No doubt. None. What the white house still wont admit about russia. The president doesnt semiwhat happened. Why . It is pretty clear youre the puppet. All in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes with Senate Republican leadership clinging to their plan to ram through a deeply Unpopular Health care bill, the one person who would be expected to seal the deal, the president of the United States, is only making matters worse. After delaying a key procedural vote yesterday when it failed to earn enough republican support, Senate LeaderMitch Mcconnell has not abandoned his strategy of negotiating the bill in secret and then forcing a vote as quickly as possible. Now he is planning on finishing revisions to the bill this friday. When lawmakers leave town for the july 4th recess. That would give them about a week, setting up another vote shortly after senators return. The holdout senator republicans, at least eight or nine of them, dont appear to be much closer to concensus. They said that tinkering wont do it, according to the huffington post. It is hard for me to see how we get there. I think a better approach would be to involve some moderate democrats in the process. That approach is unlikely to please folks like. Keeping obamacare subsidies, creating a new big federal bailout. Conservatives dont like those ideas so the bill has to become more conservative. It has to be more of a repeal bill. Making matters worse, new polls show the bill has almost no public support. As polarized as this country is now, an overwhelming number of americans agree on something. They donal like this bill at all. It has 17 approval in one poll, 16 in another, and in a third, an astonishing 12 . At this point, republicans dont sound optimistic. Is a deal over this possible by friday . Pig can fly. Today while republican senators were busy meeting in private chambers, protesters were out in full force, carping out in hall ways, many getting arrested including once again at least one activist in a wheelchair. This evening, demonstrators and democratic lawmakers have been marching around the capital to voice their opposition. Given the many hurdles, the senate could use a high profile advocate. And lean on republican senators to take a deal. But attempts by the president of the United States to play that role so far seem to have back fired badly. Because he appears to have nowhere near he grasp of policy required to make an affirmative case for the bill. According to the weekly standard, several senators who have spoken with the president with the legislation describe an executive with little apparent understanding of the basic principles of the forms. The Washington Post reports in private conversations on capitol hill, the president is often not taken seriously. And after a meeting yesterday, one senator who supports the bill departed with a sense, and i quote here, the president did not have a grasp of some basic elements of the senate plan and seemed especially confused when moderate republicans claimed that points of the bill would cast it as a massive tax break. The president said he planned to tackle tax reform later ignoring the tax implications. This morning, the president responded, some of the Fake News Media likes to say im not totally engaged in health care, wrong. I know the subject well and want victory for the u. S. We are looking to america would be a fantastic tribute to our country. Health care that will take care of people finally for the right reasons and also at the right cost. What also came out is that this health care would be so good, it would be far better than obamacare and would be much less expensive for the people. And actually, much less expensive for the country. I think this has a chance to be a great health care. All the bad parts of obamacare are gone. Essentially, a repeal and replace. Joining me now, youre both shaking your heads. I mean, he doesnt know whats in the bill at all. It didnt matter in the senate. It will probably matter at some point. I suppose so. He has neither intellect nor the temperature perlt to be the president. He doesnt know anything. Inreminded of that scene in blazing paddles, work, work, work. So i think he is foolish. And i think actually what is happening is there is now more than just chatter. I think there was some motion by some of the democrats. Some of the republicans. Maybe they can do a deal. Maybe they can work on the exchanges. Thats really interesting. The why that there would be a kind of jail break. Like i dont, i want to play devils advocate here. Maybe it doesnt matter. Mitch mcconnell kind of knows what hes doing. The president obviously has no grasp of this. Everyone knows it. So they can ignore him and let mcconnell do it. The risk is that there is some kind of jail break. Right. And you cant ignore himmest eats up every bit of seasonablory in the room. Although Mitch Mcconnell, with an ordinary president , a normal president , Mitch Mcconnell would have somebody who could advocate for this bill and push it. What hes got is a guy who is dumber than a sack of hair and has no grasp of anything about the issues of health care, including the words health and care. This is not a man who can help Mitch Mcconnell push this through and all hes done is divide the Republican Caucus. For instance, he made an enemy for life of dean heller when he put a Million Dollars of worth of tv up of a republican senator who wasnt tow whaeg want. He wants a when, a ceremony, a piece of cake and a pat on the head. To say time win here wins. But mcconnell cant count on trump. Trump is going to be there who has the potential to set the whole oblg fire at any moment. Heller announced he was opposed. He seemed like pretty hard no. He called the chief of staff to confirm that it was beyond stupid according to republicans. Heres what ill say. To ricks point, he made an enemy for life. The one thing about donald trump is no, permanent friends and no permanent enemies. Thats the thing. I do think in a weird way, the fact there is literally no substantive agenda here, no goal, it does give them ability to be emnebltly flexible about whatever comes before him. In a negotiation, usually the white house has things they want. He doesnt have anything. He doesnt care. He just wants a deal. You can tell he doesnt know anything when he says a health care. What does that mean is this a health care for the American People . It is beyond absurd. We dont have a parliamentary system. Er you have two fashions within the republican party. Crass sitting on the side line. Who will pick it up and say okay. This is what well do. The only way we can make deal is x, y and z. Right now theyre kind of paralyzed. You can have 100 people saying that or 435 people. I dont want to leave the Republican Caucus out of this. Bob corker is seen generally as a serious senator. I think the never trump senators will almost him. This goes bigger than the presses. I wanted to make sure, this is corker, that were cutting taxes for the wealthy and for lower income citizens, passing a lower burden on to them. Okay. Told that what he described is what the cbo projected. So that needs to be overcome then, doesnt he . Which either he is derelict in his duties and doesnt know what the bill does, or he is lying about it. The United States senators have to show some concern, grasp and command fundamentally. Dont you agree, rick . Well, look. I think this is an enormously consequential bill. And i think senator corker, who is a bright guy and i like him a lot. Theyve seen this roll out after a group of insurance crafted in secret just like it happened in obamacare. Version 1. 0. This is things that huge crony capitalists miss. As conservatives, you should oppose this particular bill. It doesnt do the things that made obamacare in the first place. They were absolutely involved in every step of the aca. That process played out over 14 months. The reason he didnt know what was going on, i think they did just craft it and sprung on it them like they did on us. I think the reality is that republicans dont care enough about policy. You have republicans voting on this who do not know that medicaid serves more than unemployed poor people. Thank you. Thanks as always. Im joined now by tim this kane of virginia. One of your lines of attack was that the president had no experience and no actual command of policy. He didnt really know what he was doing when it came to governing. How does that max with what youre seeing now in terms of how much command you have over this Health Care Bill . Well, it is a big mystery, were very worried about that. Were really focused on what the president promised. Nobody will lose coverage. Nobody will pay more. Nobody will get kicked around with the preexisting condition. And he promised i wont cut medicaid and i wont give a tax break to the wealthiest. So our whole thing is, whatever you do, if you give us a sploogs meets those promises, were going to be all for you. But were not going to vote for something that shatters the promises you made. Thus far, the house version and the senate version, it absolutely shatters them. Do you think the president understands that these bills break promises he made . I think he must. When you say nobody will lose coverage and the cbo says how about 22 Million People . The evidence is right in his face. So i sort of conclude that maybe the promises arent that important to him. I felt that all along the way too. I want you to look at something theyve said, in normal realtime dollars concerns, it goes up every year he and therefore it hand been cut is that therefore the promise has not been violated. I think thats completely wrong. If medicare is growing and medicaid costs are growing and then you wax ratchet the care down, thats why the cbo says youre cutting 800 billion out of medicaid program. He is trying on spin it his way. The parents of kids who get services through medicaid are so frightened of this bill. I want to play something. It seemed like a real innext moment. There does seem to be some interest. Heres Lindsey Graham talking about a bipartisan solution. If we dont Reach Agreement by friday, probably the end of a sole party effort for health care. If for some reason it fails i think a better approach would be to try to involve them. What do you think . Heres what i think. Theyre talking the right way but there is a simple solution. Let the senate be the senate. Take the republicans point, lets hear from doctors from hospitals and propose amendments and improve it. Im on the Health Committee. Ive been on it since january 3rd. Weve had hearings. Theres only one taboo topic right now west cant have a hearing about health care. It is ridiculous. Is that genuinely true . You have not had a Health Care Hearing in the Health Committee . We had one hearing in late february or early march. And it was about instability in the individual marketplace. There were some great ideas. Since the bill was put on the table, weve had no hearing about the house bill. No hearing about the senate bill. And normally, what do these hearings do . They are so you can hear from witnesses, hospitals, parks, pharmaceutical recommends, they can say heres what they like and dont like and what do you know to fix it. So they want to bypass the committee so there can be no public hearings. Snfr bottom line are they going on get a deal that they can work . Bad process means bad product. This slashing of taxes in some ways, and you followed this, there were two different versions in the house before they got it out. Now were looking for version three in the senate. Many details have been changing. What is the one that hasnt changed . The massive tax cut. If they insist, theyll have no option but to do massive harm and break all of President Trumps promises. Theres no way they can find a deal with republican thats wont shatter President Trumps promises. Thats why they ought to open it up to the public. And. Thank you for your time. You bet. Absolutely. Coming up, the important detail that seems to be missing. Trying to sell the Health Care Bill. What they are proposing is actually any good. Maxine waters and the bad sales job after this twominute break. I think well get everybody together and be able to do this. We have to. If we dont do it, well have centralized medicine and thats it. They are eager to talk about obamacare but theyre having a hard time talking about the merits of their own bill. How, for instance works the National Bill improve the Nations Health care system . When the Congressional Budget Office says it will increase the number uninsured by 22 million in ten years compared to what would happen under the current law with. Me now, Maxine Waters of california. Sean spicer tweeted this today. 28 million americans remain uninsured. They need relief now. I would imagine you would agree with that. We have to be clear about the difference between obamacare, the aca, and trump care. Clearly, the estimation is that 22 Million People will Lose Health Care coverage under trump care. As you know, obamacare provided comprehensive Health Care Coverage for americans in ways that we never have before. And just think about the fact that under obamacare, preexisting conditions were now covered. Were talking about people with diabetes, cancer, people who have been turned down, who had no home of getting health care. All of a sudden under obamacare, now these preexisting conditions were covered. Theres nothing in trump care that can actually match that. Basically what they were going to do was leave it up to the states, literally to decide whether or not they were going to cover preexisting conditions. And there are other aspects that would be detrimental. What youre describing, the ability to price differentiate is in the house bill. It is a little unclear how much thats in the senate which is being considered. I wonder if you think it is interesting that theyve seen, the white house and the advocates, dont seem to be defending the bill on its own terms. But rather in these terms of, it doesnt cut medicaid and will cover more people. Thats not true. Take for example, the state of kentucky. Almost onethird of those people. In state are covered by medicaid. So theyre talking about eliminating 700 billion in trump care bill. So thats no way they can say that theyre going to do more coverage than obamacare. So i dont really know what theyre talking about. Do you feel like, i guess ill ask the question that i asked senator kane before. Is there any Common Ground . Or has the process been so fundamentally dishonest that there is nothing to talk about . I dont know. A long time ago democrats recognized that despite obamacare was extraordinary in the way that it offered insurance to so many millions who had not been able to get insurance they realized it was not a perfect bill. And they would be willing to talk with republicans about it. But no, this new president guaranteed in the campaign that he was going to undo obamacare on the first day of his presidency. And he talked about how it was no good, that they were going to destroy it. What theyve discovered is that many publics know that obamacare is good for their district. And theyre not about to go home having voted for it. You take senator capito, for example. I understand in west virginia, they have largest coverage of medicaid patients in the country. So i think of course we know now that not enough senators were willing to vote for trump care and thats why they could not pass it. I am very please that had it was stopped, not by us so much as republican whos would not support it. Of course weve been working very hard in our town Hall Meetings to educate people with the advantages of obamacare and how bad trump care would be for this country. And of course, if you paid attention to the town halls, you will see that there were some republican whos came to town halls, who agreed once they heard how it all worked. Thank you for being with us. Youre absolutely welcome. Were just delighted that they were not able to pass it or get it off the floor. We home they will understand that the people know now difference between obamacare and trump care. 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