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MSNBCW All In With Chris Hayes January 15, 2015

Take a look at the greatest crooked politicians of all time. All in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. Al qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula has officially claimed credit are to the massacre at the offices of Charlie Hebdo carried out by two french brothers, cherif and said kouachi. An 11minute video shows that it was ordered over its insult over the Prophet Muhammad and saying that his Group Trained and financed the operation. Anwar al awlaki was killed in a drone strike in 2011 and having coordinated the operation. Citing a source within the group broke the story that aqap was claiming they had directed the attacks as discussed on this show. But today marks the first time aqap has officially and definitively made that claim. U. S. State Department Today confirmed the authenticity of the aqap video though the investigation into the link between the kouachi brothers and the jihadi is continuing. Aqap has not presented any kind of definitive evidence that it was responsible for the attack leading some to wonder about the level of coordination, particularly since anwar al awlaki, who allegedly helped coordinate the attack, was killed more than three years ago. Also today, french newspaper le parisien, talks about another attack on a kosher super park met last week. According to the report, which has not been confirmed by msnbc, this fourth suspect, believed to have driven coulibaly to the supermarket may have already fled to syria. There are stills msnbc obtained from kosher inside the supermarket where coulibaly killed the hostages and acclaimed association with the kouachi shooters. Notably did not claim credit for that supermarket attack. Separately, isis, which has often been at odds with al qaeda, sometimes violently, released a video of its own today, praising the paris attacks and encouraging followers to commit additional killings. Meanwhile, here in the u. S. , an ohio man was arrested for planning to attack the u. S. Capitol. The man is identified as christopher cornell. He said he wanted to go forward with violent jihad citing anwar al awlaki. He was dealing with an undercover agent the entire time and was never in a position to carry out his plan. Joining me now is jeremy. Great to have you back. Thank you. How much of this is the m. O. For how aqap claims credit for an attack, this kind of a video, is this what weve seen before . This is textbook aqap. What they would normally do is issue a statement through the media, which weve seen now this this video. Either through a form of an audio recording, more recently through produced videos and full text translation in english and arabic and sometimes in other languages. This shows a transformation of the methodology, is that they first did this, sort of gave a hint of it on twitter. Yes, we got the statement before any other news outlet published it. But if you follow what the sort of evolution of this, aqap is becoming much more social media savvy and are using twitter and other accounts a lot. They have their own verification system. Its not the blue checkmark. Its that they will say im their official old school channels, follow these twitter accounts. Thats the aqap version of they have Something Like that. Then the question comes, well, do we believe them . You believe in past instances they have claimed credit and only released evidence many months later . Right. Im pressing them, look, its one thing to claim credit and youre telling me both of the brothers were in yemen but in the past youve released photos and a marker video. Youve shown that this guy was with us in yemen and we filmed the murder video. That hasnt happened yet. My sense is if we dont see that kind of proof and we may still. But lets say aqap played a role in preparing at least one but probably both of the kouachi brothers to do an attack in the future and they may have an encrypted conversation over an extended period of time. Then the question becomes, they do not claim credit for attack on the kosher marker. The question i think from sort of 30,000 feet is, how big of a plot are we dealing with and were those coordinated or not . That seems like the big question for investigators and everyone wondering about the extent of all of this. This gets complicated for the following reason. We know that the kouachi brothers knew coulibaly going back to at least 2010. Theres indications that it went back beyond that. That they had been involved in other cases to try to free prisoners lets say we dont see that kind of proof. Whats likely here, that qap played some sort of a role in preparing at least one, but probably both of the kouachi brothers to do some sort of attack in the future. And they may or may not have continued an encrypted conversation with them over an extended period of time. There are reports out of belgium today that he acquired 5,000 euro worth of weapons, including weapons used in another attack, that would be the most concrete link that we have in terms of the guys working together. Its also possible that coulibaly would go do his own thing then, and shot up the kosher market. Theres internal politics here. If aqap said this was part of it, and coulibaly pledged his allegiance to al ba gady of isis, that would have been saying, we worked with isis on this. But part of this is political. And you dont see this point being made. But thats a big part of the Statement Today that they said it is a coincidence that we praise it. That would have sent the message, not being seen in concert with isis, because theyre enemies right now. The question on the Arabian Peninsula. They had their hands full i would sue deranged white people shooting up schools as the biggest domestic threat in that case. That is a fair point. So the question about al qaeda and the Arabian Peninsula in terms of where their focus is, whether its on yemen, the saudis, the west and the u. S. , as a sort of factual matter of where their attacks have been. Theyve been highly unsuccessful in carrying out attacks. Its like 90 of what they talk about. Lets attack america, britain, france. In their arabic language communications, theyre much more focused internally on yemen. Many, many victims are yemenese or other arabs. And saudi arabia. Rather than the United States. Its the power of nightmares. Anwar an awlaki is not the main goal driving. The nightmares give them bragging rights. Thats why you want to take credit for this type of a thing, even if you had a minor role in it. Jeremy, thanks a lot. Thank you. Charlie hebdo sold out almost immediately. The print run of the new issue dubbed the survivors issue, already expanded from 60,000 to 3 million. And today, the plan run was expanded even further with another 2 million copies to be printed. The biggest selling newspaper in the history of french publishing. A new cartoon shows a figure of death in the magazine and proclaiming, im subscribing. Weve decided not to show the cover of the issue which pictures muhammad em blazened with je suis charlie. It includes the words all is forgiven. While it supports free speech and right of Charlie Hebdo to publish materials that may offend, we make decisions every day about what information to share with the public, and pursuant to our policies and guidelines to take care not to offend our audience. I do not agree with that decision, i should note for the record. Three days after more than 3 Million People marched in solidarity with Charlie Hebdo, and the principle of free speech, police in france detained a comedian and provocateur over a facebook comment in which he claimed to have allegiance. Hes popularized in arm gesture that resembles a nazi salute. They arrested him after a wave of celebrations of the privacy of free speef speech. Theres no First Amendment, all kinds of speech are criminalized by the state. He was released today but will be put on trial next month for justifying terrorism. He could face up to seven years in jail. At least 54 such cases have been open in france just since the terrorist attacks, including 37 cases involving condoning terrorism. 12 for threatening to carry out terrorist attacks. Joining me is someone who has pushed the limits of what is considered acceptable for publication here in the u. S. Cartoonist for the los angeles times. Glad to have you here. First your response to the first issue of Charlie Hebdo. Muhammad on the cover, the decision by u. S. Outlets to publish or not publish. The solidarity argument that everybody should print these things going around on social media is a little purele. I agree with you there. Continue. The right to free speech and free expression, we also have the right to not express ourselves in a way we dont feel like we have to have words or pictures stuffed down our throat. That said, journalism is about telling the truth. And if cartoonists are killed over a cartoon, readers need to see, or viewers need to see that cartoon to understand what provoked this. A distinction between publishing is an act of solidarity, and publishing is a newsworthy thing to understand the story. Yeah. Where is where i come down the ladder question. In terms of this story, you couldnt script it better. Theres all these people, this growing backlash among french commentators, and others, saying were talking about free speech, but obviously the murder of these people is in a sort of singular category. But were not talking about a country in which theres Something Like free speech, like in the u. S. Where free speech is restricted in other ways as well. Obviously europe has its own unique history and france has its own history in world war ii that influences the antihate speech rhetoric. Its a little different. Specifically the holocaust is a crime in france. Right. You can see why they come down that way. In the United States we have limited about libel. They dont have a First Amendment in france. They dont have as much free speech as we do. In england, for example, there are the antilibel laws are ferocious and brutal. If youre charged with libel, youre guilty until proven innocent. Its a different tradition there, and the limits are different in different countries. To americanize, its certainly hypocritical. Theres this question about sort of the role of the cartoon particularly, and also the way someone called it a sack ri liesing Charlie Hebdo, the extremely irreverent journal. What is your youre someone who has faced backlash, attacked for things that people felt stepped over the line. How do you compare your situation to theirs, and how do you understand this . First and foremost, im sitting here talking to you. I mean, 12 people, 17 people in total are dead. So obviously nothing that ive gone through compares with that, and cant. But that said, every political cartoonist in the United States receives death threats. Its kind of a miracle it hasnt happened before now. Ive had police protection. Its not uncommon. Many of my peers can say the same thing. The limits of free speech in the u. S. Are in some ways not uncomparable to that. But that said, Charlie Hebdo, i think the cartoonists, and i knew some of the people who died, would laugh at the idea that they have that theyve had this amazing influence on the culture. And that they prompted this massive conversation on free speech. They would approve, think it was hilarious, because they were so marginalized, even within the french media before this happened. They only had 30,000 in circulation, now they have 5 million circulation overnight. Its funny. It is a remarkable thing to mention. As someone who has worked in very small lefty publications on the second floor of buildings, it is something to sort of shake your head at in amazement that this publication is now this rallying cry for the world. Everything from the saudi ambassador, right, to republican members of congress. We dont choose our martyrs. Theyre martyrs to free speech. If the cartoons hadnt been outrageous and profane, i dont think anyone had been shot over them. They happen over the most outrageous speech. Thats always the way its going to be. Were going to find ourselves having this debate about, do we like these cartoons. But the thing is, if we go too far down that road, were forgetting the fact that the cartoonists and editors were murdered over these cartoons. Theyre just ink on paper, colorizing photoshop, thats all they are. Ted, thank you very much. Appreciate it. Republicans are worried people are going to think they are hostile to immigrants. They did not do themselves any favors today. You know how she keeps it intersting . She mixes it up. With nicen easy, you can shift a shade and still look like your most amazing you. With our broadest spectrum of natural looking shades. You know what i love . She always keeps me guessing. Shift a shade with nicen easy. Want to know a secret . I wasnt always a redhead. 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They cannot control their impulses as well. They are a threat to all who cross their paths. Agema has since removed that post and says it does not represent his opinion. Because david lives in america, he can post a disgusting piece of garbage like that, and he will not face any legal consequences which is an awesome thing about america. But david is also a member of the Republican National committee. So he might face some social consequences, or political consequences. Time magazine is reporting an effort under way among rnc members to expel him for his views. Reince priebus is asking for him to resign for a string of posts almost a year ago. So far, dave has not been willing to leave the party on his own. All eyes are now on san diego where rncs winter meeting is going on this week. House republicans now officially on the record calling for mass deportation. By a vote of 236191, republicans passed a department of Homeland Security funding bill that included an amendment to block the president s executive actions on immigration that would shield around 4 Million People from being deported. The funding bill would also end deferred action for the socalled dreamers, a program that has stopped the deportation of some 600,000 undocumented immigrants who were brought to the u. S. As children. There was enough concern for moderates and Republican Caucus particularly about the optics of the dreamers deportation vote, that john boehner took to the house floor to make his case. We do not take this action lightly. But simply, there is no alternative. Theres not a dispute between the parties, or even between the branches of our government. This executive overreach is an affront to the rule of law, and to the constitution itself. Republicans didnt take this vote with lots of fanfare today. Its the type of thing they do chief i think to appease the base and dont tend to advertise. But theyve got a big problem, because the people they are an tan nizing, those people are watching. Adrian has a great piece of buzz feed about precisely this phenomenon. They took this vote today. It was important to the base, important to the caucus, i think. They dont like the president s executive action. They also they have this problem with latino voters that are coming into a president ial cycle, and what is the problem for republicans . Well, number one, the problem is that univision has 72 of an audience that is unduplicated. They dont watch english language newscast. If the rnc, if the republicans want to reach hispanics, they want to do so on univision. Jorge, their powerful anchor, he makes that a big issue, whether hes talking to obama or the republicans, he always brings up immigration. What hes probably doing tonight is talking about what they passed today. To roll back obamas executive actions. The problem with univision is for republicans, is that they basically are trying to reach these voters, but in a way of talking about immigration, they dont want to talk about immigration. Exactly. So they cant pull off, you know, theres this phrase dog whistle politics, where you send a signal that only a Certain Group of people can hear, they cannot call off dog whistle politics because the sound is heard by latino media, univision, telemundo, and others, that broadcast it, and they cant sweep it under the rug. They cant sweep it under the rug. I spoke to jorge ramos and some of the executives over at univision, and they said they have a different relationship with their audience than english language folks do, with their media. Latinos are not represented in congress. There are only three latino senators. What theyre basically saying is were going to talk about immigration, talk about this issue. What upsets republicans is when they get ad pitches, when univision wants ad dollars in competitive races, they say immigration is not the number one issue. Its jobs and economy and education, health care, before immigration. But when they talk to ramos, or talk on local affiliates, all they hear about is immigration questions. So now this is set up this has set up a dramatic confrontation at the white house. And also over a piece of funding for the department of Homeland Security which has its own kind of political ramifications, if there is an impasse over this. How do you think this plays out next . You know, what was interesting to me, r

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