Transcripts For MSNBCW All In With Chris Hayes 20140815 : vi

Transcripts For MSNBCW All In With Chris Hayes 20140815

Mart that was burned down on the very first night of protests. A small element of looters and rioters. For the most part the protests and everyone here will tell you have been peaceful. There have been a few bottles thrown at the edges. Today has been an entirely peaceful undertake and the frrn the change today is that last night at 11 00 at night eastern time, 10 00 central, as the images were being broadcast around the world, they were reaching the white house. They were reaching the office of the governor, jay nixon, in missouri, reaching up and down the political order and across the world and people realized that something had to change. And so today, there is some change. Heres one thing youll notice. If you look at, youll see hardly any Police Presence here. Last night, on this corner, there were massive armored vehicleses about 70 Police Officers in s. W. A. T. Gear just up here and in camouflage. Tonight, look around, youll see hardly any police and youll also see some very, very dangerous elements here. Some possible looters. Some folks you really, really, need to protect wrouyoure from right over here. This is actually a pretty good image of what these protests have been. They are not the image necessarily that has been shown, i think, on the media thus far. So, last night, a lot of questions about the absence of the governor, or the absence of the president , in fact, so we got today all ranks of officialdom weighing in. The president of the United States had this to say. There is never an excuse for violence against police or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting. Theres also no excuse for police to use Excessive Force against peaceful protests or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their First Amendment rights. I know that emotions are raw right now in ferguson. And there are certainly passionate differences about what has happened. There are going to be different accounts of how this tragedy occurred, difference in terms of what needs to happen going forward. Ive asked the attorney general and u. S. Attorney on the scene continue to work with local officials to move that process forward. They will be reporting to me in the coming days about whats being done to make sure that happened. Not just the president , it was attorney general holder who issued a statement saying the department was offering Technical Assistance to local authorities to help conduct crowd control and maintain Public Safety without relying on unnecessarily extreme displays of force. And then there was the governor. Today, the governor announced a press conference after taking a lot of heat last night on social media and in the press for his absence. Late last night, he issued a statement saying he was canceling his events at the state fair today. He had a press Conference Today and announced a change in leadership over the security situation here in ferguson, missouri. Today, im announcing that the missouri Highway Patrol under the supervision of captain ron johnson who grew up in this area will be directing the team that provides security in ferguson. What im announcing today does not affect the responsibility of those involved in the investigation. And i would once again like to thank general holder, for agreeing to my re quest that the Justice Department conduct a parallel investigation into this matter. I was at that press conference with Governor Nixon and asked when the police are planning to release the name of Police Officer who shot mike brown and whether missouri law compelled them to do so. Governor, the aclu has filed for an open records request for the incident report that will contain the name of the officer who shot mike brown. It seems pretty clear under state law that that is an open record. Should that be released . First of all, i dont know the name of the officer is, im not conducting either of the investigations. I spent a better part of my career doing that sort of stuff i mean, does Missouri State law tsh. What i dont want to get into a debate about what the law is or is not other than to say i would hope that the appropriate security around it, if necessary to make sure that theres not additional acts of violence be done as expeditiously as possible. Were going to talk more about the efforts by these protests and many others to get the name of that officer who believes it should be public information. But we also should note a real difference tonight. I said it at the top. The atmosphere here is very, very different. Every Single Person ive talked to who was here last night and was here tonight says the difference in the lack of Police Presence, it was just a few hours ago that a nonviolent, very peaceful march was led down this street right here which has been the main site of protest. And at the front of it was captain ron johnson of the state Highway Patrol. The man that was announced as being the director of security today. He was hugging people. He was apologizing to people on behalf of the police for what happened last night. Joining me now to talk about what things feel like tonight, versus last night, i have dr. Steph stephan, a professor. It feels as though 1,000 pounds have been lifted off my shoulders. I feel great. You . Like i said, theres a difference between what you saw last night and what you see tonight. Tonight you see people able to walk around while breathing. Last night, they had some problems with that. So it doesnt look militarized as it did yesterday. Theres also a sense here tonight, i means people seem like they arent scared. And you can feel the difference because you could see the people i mean, i had journalists, some journalists who have been in war zones tweeting out photos like, i do not like looking down the barrel of a gun. People are expressing their right to asystsemble and speak t theyre feeling. Theyre so happy not to be intimidated by Police Officers. After three nights of tear gas and rubber bullets,express oursd thats what these young people want. Let me layer r clarify, ther fear last night. People holding up their hands saying, dont shoot, theyre not afraid anymore. Theyre not afraid. The fear was things could continue the way they were going, so theyre not afraid anymore. What do you mean by that, continue the way theyre going . Well, the reason why this happened, of course, what set it off is the death of mike brown jr. But this had been stewing, this had been boiling over for a long time. It was a perfect storm for Something Like this to happen. The only surprise is that it didnt happen sooner. Do all of you here, do you feel like you all have a story about an interaction with a cop that made you want to come out here tonight . You all feel that way. How routine is that . The first interaction i had with a Police Officer that was no fault of my own, i was 15 years old, leaving my school and they decided they want to start macing and tasing us. The next altercation, a firefighter in my school allowed us to stand on a truck. A Police Officer walked up with his gun drawn, yelling us telling us we needed to get off the truck, we had no business being there. We were in the wrong. Basically kind of treating us like criminals. When i was 21, i left a party and got assaulted with a baton. He said i was in his way. That was his excuse for doing it. That sounds to the folks ive been talking to line that fairly routine. One of the things also i think maybe have been getting the wrong impression is that my sense, i was just looking at the fbi statistics, is that ferguson is not a very violent place. Right . Its not we are not talking about a place that is extremely crime ridden, people are afraid to walk outside in which theres tremendous amounts of gang violence. That is not the case. People are happy here, and were integrated. A lot of people want to make this a race issue, but white and black have been fighting and protesting together in peace for six days now. And so its completely contrary to what people are wanting to express nationally. We are working together as a money, as a family. We have new family members now because of what weve gone through for the last six days. Senator, i got to get your response because you tweeted some frustration and anger directed at the governor. Yes, i did. The governor has been absent from the minority communities for decades now and only comes to youre all nodding your head. Yeah. This is how my constituents feel. Hes cut s. N. A. P. Benefits and done other things to take away privileges and benefits for the minority community. He just vetoed a bill helping minorities who need help in education opportunities. Hes done so many Different Things, and he only comes to this community when its politically expedient. And so i say to him that hes a coward. And heres the other ore dole. T the other part of this is weve wanted to express ourselves for such a long time. This is the governors katrina. He still has not come to ground zero. Hes been in a municipality to the north of us, a municipality to the south of us, but he has not been at ground zero, just like george bush was not at ground zero when we had katrina. This is about young people. This fight is only about young people and them being respected and having dignity and being able to succeed and thrive. These young people finally have an opportunity to express themselves, get rid of the anger and the hurt that theyve had in their hearts for a very long time. So thats why ive been standing with the young people because they are the victims and the governor has only assisted in their victimization in the last six days. And i thank him for finally coming to the vicinity, but he needs to come to ground zero where people are hurting and crying. I should say we invited the governor to talk. I would love to have the governor on at any point. Tomorrow, ill be here. So, the question is, okay, what what is next here, right . So, were not like, i think everybody everybody you guys were here, but let me tell you outside, around the world, from seattle to kurdistan, people were looking at these images saying what the hell is going on . Why is this happening . Why is this happening . Hopefully were not going to see that anymore. What well, these thing, this can be any town in the United States. These kinds of things have been cooking, like i said, for a long time. You antehave a situation where you have 70 of the population is africanamerican, but the police force, theres three africanamericans and 50 caucasian americans. You cant have a situation like that. The amount of citations and stops for at the baseline of all of this, there are things that point to that. Since black people have been moving to the county, they have been experiencing these kinds of problems. How take me through the trajectory of the way this county has changed if i was here 20 years ago or 10 years ago. Yeah, well, all of this has to with deindustrialization, with when black people were finally able to afford to move to different kinds of neighborhoods. They were able to move to the county. When they moved to the county, white people started moving out of the county. This is a universal truth about humans is that they just want to get to the suburbs. Well, they want to get to a place where they can have good schools. Where they can live have a yard. All those sorts of things. Thats what this represented for folks that were moving out of st. Louis and out of other areas around here. Absolutely. When you think about these young people, one of the things im glad youre here and its designed the way we have these young people behind us it the images of the young people going out around the world havent always been so positive. When talk about mike brown, the Police Officer had an image in his head of what black men are. I wouldnt say that these young people represent that kind of image. And most of the young people around here dont. So i think thats very important. Im part of the young citizens council. Thats one of the major things were trying to push is the idea that young people, you ask whats going to happen next, maybe well find out what the name of the officer was that shot mike brown. Is that important to you . I think thats crucial. Essential. If we can have if we can have a dead body on the street for hour, find out the name of every looter, socalled looter around here, if we can find at all that kind of stuff, why cant we find out the name of man that the people pay . Thats a crucial thing. The second after that, youre going to need to improve the police force with regard to racial diversity and by that i mean hiring black people. See how many black folks i had someone tell me about going for a traffic stop in ferguson, and showing up at traffic court, and he was the only white guy in traffic court. And that i think i read that half of the revenue of the municipality is coming from traffic stops. And also, chris wait, i just want everyone in america to think about that, think about government that has nothing but an incentive to squeeze you for as many traffic stops as possible then layer on top of that the fact you have st. Louis county. Right. There are some objectives were looking at. First, we do need dashboard cameras. Thats what was missing in this entire case. Thats why my constituents have such distrust in the police right now. The next thing, we have to work on institutionalization. Racism within institutions. As i said before, the community is sbr intertwined, integrated. Not at the top. Not at the top. Other thing we have to focus on, every Police Officer should have a relationship with residents where they are not in fear and that is what has been missing the entire time. And they also need diversity training and changing the composition of the Police Department. I think those are some objectives. Where to we want to start . I think the need for training is something that is now unanimously been seen by everyone in the world. One more thing, citizens review board is crucial that the people who are paying for these Police Officers have to have some sort of oversight over the authorities. Its not a militarized place. Civilians run the show. Absolutely. Professor stephan bradley, thank you very much. State senator marie that chapelle nadal. Stick around. Well be right back. So ally bank really has no hidden fees on savings accounts . Thats right. Its just that im worried about you know hidden things. Ok, whys that . No hidden fees, from the bank where no branches equals great rates. Protesters returning to the scene where last night there was so much Intense Police force. Tonight barely a Police Officer to be seen. And a kind of joyful ecstatic scene. People with their hands up in what has become the universal sign of protest in the wake of mike browns death. 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For me, when you see your niece, if you can tell that captain johnson apologizes and says hes sorry. All right. Im back here in ferguson, missouri. What you just saw is the man appointed by the governor to head up security at the scene after the, frankly, disaster that was the last several days. Im here with major robinson of the st. Louis city police force. As a member of Law Enforcement, what was your thoughts when you saw what was going down here the last few nights . The last few nights i wasnt here. Just watching it from television, listening, watching the news, everything that was going on, i saw a cry for help. My agency, chief saw a cry for help. We need to take an approach and get out here and listen to the people and find out exactly whats going on and what theyre feeling. Tragic incident. The platform that started, what got us to this point, needs to be focused on and the attention was going away from that issue. Were out here communicating with the people, talking to the people and giving them the nushishment that they need. This community is crying out for help. Its an ill situation. And were out here to do the best we can to bring peace to the community. Do you do you have trust, you know, there has long been discussion of the sort of wall of blue, and the kind of solidarity between members of Law Enforcement when something happens to their own, particularly when one of their own commits an act that might be the wrong thing to do. Do you have trust and faith were going to get accountability and a fair and full investigation of what happened . Oh, yes. Yes. The world spotlight is here now. These people have accomplished, i believe there was an entity involved with this incident and right within this crowd that wanted National Attention and ended up getting world attention. I think transparency, justice will prevail in this case. Everybodys got their eye on st. Louis and whats going to happen in ferguson, missouri, on this issue. All the entities as far as Law Enforcement is coming together. The governor has made it clear he wants it to be fair and professional and my chief put it out here to make sure thats going to happen. One more question on this. Is it ever acceptable for an officer of the law to point a weapon, point a weapon at an unarmed peaceful proteste

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