This was locker room banter, a private conversation that took place many years ago. Bill clinton has said far worse to me on the golf course, not even close. I apologize if anybody was offended. In a tweet concerning the audio, Hillary Clinton said this is horrific. We cannot allow this man to become president. Billy bush also released a statement, obviously im embarrassed and ashamed, thats no excuse. This happened 11 years ago, i was younger and less mature and acted foolishly in playing along. Im very sorry. Tomorrow is trumps meeting with paul ryan signing a bill to protect the rights of Sexual Assault survivors. The chair of the National CommitteeReince Priebus said, no woman should ever be discussed about in these terms or talked about in this manner ever. Joining me Charlie Sykes, linda chavez, and ms. Chavez, i guess ill just begin with you in
responding to this. Well, i have said from the moment he announced that this man can be described in one word, and that one word is vile. And frankly, if i were paul ryan, i would cancel the event. Part of the problem, the reason donald trump has been able to get away with what hes gotten away with is hes got the Reince Priebuses of the world, the paul ryans, the bill bennetts, the groups around him that support him and give him cover when hes just a disgusting man and if he had any kind of dignity, if he had any kind of courage, he would step aside and let Mike Pence Run for president because mike pence is at least qualified and donald trump is not. Charlie, what do you think about ryan has tried to play this kind of arms length game, paul ryan in wisconsin which is where you are. Hes tried to play this arms length game. He didnt endorse, but then did endorse but not in stirring
terms. Hes campaigning with him and hes campaigning with him tomorrow. Yeah. The republicans of wisconsin right now are at def con 1. I heard from one who said im in tears the over this. At this point its hard for me to imagine that this would go ahead that youd have donald trump on the stage with paul ryan and scott walker and ron johnson and every other prominent republican. Is this going to be same old same old where nothing ever matters and it will blow over or is it possible that this is career ending, to stand next to a guy who is talking about Sexual Assault and find some way to do that. So im guessing that right now theres a tremendous amount of scrambling. Theyre not going to cancel this event. This is a major event for republicans in wisconsin, but i would not be surprised if donald trump suddenly realized that maybe he should spend some time doing some debate prep rather than coming to elkhorn, wisconsin tomorrow. This is a real test. If the cancellation happened,
it would be trump not going as opposed to ryan pulling out . Right. Ryans not going to pull out. This is a major event in paul ryans own district. And the reality is this was something that was brokered by Reince Priebus, the chairman at the republican National Committee. Hes going to have to fix this because he got all of his loved ones together and here comes donald trump and hes got a suicide vest on, but it will take out everybody. The only way to solve this is for donald trump to figure out Something Else to do other than come to wisconsin tomorrow. People around here will be very surprised if this takes place tomorrow given that tape that you just played. Charlie just mentioned this idea, will this blow over like other things happen . Weve been through a variety of news cycles in terms the of things that donald trump has said or done or proposed that have been Head Snapping or have inspired a tremendous amount of offense or revulsion and hes still standing. I guess what i think is this
idea that he can be felled by something i think has been proven not true. But at this point hes behind. And i dont think this news cycle could help. No. Chris, it really isnt about him stepping aside. And i think that youre right that this event should not go on. But its going to have to be the party that steps away from donald trump. Donald trump is never going to give up this quest. Hes not going to step aside as i think he should. But its been an amazing thing to watch. But if they want to save the Republican Party there are people like me who have been faithful republicans. I am a hardnosed conservative. Oh, i know. Across the board. And i cannot abide this man. And if this man is going to represent the Republican Party, then im not going to want to have anything to do with it. I can tell you that i have these conversations all the time with my fellow nevertrump tpers. We want no part of a Republican Party thats exemplified by
donald trump. Thats why tomorrows breaking thats why watch what happens, because this will be a breaking point. This will be the distancing, the recognition that this is hurting among women, men who know women. Humans. Yes. Exactly. Yes. So heres the thing. Obviously theres been and i have to say my own personal sort of hierarchy of these things, theres probably 50 things worse he said or proposed than this, which i agree with this characterization of it is vile. Theres sort of conversations that happen i mean, i guess at one point what does panic do . The only way to transmute panic would be some sort of tactical shift at the top of the ticket away from the rnc, is that right, charlie . You might start seeing that soon. You do have these down ballot races. The conversation will switch very quickly to how do we save Everybody Else . How do we make sure that the stink gets washed off of the
people who are closest to donald trump, but it doesnt cost the senate and the House Of Representatives . And you are going to see that in a very short period of time, i think. This is, again, will this be different . I dont know. But the reality is that all of the crudity, all of the misogyny, all the infantile nature of this guy is just out there for display. I dont know how any politician stands next to him and justifies in any way saying, okay, yes, the man is talking about sexually assaulting women, groping women, but we should still make him the president of the united states. Thanks for making some time today. Appreciate it. Thank you. Joining me now the columnist for slate our degrading election gets the catchphrase it deserves. What do you do with this . Okay, so im laughing. Were laughing because its sort of gallows humor. Im glad that charlie used the phrase Sexual Assault over and over again. The point is not that donald trump said something lewd or is misogynistic. Or tried to have sex with a married woman. I dont care about that, but if he wants to bring up infidelity at the debate which hes been threatening to do but we know that donald trump is no paragon of marital faithfulness. Hes talking here about Sexual Assault. Theres a lawsuit that charges him with Sexual Assault and the details sound a lot like what he is basically bragging about doing here. You know, both in terms of kind of grabbing somebody against her will and also this kind of very dogged pursuit of a married woman. Come on, cheat on your husband. If you read the details of this lawsuit, it sounds like his m. O. And at the time, ivanka trump not at the time but later on when this became public, ivanka
trump dreefended her father by saying, i know my father and hes not a groper. Now he says that he is indeed a groper. A proud groper. And this becomes not just about donald trump says gross things on tape. I think this becomes an urgent question to ask at the debate on sunday. What did you mean when you said grab them by the im not allowed to say this on msnbc right. How many times have you done that . Theres a whole question its not just about sex anymore. Its about predation. Lets also remember that one of the men who is advising donald trump is roger ailes. Is roger ailes. Whose lawsuits in which he and his daughters have denied as alleged in Gretchen Carlsons lawsuit and others over a variety of decades was essentially using his position of power to do precisely what
donald trump talks about doing. And donald trump is there bragging that this is kind of what hes able to use theyll let you do anything. His power to do. So i think that Doesnt Matter where maybe this is the election that nothing matters. But on the one you know, hes already losing. Just about the worst week of his campaign. And sort of like rats from a sinking ship element to this in that people who maybe would have been able to defend him if he was at 48 in the polls would be less likely to defend him hen he needs to be able to muster some degree of his very fragile selfcontrol for debates that are coming up on sunday. What do you think about this like bill clinton, its so clear that they somehow think that the invocation of bill clinton is just universally exculpating, that its like some magical forcefield in which as soon as you say bill clinton and women, you cant be touched by anything. Well, i think thats been
kind of he sees that as the nuclear option. Every so often, i didnt go there. I could have said something, right. But both they think its this sort of alibi where they think it proves liberal hypocrisy, i also think that because donald trump is such a kind of such a bonedeep sexist, i think that he thinks that it discredits Hillary Clinton to be cheated on by bill clinton more than it discredits somebody to cheat, right . Because its all kind of about dominance and cuckolding. You need a primatologist to understand his displays of dominance. His attacks on women is less about eroticism and attraction and more about getting over on some other guy. Thanks for being with me. Appreciate it. Coming up, more on the
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donald trump would probably not date it. One thing is this is not an isolated incident. No, not at all. Its not like i mean, there are people people can be caught on tape saying a thing that reflects poorly on them that is not necessarily a deep character trait, but its hard to make that argument here. Right. So donald trump has this decades long record on the record of women talking about what a creep he can be to them. And its like we just sort of glossed over it until now when hes admitting it. How many women have to say hes a creep before we believe them . We had to wait until donald trump actually admitted he is a creep before everyone was like, oh, hes a creep. This is popping into the timeline here, the New York Times was told by miss utah in 1997, he kissed me directly on the lips. I thought gross, he was married to marla maples. Mr. Trump disputed this saying
hes reluctant to kiss women on the lips. Hes like a kissing magnet. Just cant stop himself from kissing. You had this whole piece, which is great, about sort of this idea that hes a pickup artist. Yeah. What was that . If you dont spend time in the garbage dumps of the internet like i do and its a philosophy that men kind of embody where if they bully women, push them around, if theyre rude to them, they Cannent Wally Kind of dominate and take from them what they want. This is not something that trump subscribes to, but he just kind of lives it. He talked about heidi klum not being a ten. That feels like a lifetime ago. A lifetime of donald trump misogyny ago. Thats where its putting someone down so they want to impress a person more. Theres this whole sort of in the garbage dumps of the internet, sort of bizarre very sad and pathetic sort of
ideology of male domination called the pickup artistry. Yeah. I feel like theres also this crazy ideological substrate of this about what is okay and whats not okay. I find it gratifying to see these republicans saying, yeah, not cool. It is really interesting to see that. It was interesting to hear in first part of the show hearing Charlie Sykes use the word Sexual Assault many times which is what donald trump was talking about doing, which is Sexual Assault. If you grab someone in a sexual way that doesnt want to be grabbed, then youre sexually assaulting them. It goes beyond old school sexism, Like Old School cartoon bully sexism, beyond whats normal, beyond whatever should be acceptable. In terms of the drama of this election, of course, this is who Rebecca Tracer once wrote this great line, of course, of course, the first female. If a woman can be president , of
course the person she will have to vanquish, the person shell have to get past is this person. Despite all this, despite the fact that this is like the most open secret in the history of open secrets. We know this is how he made his name in the hes still polling at 45 . Thats still not enough to disqualify him for 40plus percent of the population. Hes winning men by a healthy margin. Not so much College Educated men as the ones without College Degrees, but guys without College Degrees love him. I think its partly because hes an aspirational figure to them. He treats women the way they wish they could treat women and hes successful. He represents the way they wish they could act, the way they feel they deserve to be treated. A certain kind of person who thinks a certain kind of way about what it is to be a powerful, dominant man. Sure. He is aspirationally a jerk. And women voters are not buying it. No. Weirdly enough. No, its weird that women
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