For jobs in america. And the new audio of an angry governor losing his cool. I have respondent my life helping black people and you little son of a bitch socialist [ bleep ] when all in starts right now. Good evening from new york, im chris hayes. In the wake of Hillary Clintons methodical evidencebased indictment of donald trump yesterday for trafficking in and encouraging racism in his campaign, trump has, with some success, been working to bait the media into covering the issue as a simple back and forth. An exchange of racially charged accusations as the Washington Post put it. Trump calls himself the law and order candidate, says police need to get much tougher. In an interview last night, he doubled down on his claim that his rival is, quote, a biggot. She is a biggot. You look at whats happening to the inner cities, to African Americans and hispanics in this country where she talks all the time how is she biggoted . Because shes selling them down the tubes. Shes not doing anything for those communities. She talks a good game. She has dislike of black people . Her policies are biggoted because she knows theyre not going to work. But youre saying shes personally biggoted . Of course she is. Clinton cited numerous examples yesterday to link trump to racism, trump is putting forth very little evidence to support his claim. Consider the republican reaction to clintons speech. Normally the gop would rally around its president ial nominee after such an attack. Particularly when hes being linked to something as odious as explicit racism. Instead, weve heard crickets from top republicans, perhaps because trump and his policies have already been deemed racist, either explicitly or implicitly. Remember back in june, House Speaker paul ryan called trumps attack on a federal judge for his heritage, quote, the textbook definition of a racist comment. Tod Mitch Mcconnell said, i dont think he saw the speech. And as for trumps charge of bigotry, sean spicer could not bring himself to back his nominee in an interview with msnbc this morning. Do you think Hillary Clintons a biggot . No, i mean i think some of the policies that shes schted have not helped the African American, but anybody who knows me, i just dont tend to use certain words. But again, im not so thats not something they might personally say, no. In her speech yesterday, she cited bob dole, george bush and john mccain for pushing back against racist rhetoric. In an interview with msnbc this morning, clinton discussed her choice to deliberately cleve trump off from the rest of his party. I am reaching out to everyone republicans, democrats, independents everyone who is as troubled as i am by the bigotry and divisiveness of Donald Trumps campaign. And ive said repeatedly, this is not a normal choice between a republican and a democrat. Were not just discussing our different views on tax policy or anything else of importance. We are facing a divisive candidate whose loose cannon temperament and his complete lack of preparation make him unqualified to be president and temperamentally unfit to be commander in chief. Joining me now, katie packer, Deputy Campaign for mitt romney in 2012. Argued this week clinton should let paul ryan and the gop go down with the trump ship. Let me start with you, katie. So theres this really interesting tactical decision the Hillary Clinton campaign has to make. Do you cleave trump off from the gop or attempt to yolk him to the rest of the gop . So however paul ryan is troubled by that comment, hes going to vote for him, as are many other republicans. What do you think of this choice hes made to cleave him off from the rest of the gop . Well, i think its interesting. And Hillary Clinton has cleared seen an opportunity, given the fact that trump is only attracting 70 of Republican Voters. Normally that number, by the time you get to a general election is up in the 90s. So that means theres 23 of Republican Voters who arent comfortable with this nominee. So shes trying to appeal to them. At the same time, she does have to take some responsibility for her party and the fact that they have failed the African American community and many minority communities. If you look at the inner cities what do you mean by that . Theyre almost all over the place run by democrat leadership. My home city of detroit michigan has had democrat leaders for my entire lifetime and that city has struggled and you think thats because of the party in charge . What do you think about the governor of maryland cutting off billions of dollars in transportation Infrastructure Investment to the west side of baltimore just a few months after the uprising, as an example of limitations of municipal governments not being able to serve underserved communities . I dont know enough about that example. Its a perfect example, isnt it . I dont know enough about that issue to respond to it. But i think successful local governments are governments that work with their governors of both parties. And i do think that thats something that the Democratic Party has to answer to. Rick, what do you think . Its something the Republican Party has to answer for. Detroit basically won world war ii for the United States of america, saved us from fascism and hitler, saved the world from fascism and hitler. And its reward was the white people fled the city after African Americans were invited to work in the factories. They put up a wall thats not how it happened. Thats not how it happened. Thats exactly how it happened. [ all speak at once ] came in as mayor as the city of detroit. The county supervisor in oakland said that hes [ all speak at once ] wait a second. Are you saying that white flight is not a real phenomenon thats happening in mearamerican citie . No, it is a phenomenon. Im speaking specifically to the city of detroit, where the white mayor asked white people to leave at that time. Thats your argument for where the white people left the city of detroit . Regardless, that city has been governed by democrats my entire lifetime and they had failed the black community in that city. Katie packer, first of all, you think white flight happened in detroit because a black mayor told people to leave detroit . Is that the story of detroit white flight . I grew up in detroit and rick, what do you think about the tactical decision of Hillary Clinton to cleave donald trump off from the Republican Party that has had its own issues with racial dog whistles for decades . I think its disappointing. Basically strategically. Politics is a team sport. Shes running on a ticket. I think of one of the emails fleshed out from the wikileaks, from march of 2016, so this has been a long time coming, from louis miranda, complaining that their instructions was to separate trump from the ryan wing, to say that trump was crazy and not normal, and ryan was normal. And that to connect them makes trump look normal. And miranda was complaining that they couldnt run congressional campaigns this way. When Hillary Clinton says that paul ryan is a social justice conservativism and all these other republicans which i guess would include trey gowdy and i guess would include louis gom ertz and the people who said she killed vince foster, right . Now shes saying that trump has turned the party over to paranoia. If shes saying the rest of the party is okay, then it makes it very hard to tell a story to the American People that the problem is conserve tiativiativisconser problem is the Republican Party. If imagine her going to washington to govern, with paul ryan as a partner. But paul ryan sees democrats very different. I thought the dnc exchange rick was talking about was fascinating. Because there are dual incentives. Because what you want to do is, you dont have the gift of a donald trump. What you want to do is tie your candidate to donald trump, if hes rob portman or pat toomey, or if youre in a contested house seat. Whereas Hillary Clinton does have the gift of donald trump and maybe its easier for her just to not lift that stone. I do think its a smart strategy for a president ial candidate. It does kind of sell her downballot candidates down the river. But the same things happening on the republican side in the reverse. There are a lot of people that are suggesting that the downballot candidates sort of leave the president ial candidate on the curb. So its the reverse thing happening on both sides. Thank you both. Appreciate it. Joining me now, ben jealous. Lets talk about this. This is a story i hear all the time from conservatives. They say that people need to get off the black people need to get on off the democratic plantation, a term breitbart loves. And that democrat, not democratic for some weird reason, leadership in city after city has failed, and black folks in those cities are doing terribly and therefore the Democratic Party is responsible. What do you think about that . You know, look, right now, we are fighting over who is going to control the white house. And weve seen donald trump go a bridge too far, but its not the first bridge too far. Its like the fifth bridge too far. And his party, apparently likes to hang out on the fourth bridge too far. For them to turn around and say, well, you know, the democrats have been the problem. When we have governors like logan by the way, im doing this from west baltimore. And weve seen these republican governors in states across the country, constrain what our cities can do, bankrupt their schools, bankrupt transportation and then point at the mayor and say its the mayors fault. Thats just kind of a weak, you know its just weak. Thats the game the Republican Party plays. But we have to get back to the big issue which is donald trump way out there, just staying on this road to stupid that the Republican Party has been on for like 50 years. Its getting worse and worse and worse, and finally we found out that many people in his party, theyre cool with the road to stupid, theyre cool with three or four bridges too far, but the fifth bridge is too much. So you think theres nor continuity than discontinuity between donald trump and the rest of the party, in terms of how Hillary Clinton is choosing to play this . Absolutely. You look at mitt romney, right, his comments about free stuff, which he did at the Naacp Convention when i was present. Then you look at the way every republican since nixon has made the one before him look better. Like reagan made nixon look better. Ford did that too, by the way. George w. Bush made reagan look better. You know, romney, quite frankly, was more racially hostile when he first ran than george w. Bush was when he ran in 1999. So they just keep getting worse. And donald trump is just the kind of logical conclusion of this, you know, kind of stupid poem that theyve been writing for 50 years. I mean, its just this is where it is. I just want to say one thing, to distinguish two things here, because i think its important. I dont want to say that democratic leadership in americas cities has been uniformly excellent, and in some cases it has been terrible and disastrous. There are all kinds of terrible problems with the leadership in the city of chicago that we have documented in depth on this show, or the leadership in baltimore, which we have documented. But thats wholly distinct from saying the reason that inner cities in america, poor and black areas, theyre having a hard time is because of democratic leadership, when everything we know about the accrued history of White Supremacy and red lining and disinvestment is the reason largely thats brought us to this moment. That if you elected a republican mayor you would be in a different situation, strikes me as counter factual. What the Republican Party did at the time of desegregation, they chose to be the white mans party. They took people from the dixiecrat base throughout the 60s, 70s, and 80s, and they played their roll. Absolutely, both parties have had poor leaders who deserve a lot of blame. But the reality is, that when you hear miss packer say that white flight in detroit happened because Coleman Young asked white people to leave, thats kind of when i stopped listening. Ben jealous, thank you for being here tonight. Thank you. Still to come, downballot republicans trying to weather the remaining days of Trumps Campaign. But first, donald trump often drags about having the best people. His most recent hires raise some questions about the company he keeps. That story right after this twominute break. Weve got the best people. I know the best people. I know the best managers. I know the best deal makers. I have the most dedicated people. I have the best people. I have the best people. I know the best people. We know the best negotiators in the world. We have great people. Were going to use our best people and were going to bring back our jobs thats been the core of Donald Trumps pitch, hell bring in the best people to renegotiate deals and turn things around. But if Trumps Campaign is a model for how hed run the white house and who hed hire, it raises a lot of questions. Bannon has been under questions for his tenure with the Trump Campaign. He was charged in 1996 with misdemeanor Domestic Violence with his wife. The charges were dropped when the alleged victim didnt show up in court. The three men heading uphe campaign, two have been charged with battery against a woman. In both cases, the charges were later dropped. The other one may be under federal corruption investigation for ties to a proykremlin part. Today he hired bill stepien, he was Chris ChristiesCampaign Manager and is now on track to take over the new jersey gop until his name appeared on compromising emails related to the bridgegate scandal, released also from another christie aide, time for traffic problems in ft. Lee. I was disturbed by the tone and behavior and attitude of callous indifference, that was displayed in the emails by my former Campaign Manager, bill stepien. And reading that, it made me lose my confidence in bills judgment. If i cannot trust someones judgment, i cannot ask others to do so. And i would not place him at the head of my political operation because of the lack of judgment that was shown in the emails that were revealed yesterday. Reports cite jared kushner, trumps soninlaw as the main force behind stepiens hire. A close adviser says he was not involved. I wish bill the best of luck and i wish the campaign the best of luck as they go forward. I did not consult with donald trump on this decision one way or the other. Mr. Trumps campaign has confidence in him, they hired him. Then jerry delemas, not to be confused with al baldasaro who calls for clinton to be executed by firing squad. Today baldasaro clarified that she should be tried for treason first, and then shot. This is jerry delemas who took part in a armed standoff and federal officials at the bundy range two years ago. Delemas just pleaded guilty to multiple felony charges and could serve up to six years in prison. Charlie pierce, writer at large for esquire. The bannon stuff, you dont hire banner for a million reasons, because you get all his headlines from breitbart, but this is another good reason not to hire him. Hes what we would call a goon, plain and simple. Hes out there for his ability to start fights, not score. At the same stepien who will do what the boss tells him to do. And Kellyanne Conway is a getting a pass, but this is a woman who Kellyanne Conway . Sorry, fitzpatrick was the name before. And youve got mike pence who blew up his entire states economy with an antigay bill that would allow discrimination against gay people. And gay people is the one group of people that donald trump hasnt gone out of his way to insult, and you didnt even mention the fact that his personal physician seems to be the alien studies guys from independence day. Im glad you bring up dr. Harold bornstein, i have no independent knowledge about whether hes a good doctor or not and i dont want to cast aspersions on him. But when his later about Donald Trumps health circulated, it raised eyebrows. If elected, mr. Trump, i can state unequivocally will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency. Which seems a difficult claim to verify. Today we caught up to him and he talked about the conditions under which he wrote that letter. Take a look. Is that the way that you wrote most of your letters . No, but for mr. Trump, i wrote that letter that way. Did he ask you to describe it to, or did you pick up his language by spending time with him . I think i picked up his language and interpreted it to my own. I thought about it all day and then at the end, i get rushed and i get anxious when i get rushed, so i try to get four or five lines done as fast as possible that they would be happy with. Charlie, i should say, this is while a limo waited for him to courier the letter back to donald trump. I dont want to make of this. Im out of words to describe the characters that have been assembled around mr. Trump. Not just that, but in keeping with what rick perl steen said earlier, this is far from the first time that high ranking Republican People have been associating with the fringe of their ideology. The castle for conservative citizens, that went on for years until trent lot finally got caught at it. There