Donald trump rolls out his unconstitutional plan to grab guns and stop crime. I would do stop and frisk. I think you have to. As his running mate urges americans to move on. This talk, this talk about institutional racism and institutional bias. And the shockwaves of charlotte and tulsa reach the nfl. Im saying it straightup, this is wrong and we need to do something. All in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. Tonight, major developments in the two Police Shootings weve been following for the past week. Charlotte, north carolina, is in a state of emergency at this hour. As a third night of protests is under way. And in the shooting of an unarmed black man in tulsa, oklahoma. There the Police Officer has been charged with firstdegree manslaughter. More on that in a moment. First, these are live pictures of Downtown Charlotte. Last night during the second night of protests following the shooting death of keith scott, another man was shot as police took positions in Downtown Charlotte in riot gear. That man has, according to our affiliate wncc, recently died. We have not yet independently confirmed that. Police say he was shot by another civilian. Theyre reviewing video to make sure none of their officers were involved. During unrest that continued after that shooting, further Property Damage occurred. Police fired tear gas, additional civilians and police suffered injuries most classified as minor. Governor pat mccrory declared a state of emergency about 11 00 p. M. And the National Guard was deployed. Questions about the Police Shooting death of keith scott which triggered the unrest, questions as to whether or not he was armed and if so whether he was pointing his firearm at police coupled with refusal of police to release video of the incident fueled mounting calls for transparency. Today charlottes police chief said he was honoring the request of the scott family to show the video of the shooting to them but bud not release it to the public during the course of the investigation. Theres a difference between disclosure, allowing someone to see it, that would be the party that feels theyve been aggrieved. Thats what im going to do. Release would be to the masses. Thats what im not going to do. What i can tell you what i saw, i was clear when i talked about this before, is the video does not give me absolute definitive visual evidence that that would confirm that a person is pointing a gun. I did not see that in the videos that i reviewed. Wcnc obtained a photo from a witness of what appears to be a gun. The affiliate verified the photo with a Police Source that said it is the gun found near mr. Scotts feet. Issues of transparency are front and center in this case particularly since governor mccrory signed highly controversial legislation in july restricting the release of Police Camera recordings. That law doesnt go into effect until october 1st meaning that restrictions on releasing Police Footage will soon be the new norm in the state of north carolina. When you signed the bill that takes effect in october, going to limit empbl moven more body dashcam video. In a situation like this, wouldnt one frame go a long way into showing whos right and whos wrong. I strongly disagree with your interpretation of the state law so ill let you read the state law. Ive read the state law and i stand by the chiefs comments that he made earlier today. The family of keith scott which has now seen that dashcam video chose not to appear at a press conference today. Through their attorneys expressed frustration at the position of which they find themselves in defending the actions of the victim. The police shot mr. Scott. The police are the Public Servants. Hes a citizen. So this concept of transparency, you know, yes, we want transparency. Yes, we dont create the facts. We live with the facts. Okay . But you cant take the burden that is placed on Law Enforcement and sworn officers and Public Servants and put that on a deceased person or the family whos in mourning. Its my understanding that his wife saw him get shot and killed and thats something that she will never, ever forget. Family of mr. Scott has now released a statement through their lawyers after seeing the video which reads in part when told by police to exit his vehicle mr. Scott did so in a calm nonaggressive manner. Police did give him several commands, he did not aggressively approach them or raise his hands at members of Law Enforcement at any time. It is impossible to discern from the videos what, if anything, mr. Scott is holding in his han hands. When he was shot and killed, mr. Scotts hands were by his side. He was slowly walking backwards. Theyre calling for the videos to be released from the public. Officer Brently Vinson has been placed on paid administrative leave while authorities investigate the shooting. State investigation has also been requested by the local district attorney. Activated under a state law when the victims family prequereque such an investigation. Justice department, fbi are currently monitoring the situation. Now, we turn our attention to tulsa in the shooting there, a death of Terence Crutcher last friday which you see in the video. The Police Officer who fired those shots, that one shot, betty shelby, was charged with firstdegree manslaughter. A warrant has been issued for her arrest. Arrangements are being made for her surrender according to the tulsa County District attorney. Joining me from charlotte, Senior Pastor of mayfield memorial missionary baptist church, naacp and local clergy, is calling for the shooting video to be released. Reverend, first, tell me why you think its important this video be released. Good evening, chris. I believe the video should be released because of the unique circumstances in which it find itself. That is, transparency is so greatly needed because i believe the zeitgeist demands that we Pay Attention to the context in which this particular killing took place. Just hours after Terence Crutcher was killed. Then mr. Scott is killed. But also in the context of a city in which Randall Carrick is tried and was fired but was set free by a hung jury, so in this context, also in a city suffering through the things that charlotte economically is suffering through, that is the middle class and the poor of charlotte, there is a real powder keg happening here and it has begun to explode. I only say begun to explode because the lack of transparency is slowly building the tension in this city. So to the extent that the release of the videos will alleviate that tension, its a really good idea to do so. I want you to respond to an argument that ive seen others make that, in fact, that it would be the opposite. The release of the video would enflame tension. Weve obviously seen two pretty rough nights in charlotte. Last night the devastating news of the death of that man. We have not yet confirmed that independently but at the very least, he was shot. He was on life support. What do you think happens next in that city . What do folks need to make sure we dont have violence like that that we saw last night . Sure. The assumption that releasing the videos would create more violence presumes that one knows whats in the videos. And if we know whats in the videos is damning evidence, then perhaps thats the fear. However, according to the chief, we dont really know whats in the videos. Moreover, to the contrary, notwithstanding, the chief said there were several people, officers at the scene with body cams on that did not have them turned on. So we really dont know what releasing the videos will do. What we think needs to happen next are a few things. Number one, the videos need to be released. That goes without saying. Number two, were calling on the governor, were calling on the city council, were calling on the county commission, were calling on the mayor, were calling on the attorney general of north carolina, to declare where they stand with regard to releasing those videos. And thirdly, we believe that weve spoken to our mayor an this, there needs to be a task force on Police Violence in charlotte that brings together business leaders, clergy as well as Political Leadership on an ongoing basis. And fourthly, we believe that and we have asked for at various levels from federal on down, we have asked for an automatic trigger of an independent investigation of every policeinvolved killing of a citizen of color. Now, we have an investigation going on. An independent one now, appar t apparently, from the fbi. The state bureau of investigation. However, we believe that a department of Justice Civil Rights Division investigation right. Is really what is mandatory in a case like this when the tensions have been so high. Reverend, let me get your response to one more thing. Republican congressman who represents part of charlotte, man by the name of Robert Pittinger offered this theory for why people have engaged in protest and property destruction, some of the other things we s weve seen the last nights. Take a listen. Grievance in their mind is the animus, the anger. Yes, it is, it is a welfare state. We have spent trillions of dollars on welfare, but we put people in bondage so they cant be all that theyre capable of being. Do you believe the cause of the frustration and unrest is the resentment of white people because they are successful and the protesters are now . Well, i know mr. Pittinger and like him very much, however, im very disappointed at his analysis of the situation. I should tell you that having been black in the United States of america for a very long time, none of those things has any presence in reality. Primarily, people are angry and upset because there is the sense in our city right now that we are black citizens, africanamerican citizens, are living in a police state. Under an army of occupation. Not to mention the fact if one looks at the harvard study, whats happened in a city like charlotte, 50 out of 50 major cities in country, upward mobility out of poverty, and if you look at the data, the middle class has been hollowed out, eviscerated in this city such there are the working poor that we clergy meet every day who are working two jobs and three jobs and cannot afford a place to live. And on top of that, now there are these signals that are being sent and africanamericans are not a monolithic, in other words, we are not stupid. We have the ability to analyze the signs of the times. Case in point, we finished meeting with the mayor and the city council about 2 00 this morning and as we got back to our cars, we were accosted by about 50 officers arresting 2 people and told to go home. The pastor of the church was told, get in your car and go home. One of our white colleagues who was there was tapped on his shoulder standing near the arrest and was told, excuse me, sir. All right, reverend this is what contributes. Thank you. Reverend wherry, appreciate your time. I want to look at the live demonstrations happening in uptown charlotte, the third night, of course. See a very peaceful scene right now. It was peaceful last night and then there was gunshots ringing out. Devastating news that a person who was in that crowd was shot. He was on life support earlier today. There are some reports that he has since died. We have not independently confirmed that. Obviously the city extremely tense and on edge. We have confirmed, actually, i should say, that that individual who was shot last night during the unrest in charlotte has died. Police have not named who the person fired the gun is. They say theyre reviewing to make sure none of their officers were involved. They called it a civilian on civilian shooting. I want to bring in my colleague, tremaine lee. What does it feel like on the ground now . Weve been on the ground before and always talk about the calm before the possible storm. Right now here in Downtown Charlotte, relatively quiet but for the whirl of the helicopter above, driving out of the airport, the thnascar hall of fame, you could see guard troops gathering. Behind me, i saw a bus full of what i assume to be National Guardsmen coming in. Its calm at the moment and ive been talking to some clergy who say that theyve been working all day trying to, dealing with the activists in terms of nonviolent protest, figuring out a way to reach the nonviolent protesters, those who have been disaffected. So often we see in various communities where the clergy doesnt have a True Connection to the community. When the mayor stands up and police chief stands up and you have a line of older clergy members talking abo inin ining they dont have that connection here. I was talking to a minister here who said there are silos of group and organizations yet they do have a pipeline to the young people and theyre trying to get their voice. But as weve seen in baltimore, weve seen in ferguson, depending on what the police do, their mere presence can be somewhat provocative. Right. I talked to a number of people who said last night the protesters had been peaceful until they get downtown and see the guardsmen with their riot gear, with their shields and batons and may have sparked unrest. Obviously foolishness unfurled clearly. Again, the concern is the authorities, how provocative will they be and how will they handle the situation tonight, if, in fact we get a large number of protesters like last night. Trymaine lee will be monitoring the situation. Im always glad to have you as a reporting resource. Thank you, trymaine. Appreciate it. 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Hes been talking a lot lately about his vision of life in america cities, places are according to him, quote, you walk down the street, you get shot. Yesterday facing a fox news town hall in cleveland thats set to air tonight, trump was asked by an audience member who he would do about it. Theres been a lot of violence in the black community. I want to know what would you do to help stop that violence, you know, blackonblack crimes. Right. Well, one of the things id do, ricardo, i would do stop and frisk. I think you have to. We did it in new york. It worked incredibly well. And you have to be proactive. I see whats going on here, i see whats going on in chicago. I think stop and frisk. First off, trump is wrong about stop and frisk in new york. Since stop and frisk was phased out after a federal judge declared it it unconstitutional in 2013, crime in new york city has remained at historic lows. This despite predictions from people like trump adviser Rudy Giuliani and others that it would spike. Faced with the media backlash over his comments, trump falsely claimed this morning hed only been asked about chicago. I was really referring to chicago as stop and frichsk. They asked me about chicago. I was talking about stop and frisk for chicago. When you have 3,000 people shot and so many people dying, i mean, its worse than some of the places were hearing about like afghanistan. You know, the wartorn yeah. Nations. Its more dangerous. For a point of comparison, there were 249 significant terrorist attacks last year in kabul, the afghan capital, alone, according to the state department. Also note foxs banner during that segment, gotham city gone wild. As i just mentioned, Violent Crime in new york has not gone up since stop and frisk ended. In fact, it has continued to decline. Falling over 5 in just the last two years according to the nypd. Still, donald trump says stop and frisk is the right tactic for police and knows just how it will work. If they see a person possibly with a gun or they think they have a gun, they will see the person, theyll look and theyll take the gun away. Theyll stop, theyll frisk and theyll take the gun away. And they wont have anything to shoot with. You know, the police, the local police, they know who has a gun, who shouldnt be having a gun. They understand that. Joining me now, vince warren, executive director of the center of Constitutional Rights which filed the Class Action Lawsuit in new york that resulted in stop and frisk being declared unconstitutional. I want to start with this, the 2nd amendment aspect of this then well move along with the 4th. You know, its somewhat you know, here we have a situation right now, you know, as we watch things unfold in charlotte, north carolina, which is an open carry state, theres a question about a gun, obviously, you cant brandish even in an open carry state. You have donald trump saying they know where the guns are, should take the guns away. I mean, starts thinking what exactly is going on here with the reverence to the 2nd amendment then somehow it doesnt seem to apply to certain populations. Yeah. Ive always been challenged by that question, with respect to the 2nd amendment, where people are like, we should have our guns and no one can take them away, unless, of course, theyre black people that have gu