . Maybe this explaining some of the harassment that women experience so deeply on dating sites. Okay. Im on okcupid im putting it out there im on it. Its an odd phenomenon. One of the things that drew me to it was the statistics, i was fascinated by the idea of weve kind of done this work and if you fill out enough questions we have more to go on. We think this person has a 90 capability of being a match. The other i love is the enemies statistic. 90 match or 90 enemy. They tell you who your enemies are. They tell you to run screaming. Thats what they were talking about. Taking enemies and putting them with people. Can you imagine im having dinner with a white supremacist and sparks fly . Thats a good rom com. Heres the question for you, right . As a consumer do you feel betrayed . Ive been feeling a little funky about it before any of the information that came out because another thing that happens is they have this category called instant matches and a lot of people have been showing up on mine and comes back and says you like each other and i go, i didnt like him. I dont know him. Ive been thinking ive been doing something wrong. So now knowing that theyre sort of fooling with stuff. Its all a crapshoot anyway you look at it. Im not that upset. Heres one distinction. I think the facebook experiment got a lot more blowback than this is getting. Yes. One of the distinctions here is the end goal of this. The facebook experiment was about maximizing advertising views and so theyre running the experiment on their users for the benefit of their advertisers. Right. In this case, okcupid is running it for the benefit of their users. Theyre trying to make their algorithm better for those who use the site. Its more surer footing than the facebook experiment. Thats crazy. Thats slightly higher coercing with jesuit position. Well done. At least its not done with advertising dollars that theyre screwing with, just peoples lives. There are real live dates happening here as opposed to just a news feed, right . It was really interesting, too, how they measured what they considered successful interactions and its Something Like<\/a> if you traded more than four messages with someone they consider that a certain level of interaction that is more interesting. Right. When i went around and asked people, i used to be on okcupid but it didnt work. Thats just me. Still sing oh, were running the dating block on the show. So when i ask people about this, similarly people were like, well, so, i meet more people. One of my friends flat out confessed, im a huge data nerd and youre messing with my data. Okay. Sure. Maybe ill meet different people. Theres something about the whole approach by okcupid that has made this kind of interesting. Yes. Because they at least took the time to ask you these questions and tried to find a match. The numbers thing is really fascinating. I like it. What i find fascinating is the idea that youre taking a experience and reducing it to it which is everyone operating, thank you both. Thank you. When a Company Knows<\/a> your daughters pregnant before you do. Next. In the nation, the safest feature in your car is you. Add vanishing deductible from nationwide insurance and get 100 off for every year of safe driving. Which for you, shouldnt be a problem. Just another way we put members first, because we dont have shareholders. Join the nation. Nationwide is on your side. If you dont think feed the then you dont know aarp. Our drive to end hunger has donated 29 million meals, and counting. Find more real possibilities at aarp. Org possibilities. 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They tend to buy a bunch of vitamins at the second point, a lot of wash cloths and cotton balls in the third trimester. By looking at their Shopping Patterns<\/a> they could figure out about a million women they guessed were pregnant. Again, its like okcupid . Theyve got an algorithm. Thats exactly right. We live in an age where we can tell all this data because of the internet and credit cards and loyalty programs. Heres my big thing about this. And your book is fantastic by the way. Thank. You tell a lot of interesting things. Me question is whether were Autonomous Agents<\/a> with domain over what we do. Im serious. Heres what we do. My bank has an algorithm and that alerts them whether theres credit card fraud. Im going through life making all kinds of purchases. None of it alerts the bank because the bank knows what im going to buy. Isnt that creepy . Doesnt that eat at something profound about who we are . The bank might know you better than you know yourself. They absolutely do because i never tripwire and when someone hacks and buys 200 worth of groceries where i dont live, boom. You can do things to trick the bank. Could you . You could. That is the question. You could. Believe you have the skills to do that. Heres the thing. Theres this tradeoff between convenience and data, right . The reason why its so great to use a loyalty card or credit card or to be okay to go on okcupid its really convenient. It used to be if you wanted to have a onenight stand, you would go to bar. Now you go online and press a couple of buttons. You can do it on your phone. Absolutely. Its amazing. What happens is the more convenient it becomes, its data. You trade to Companies Information<\/a> about yourself that they use to predict your habits. But there has to be some kind of i think the way we think about how these relationships work is theres a tradeoff between these two things, something we want for a cost, some kind of guiding architecture that isnt just anything goes, right . You can do whatever you want with my data because ive signed some terms of Service Agreement<\/a> that i havent red. Exactly. And in europe there are much stronger regulations around and the u. S. Is considering these. We saw it in the facebook thing. The ftc is looking into it. How much do people care . The 24yearolds who are on okcupid they probably dont care. As you get older, have kids, talk about Insurance Companies<\/a> conducting tests on us to try to figure out what Health Problems<\/a> they have before us insure us, then it becomes more serious and were maturing as a community, a country and a world in conversations about this. We also there is also the other part of this. As the data gets collected and if you can accurately find out something valuable about that person, that becomes a commodity that you do sell. If you know if you can tell that someone is ready for an early death you can sell that data to insurers. Absolutely. Theres something that strikes us that is intuitively preverse about that. Think about when you sign up for life insurance, do you smoke. Theyre trying to figure out if youre going to die sooner or later. Thats a transparency action. The thing here is you have interactions but youre exchanging data and then you have interactions with all these companies where it opportunity feel like you are because youre not tracking yourself the way they are. Thats absolutely right. The thing they have to wreck night is that every company is doing this. Okcupid might be a little more honest about this. Everybody is tracking everything they can. Okcupid says if you do that, youre absolutely. It makes the internet better for us. It makes us better at getting what we want. Its a maturation. This is happening. People are becoming more and more aware of this. Unfortunately when youre 24 years old and youre posting pictures of yourself in a negligee, you getting back to my philosophy degree showing here, but it gets to a really profound question about preference and it gets to questions about do we want what we say we want door we want what our behavior reveals us to want and right now the internet is looking at it. We thing we want x and the internet is saying you want y. Its a profound question. I think thats part of the discomfort. Charles duhigg with the book the power of habit. Its been a best hit, massive big seller. Thats it for all in this evening. Rachel maddow is up next. Thank you, chris, my friend. This house is in iceland. Used to be the french consulate in iceland. Its kind of a cute house, right . In 1986 when the cold war was still waging u. S. 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