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MSNBCW All In With Chris Hayes August 21, 2019

And an msnbc news exclusive ben collins, behind the most viewed news concept on facebook and youtube. And now you can try it yourself by clicking that button below. And all in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. Back in 1971 pat bu canon wrote a memo to president nixon arguing nixons path to reelection was via waging ruthless culture wars. Nix nixon buchanan argued, he said we will, quote, cut the Democratic Party and the country in half. My view is we would have far the larger half. Donald trump now has the same strategy but with an amazing wrinkle which is that he has the smaller half. Donald trump is rerunning the nixon play book but inside of a silent majority, he has allowed minority. But and this is the craziest part of all, its been successful so far. He is running the country despite receiving just 46 of the vote. He lost the popular vote by 3 million votes. Just so happens the coalition he put together is better distributed for the purposes of electoral college. Everywhere you look right now trump is digging into the strategy of high risk culture lines where he has the smaller half. The president , though, only remembers it worked the first time around. Atlantic david graham writes, quote, recent polling shows that donald trump has managed to reshape American Attitudes to a remarkable extent on key issues, race, immigration and trade. Theres just one catch, the public is turning against trumps views. On a day he toips to baselessly accuse congresswoman Rashida Tlaib of violence he continued his stream of insulting taunts with this. Where has the Democratic Party gone . Where have they gone where theyre defending these two people over the state of israel . And i think any jewish people that vote for a democrat, i think it shows either a total lack of knowledge or a great disloyalty. All right . Im sorry, 80 of jewishamericans voted for democrats. Youre with us or against us, trump likes to say at basically every turn. And it is true, and this is the important part. It is working with one specific demographic astoundingly well. White men in this country without a College Education of whom there are millions distributed throughout the country particularly in the midwestern u. S. , key to trumps 2016 victory, they just happen to be in the right place for him. And trumps message is clearly working with them. Look at these wild numbers from the latest nbc news wall street journal poll. 70 of white mean approve of trump. What pumps up support among that subgroup at least in the ways trump does it also has the effect of alieniating just about everyone else. And hes losing them by enormous margins. But if you just look at white people, white voters in the quadrupt opposite men with a high school education, women with a College Education, theyre basically a mirror image. 72 disapprove while 26 approve. Now, that group only voted for Hillary Clinton by 6 points in 2016. That is a 40point drop for trump. And there are white men with a College Education. Normally a republican group. Here trumps under water by 7 points. Finally there are white women with a high school degree, okay . In 2016 they went for trump by almost 30 points. Now he only has a 4point edge. Look at that. And for all the talk about how the trump ledge is about the nonworking white class, these men work for the same companies and face a challenge or worse like men without a degree. They also have watched loved ones succumb to opioid addictions, all the same issues and trump is barely holding on there. Thats the state of play right now. Trump thinks he can run this strategy that cleaves the country into two chunks where he gets 40 plus . He thinks he can win and govern with that 40 plus percent. And it is a wild test of american mechanics to see if that is going to work a second time. Remember the things trump does to consolidate his base also alienates people. They announced they were endorsing trumps reelection, one of their Board Members Jennifer Horn decided it was too much for her. And she was telling the washington post, quote, there is no world where i can sit down at the dining room table and explain to my children i just endorsed donald trump president. Thanks for joining me. First, i guess your history in American Party politics, you have a very active member of the party and a valued conservative for a while. Yeah, i absolutely have been. I was the nominee for congress in the Second District up here in 2008. I served two terms as chairman of the New Hampshire republican party, and i very proudly was very honored to be recruited oo serve on the board of National Log Cabin republicans, an organization i joined believing it would be the opportunity to engage in a principle fight to expand civil rights for all americans. And this is, you know, one of it reasons why im so adamantly oppose to this president and this endorsements because he does not support civil rights for all americans. What has he done that to you makes an endorsement from the log cabin republicans inathema . The question is what hasnt he done . I made this decision a long time ago when i first got involved in politics i would never say or do anything i could not explain or defend to my own children. I ticked off a lot of republicans because when donald trump was running and he became our nominee i had to choose between defending our partys principles or defending our partys nominee and i defended our principles. And i continue to try to do that today. Whether were talking about transgender rights, the recommendation coming out of hud, some of the actions being rolled back through doj, protecting transgender students. I mean the list goes on and on. But its not just the Lgbtq Community this president targets. When we look at immigrants, people anyone that he thinks he can somehow use to anger his base, to he doesnt care if he has to divide on racial lines, on ethnic lines, on educational lines. He will divide and damage and destroy this country in any manner he thinks he need to advance his own political power. Did you vote for him in 2016 . I did not. Was that the first time you hadnt voted for a republican nominee . It was the first time in my life i did not vote for the republican nominee. I did vote republican. You voted republican other than donald trump . Yes, yes. Oh, you wrote in someone . I did, i did. Is that your plan this time around or you feel like given everything youve articulated about him that you will vote for the democratic nominee . I cant imagine voting for a democratic nominee because i am a conservative. I do believe in the Core Principles of the party of lincoln. I dont know what im going to do in 2020 other than i will not be voting for donald trump. Can i ask you this, its interesting because we were just doing this whole demographic analysis and demographics are participated with broad brushes and millions of people are diverse and they have millions of views with them. Youre a white woman, and youre a white woman republican. What are the conversations you have with the people in your Social Circle who are similar, who are republicans and are generally in the social form strata as you . There are truly few people in my Social Circle who agree with my position. I think those numbers are reflective not just of my sushlg but of the electorate here in New Hampshire as well. You know, one of the things people are not looking at very closely and i think they should is how fewer people identify as republican today than they did on the election day in 2016. Its enough to sway an election in many states including New Hampshire. So i think that those numbers that you referenced are very reflective of whats happening across the country. Jennifer horn, thank you for making some time tonight. Thank you for the invitation. I appreciate it. Joining me is Jeffrey Johnson and, dave, you know, theres a real kind of almost like demographic arbitrage that President Trump pulled off that he was able to take a 77,000vote margin throughout the industrial midwest and overcome a 3 million vote lost in the popular electorate and that same structure still exists, right . Thats true. Democrats have to be careful not to think of 2016 as a fluke because it is possible donald trump could lose the popular vote by 5 million votes in 2020 and still win reelection. Part of the reason is because most of the demographic change benefitting democrats nationally is occurring in states that are not near the Tipping Point of the electoral college, particularly california and texas where democrats could afford to add a million votes to their lead, their margin in california when not a single additional electoral vote cut trumps lead by 800,000 in texas and still fall short there. So the key is really do democrats nominate a candidate who can break through particularly, and this is the group that im most focused on, white women without College Degrees who dont attend church regularly. I think thats the key demographic in the midwest. Joshua, theres a broader question here just of the basic structure of Democratic Politics were confronted with. The weird version of the buchanan play which is cut the country in half and well get the bigger half, and in the 72 election they did. Even though they committed some illegal crimes on their way to doing that. Theres a question what does it mean for democratic legitimacy and representational legitimacy in which a country theres a decent strategy to govern 45 or 43 of the country . I think thats why democrats have been trying so hard to shore up every single piece of the base. The analysis we just heard is very wellput, and i think its a lesson democrats need to take seriously because thats what happened in 2016. There were just enough people in just the right places President Trump could eke out a victory. He could lose michigan and pennsylvania, keep all the other states that he won, and win reelection. I think that part of what ive been seeing from the democrats, particularly on the campaign trail at some of the events like the union forum in ne forum for nativeamerican voters and others, having three of candidates speak is to telegraph theyre broadening the coalition across the country. And it feels like the messaging is we really do want everybody to the polls, not just to have voter access but recognize we the democrats are the party of all the people. And if that message is effective then maybe democrats who chose to stay home in 2016, enough democrats who would have flipped the election will say, no, no, this is a party that speaks for me and all americans, i better show up. Theres two different pockets of voters. Theres the iconic obama swroeters and also the people who voted for barack obama in 2012 and did not show up in 2016 at all. Those are generally different sets of people. When we talk about the subgroups the margins everywhere matter. Right, if you do a little better among every group, which is possibility, that enough could be it. Its not like you have to pick some like subcategory. Yeah, the question i hear a lot is do democrats try and turn back the clock and win a higher share of working class whites or do they try and revert to turning out more africanamericans and young people who didnt show up in 2016 . I think the answer is it has to be a little bit of both. And in order to do that, i think democrats can use a few issues in particular to drive wedges into the trump coalition. I think background checks and abortion rights in particular are issues that divide elements of trumps base particularly in those midwestern states. I think youre right on both of those, and i think particularly in the wake of the specter of roe being overturned. Yeah wu, its interesting because we hear so much about issues that have come forward in the democratic primary, for instance, decriminalizing unauthorized entry or medicare for all. And theres some polling that decriminalizing unauthorized entry isnt particularly popular, but overturning roe is like a 37 issue. And when you look at those gender splits particularly among white women or white men without College Degrees theres some ground to be made there. Certainly as i looked at that poll its worth noting men with College Degree and white women without College Degrees are within the margin of error. Men with College Degrees are about a percentage point outside, women without College Degrees are outside the margin of error. Those who were kind of voting for trump while holding their nose and, where and now theyre looking at the election and saying my lot in life is better. I dont know how much he tweets and i wish he would be a little nicer but based on what i asked him to do for me and for the country, im good. Im not sure yet if the democrats have made enough of a case to make those voters go i need to reconsider. But if they cant, they will lose because we already know how they lost the last time. If cay cant pull enough voters to their side like, okay, trump theyre going to lose in 2020. The woman we just interviewed is an interesting case. She wrote in someone else. Thats a vote thats essentially a blank vote in terms of the ledger. But the question is like if she does that again, how many of those people, right, are actually motivated to make the affirmative choice i cant do this anymore. While i was speaking i looked at the log cabin republican statements and they talked about President Trump putting more money into fighting hiv aids which is true. He also has been fighting against the affordable medicare act and medicaid. They talked about how the president s employment plan, the job programs have been good for lgbtq people. But last week the president propagated a proposed Labor Department rule and a statement to the Supreme Court that would make it easier for businesses, federal and private, to discriminate against lgbtq people with impunity. So it may come down to people reading between the lines and saying what does everything that the administration has done, and does it behoove me to vote for him again. Thank you both. Next, a Trump Administration that has seen multiple Migrant Children die in its custody has now decided to stop providing flu vaccines at border camps. Dont go anywhere. Camps dont go anywhere. We learned today the Trump Administration will not be providing the flu vaccine to immigrants held in its detention centers. Quote neither cbp nor its medical contractors administer vaccinations to those in our custody. They claim theyre doing this because immigrants are only supposed to be in their custody for 72 hours or less. Aside from the egregious cruelty hear one would think perhaps the injury strong cbp union that so vociferously supports the president would maybe i dont know want to have working facilities where there isnt the constant threat of flu epidemics, maybe. This comes on the heels yesterday of a sweeping Class Action Lawsuit filed against the Trump Administration over the absolutely horrible medical care in immigration centers. This is all the latest in a constant series of policies and actions do deter people from migrating to the u. S. The seek asylum by convincing them our administration hates them, will make their lives miserable and perhaps endanger their health. Joining me now is senator murkily, the author of the new book america is better than this trumps war against migrant families. Good to be here. First your reaction to this policy decision that they will not provide flu vaccines to families that arrive at detention facilities. Is this america . That we have refugee children three of whom have died of flu last year . Specifically of flu. It was a contributing factor in their death and we have people packed in tight spaces. Ive seen maybe 150 people packed into very small rooms, and disease travels enormously in that situation, so why would we not provide a vaccine when people come in . They say they dont do them well change your mind and do them. They said, well, we dont do that. Well, change your policy and do that. I mean, part of it seems to me these facilities that are designed to hold people for less than 72 hours where they dont have programs in place to do these kinds of things are now Holding People for 30 and 40 days. Theres a crazy mismatch between what the facility is designed to do that becomes a longterm place where people have to get, you know, the basics of life. Well, cbp facilities they have held people for several weeks. They do attempt to move people out in three to five days. But three to five days is plenty for flu to spread among the population. And this is just part of this ongoing strategy for example this mass action lawsuit that says that trump appealed to say, well, we dont want to be held to the law to provide hygiene and nutrition. Are you kidding me . For refugees, for children, for people fleeing persecution, were not going to provide just the basics when people come into this country . Theres news tonight thonigh theyre planning on trying to tear up or change the torres settlement. Its a civil suit by the plaintiffs parties and the government that guides the detention of minors particularly families. And it will permit family detention yond the 20 days that is currently the limit by flores. What do you think of that . Well, if we go back a year last june in 2018 the trump team held a press conference with the president or a whole bunch of senators and said were ending child separation. But the fact is the document that was in front of the president didnt end child separation. That was done by a judge what it did was have three strategies in i

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