Can you tell the middle east were not using a Nuclear Weapon . I would never say that. I would never take any of my cards off the table. How about europe . Im not going to take it off the table. When all in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. At this hour weve got some latebreaking news. Police are declaring an ongoing rally against donald trump in san diego to be in a tactical sense an Illegal Assembly and warning protesters if they dont move, chemical and other agents will be used against them. This is the aftermath after trump gave speeches in two california cities today. The presumptive gop nominee drawing big crowds of supporters as well as hundreds of protesters who at times clashed with both trump backers and police. The scene was relatively peaceful at trumps first speech in fresno where police were in full riot gear and protesters chanted, a few waving the mexican flag. Inside the rally police removed dozens of people including some holding a banner reading love thy neighbor. Trump responded with trademark mockery. Thank you very much. She had a very meek, mild voice. Usually better off just letting her shout. Its my people that cause the problem when they start screaming look over here and you cant hear the person, right . The scene outside trumps second rally in san diego was quite a bit more heated, at least 1,000 people gathered, some protesters throwing items at police, tried to breach a secure area. S. W. A. T. Team was called in. Police said at least three were arrested. Joining me from outside the site of trumps rally in san diego is nbc news correspondent katy tur. It looks like thats still quite a situation there, katy. Reporter it is. Theres not as many protesters as there were earlier but there are frankly a handful of them who are just refusing to leave. Right now riot police are trying to push these protesters back, trying to make them disperse. They have been somewhat successful but there are some holdouts. I want to bring you this way. Excuse us, were a little bit tethered right now. Theres a line of riot police all the way down this way. Hundreds of them that have shown up clutching their batons. Theres a group of protesters staging a sitin, refusing to leave. Despite the fact that p. A. Announcements have repeatedly said, if you do not disperse, we will arrest you. Theyre calling this now an unlawful assembly. Earlier, when the supporters were let out of the convention center, the police tried to avoid any major confrontations by making them go out a back entrance all the way at the other end of the convention center. That worked a little bit. The reality is a number of those supporters walked all the way around and came to confront supporters on this side of the street. And there were a number of violent collisions between supporters and between protesters. Protesters, a handful of them here very much looking for a fight. They tried to break through a barricade at the convention center, clashing with police as police pushed them back. This is what we are seeing in city after city that donald trump visits, especially the cities that are so close to border towns. Major cities as well across the country. We are just 20 minutes from the Mexican Border. This is the closest he has come. You can see one woman ripping a donald trump sign. This is the closest donald trump has been to the Mexican Border since last august when he was in laredo, texas, trying to visit Border Patrol agents. As for this scene right here, the police are trying to disperse it but these folks are just frankly refusing to leave. All right, katy tur, thanks for giving us that. Joined now from the site of the protest, msnbcs jacob rascone. Katy was talking about attempts to keep Trump Supporters and protesters separated with mixed success. Reporter that effort has failed. Where we are now you can see this police line. As katy said they gave a number of warnings about unlawful assembly. Weve seep the police in full riot gear move in here on this side, on my left. Then were going to swing over and im going to show you how the other group of Police Officers not in full riot gear are right here moving in on this other side. The only real exit is this way. So a lot of the protesters are leaving. But you have mixed in, look, make America Great again hats. At first the efforts seemed to be to separate the protesters from the Trump Supporters. But then it just failed. Because some of the supporters went over to the protesters and vice verse. They started as katy talked about fighting and throwing things one to another. This started as a peaceful protest as they usually do. A lot of organizations took part, preparing for days on facebook, on twitter. But then they show up and once the rally is about over, they decide, those who organized, to leave. Those left over are those usually who are willing to be more violent. They wait around for the Trump Supporters to leave, they engage the Trump Supporters, the Trump Supporters engage back, then you get the clash. This has happened city after city. San diego being one of the most prepared that weve seen. But they werent, i dont think, ready for this. Jacob rascone, thanks. Well continue to monitor as folks are escorted out through the phalanx of riot cops. Trump is vowing to win the state of california where he held those rallies as part of a 15state strategy he says will lead to victory in november. What im going to do is i want to focus on 15 or so states. Because we have to win. And i want my energy to be put into states where it could go either way. And were going to play heavy as an example in california. No other republican, they wouldnt even go to dinner california, they wouldnt do it. Theres a reason republicans feel that way. President obama won california by 23 points in 2012. The state hasnt voted for a republican president ial candidate since way back in 1988. Yet trump is saying hes confident. I honestly think were getting these massive crowds all over the place. I actually think were going to win california. Plus i have property here. I have employees here. Trump is vowing to compete in deep blue new york, his home state, which hasnt gone republican if a president ial race since 1984, as well as michigan and pennsylvania, which republicans also havent taken since 1988. Trumps view seems to be the traditional rules of politics dont apply to him. You can see why he feels that way. Trump triumphed in the republican primary despite little ground game and repeated predictions of his political demise. A general election is a different beast. If trump wins he will do so despite a campaign that seems utterly unprepared. Trump has a Small Campaign staff. For example, all the clinton campaign, according to the New York Times, has more than 12 people in its press team. Trump has just one. Trump has yet to Hire Campaign staff in the traditional bag ground states and his campaign parted ways with its National Political director, rick wily, who had been tasked with hiring those staffers. He lasted six weeks. For his National TurnoutOrganization Trump says hell lean on the Republican National committee. They build over years and years staffs in every state. You cant do that or you cant do it very well if youre doing it all over the next few months. You cant do that over a period of just a short while. Because we have novembers coming up very rapidly. Its going to be very soon. Already state gop Officials Say the party has not provided enough field organizers and will be badly outgunned by democrats in battleground states. Meanwhile trump is largely eschewing data operations essential to obamas electoral success saying i feel its overrated. Obama got the votes more than his Data Processing machine. Fundraising trump is trying to raise money through super pacs. As New York Times reports donors have received conflicting signals which one to support. Then the candidate himself. Trump seems to make decisions on the fly based on his gut. Republicans interviewed by the times described him as unpredictable, someone who can be swayed by the last person he talked to. When two times reporters asked for comment treasure responded you two wouldnt know how to write a good story about me. If you tried, dream on. Yesterday trump said he would debate Bernie Sanders if 10 million was donated to charity, even as his campaign was insisting at the same time that he didnt really mean it. Id love to debate bernie. Hes a dream. I think it would get very high ratings. It should be in a big arena somewhere. And we could have a lot of fun with it. Sanders said he was ready to go but today trump said he was out, writing in a statement even though it would be an easy payday, it seems inappropriate i would debate the secondplace finisher. Joining me is nick confasori, New York Times, and democratic strategist cornell belcher. Nick, you covered the world of Campaign Infrastructure, particularly on the money side. There was a period of time in which it seemed that, okay, were going to get now the traditional organizations going to be built. And heres my theory about what happened, your colleagues wrote about this today. The polls bumped for him and i think he just said, im going to keep winging it the way that i have. He has actually done pretty well so far without any of those pieces. Yes. He has defied all the rules of how you win a primary. And the question is, can you really apply that kind of gut strategy of not having data, organization, or super pacs or a planned media operation, when youre trying to reach the millions of swing voters . Really its actually a very small electorate. Trying to reach them and get them out in the first place and vote for you. Cornell, this goes in some ways to the difference between who a primary electorate is and who a general electorate is. But at first blush, do you think its a feasible proposition to win a general election with essentially no state organization, no field organizers, no ground game, no actual modern Campaign Infrastructure . No, its madness. Although most of this campaigns been madness. I would be remiss if i didnt remark on the images weve been seeing here. How do you build i work for governor dean, we put together a neighbor to Neighbor Program which helped us win in 2006. How do you put together a neighbor and Neighbor Program if youre on the trump side right now when literally you have neighbors fighting each other . Ive been in politics a long time. This sort of acidic, visceral disdain and fighting, americans among americans, take your democrat republican hat off, my god, this is just unbelievable whats happening in our country right now. I joined a movement eight years ago that was about bringing people together. Whether you agreed with him or not. But the idea was bringing people together to solve big problems of this country. And to watch how this has the clock has flipped back. And sort of this cyclical change in just eight years. Chris, as an american, cite ning. Frightening. Theres images of what look to be the beginning of confrontations between supporters and protesters as folks are leaving that rally. An aerial shot, some folks coming in thankfully to mediate and break that up and get everybody moving in their direction. And of course in some ways theres a relationship between these two things. Which i honestly think is that the key to this campaign thus far has been called earn media. Its 99 that and 1 anything else. Theres no pollsters no strategists, very little actual paid he hasnt purchased very much advertising. Theres essentially a skeletal staff. This is it. The spectacle is the campaign. It cuts both ways. People remarked in the gop that trump basically stepped all over the clinton email report from this week. And basically got in the way of that having its full effect. I would say, though, that the premise of modern political organization, when you pull back, because the politics is basically boring to most people. And not something that they engage in very often. And you have to put in a ton of work to get them to engage. The premise of the Trump Campaign is that he is not boring. He gives you a reason to come out and participate. And thats why i think it is an x factor. Celebrity candidates often attract these irregular voters. Whose way of thinking about politics is not regular and stratified. That may be true but to get back to the fundamentals here, cornell, there is no universe, i dont think, in which donald trump is competitive or wins new york and california in which he doesnt win i hear you laughing in which he doesnt win essentially a 15point goldwater or reaganesque blowout, right . Unless theres something going on where they make it illegal for anyone of hispanic or latino descent to vote in california. Theres no way in hell hes going to win california. But he makes these broad statements. Hes going to you know, i hope donald trump and the Republican Party, they spend millions upon millions of dollars in california, in new york, because theres a reason why the republicans dont spend money there. Because it sucks all your money. If youre going to spend all this money in california, new york, i think democrats will say, thank you. Youre spending less money in ohio, north carolina, virginia. Although the way this campaign is going, its not clear any moneys being spent in any of these states. Its not like hes robbing peat tore play paul. An interview Bernie Sanders just gave in california on whether hes worried i think there are democrats who are worried about Hillary Clinton against donald trump, whether hes worried. Take a listen. Are you worried that Hillary Clinton is going to lose to donald trump . Am i worried . Am i worry saturday what do you think im going crazy why do you think im running after over the state of california, doing three rallies a day . Were going to have a letter going to super tell gatdelegates that point. Worried . Im scared to death. That strikes me as the message he wants to bring and a genuine feeling on the part of sanders. And theres a not insignificant part of the Democratic Political class that is pretty nervous as well. Look, i think weve gone i remember three weeks ago, cornell and i worked on a story together where i did a story on how could they pull it out. There were liberals on twitter who would laugh and say, youre making up a story to keep this campaign going. Now flash forward. You have democrats voicing this themselves saying, you know what . Its not clear whats going to happen. Hillary clinton is running a very conventional good but very conventional campaign. We cant predict whats going to happen here. Cornell, when you get back to this good but conventional, when you talk about what the fundamentals are here and whether which ones donald trump can sort of turn over, i think the ones he can turn over are his margins among voters of color, those arent coming back, i dont think, right . So the place that he would have to sort of remake the playing table would be essentially with white voters. And thats a hard thing to do. No value judgment on it, but our electorates going to be even 2 browner this time around than it was when barack obama won a majority in backtoback majority in it. The math doesnt work for him. This country is not getting older and whiter. When you look at even millennials, millennials are a larger proportion of the electorate in president ial on years than are seniors. Our country is growing browner and younger. So the math just doesnt work. If im a republican, frankly, if im a republican i am very disturbed by what donald trump is doing to the brand. Because longterm, you cannot win the future this way. As we look at these images, concluding thought here, Patrick Buchanon wrote a memo to nixon about using culture war wedge issues, particularly racially freighted language against the protesters, to use the division of 1968 in his favor. He said its a highrisk strategy that will cleave the country in two but i think well get the bigger half. Thats the test case as we watch a highrisk strategy that is cleaving the country in two in front of our eyes. Who gets the bigger half . Thank you both. Still to come, as president obama calls for a World WithoutNuclear Weapons while visiting hiroshima, a look it would be like if President Trump at his finger on the button. Fact and fiction of trumps california speeches in two minutes. With usaa is awesome. Homeowners insurance Life Insurance automobile insurance i spent 20 years active duty they still refer to me as Gunnery Sergeant when i call being a usaa member because of my service in the military to pass that on to my kids something that makes me happy my name is roger zapata and im a usaa member for life. Usaa. We know what it means to serve. Get an insurance quote and see why 92 of our members plan to stay for life. Hillary clinton wants to abolish the Second Amendment, remember that she wants to abolish it. And its disgraceful. I watched her on television. 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