Congregation seats 1400 people, more than half of the pews were empty. And protesters gathered outside saying no hate in the white house. If this was an attempt by team trump to improve his bleak polling with black voters, he has a long way to go. A usa today poll shows him with 2 of the black vote and lower share than jill stein and gary johnson. Now for your reference, president bush won with 11 of the black vote in 2004. And then the 9 he received in 2000. And the message yesterday was different than the way he addressed audiences in rerecent weeks. How different . Quite different. Want to help you build and rebuild detroit and we can do that. Half of all detroit residents do not work and cannot work and cant get a job. Nothing is more sad than when we sideline young black men with unfulfilled potential, tremendous potential. You are living in poverty. Your schools are no good. You have no jobs. 58 of your youth is unemployed. You do right every day by your community and your families. You raise children in the light of god what the hell do you have to lose. It cant get any worse than what it is right now. Things are going to turn around. Tomorrow will be better. It will be much better. Ill be able to make sure that when you walk down the street in your inner city or wherever you are, you are not going to be shot. Your child isnt going to be shot. I fully understand that the Africanamerican Community has suffered from discrimination and that there are many wrongs that must still be made right. And i think were going to do great with africanamericans and with the hispanic. And joining me now is Mark Thompson of sirius xm and matt welsch and paris dennard. Thank you for being here. And paris, right to you on this because we are trying to get more on the back story of how this event came together and there were twists and turns whether he would speak and he did do 12 minutes as we said. Can you tell us about the construction of that those written remarks. Who was involved in writing them . Again, i do not work for the campaign. Im a person who is a volunteer, as a surrogate and work for the National Coalition university for trump but i could tell you, mr. Trump, like he said, wrote up those remarks you are saying he wrote those remarks . You think he wrote those remarks . That is what mr. Trump said, that he wrote the remarks and it is true to his form and he took them out of his pocket and it happened there for him to read. And it was sincere. And it was directly appropriate because of the nature of the audience and the type of atmosphere he was in. There are two types of speech that could be given back to your earlier point. This was a speech of remarks at a church. He was invited for a Church Service. So it was appropriate for him to have a tone and different type of delivery at a Church Service as juxtaposed to being at a rally or major event. And i think the speech went over well. And earlier you mentioned his poll numbers, a survey monkey poll mentioned him at no, i didnt. And in terms of president ial preference, that is what you posted a few minutes ago. Well, paris, lets go to you Mark Thompson. Donald trump has this way of reading remarks in which he seems to be impressed by what he is reading, almost as if he is hearing it for the first time. Like, wow, that is true, as he reads them. And do you believe he prepared those remarks that he read yesterday. Thank you for having me. But he acted as if he knew something that the africanamerican culture didnt know. You know it. He was surprised they knew it. But it was hypocritical and ironic because that scripture in first john 4 it is book ended my mothers scripture and it begins about speaking with love not just with speech and words but with truth and action. And it also says to test spirits, because there are many spirits that are false prophets, just before that verse he read. So it is interesting that he would pick that because donald trump is a false prophet coming into an africanamerican church and never been in one before and never done anything on the behalf of the Africanamerican Community. A number of things well get into have shown him to be discriminatory toward the Africanamerican Community. And what do you make of those remarks, your response to that, paris . I think it is irresponsible and it is wrong and it is false. Mr. Trump has had a continued engagement and relationship for a very long time with the Africanamerican Community. How so . When . Going back to when he opened up his properties in florida to africanamericans and to jews when he opened up property to reverend Jesse Jackson when they needed office space and when he was the executive on the apprentice and the amount of africanamericans on the show that he promoted. You saw that even now during the primary campaign when he met several times with africanamerican leaders, clergy and Business People. And then when he became the nominee of the gop, an extended effort and the National Diversity coalition is worked for over a year in support of mr. Trump. It is a continued effort. Whether you want to believe it or question it, that is fine. But the truth is while mr. Trump has been engaging with the community for the past two weeks secretary clinton is hiding and doing fundraisers and refusing to talk to the press. As more of the facts come out about what he is doing and she continues to do, we should point out the fact it is a good thing that the gop nominee cares and wanted to engage and be the president of all people. This is what you do. You are doing a very long speech but you mentioned in those extended remarks and i wanted to let you completely get your thoughts out because every time ive had you on you go to those particular wells. You mentioned his engagement with black celebrities, so allowing rich black people come to mara logo at a time when building his brand depending on people like mike tyson and russell sims and sean puffy combs and mentioned him renting space to Jesse Jackson and maybe we could get in touch with reverend jackson because he made him also a quasi endorser of trump in your remarks hold on a second. Well try to get in touch with reverend jackson. I think it is only fair, that if you keep invoking him, he gets to respond. And you mention celebrity apprentice, you are engaging that as a substitution for the black community. Hold on a second. That is what they are. Those are black celebrities who donald trump has been associated with. Weve shown a couple of the pictures. So i want to ask why do you suppose the black celebrities who are the only people that you have just mentioned being engaged with, why are none coming out and endorsing him and where is Russell Simons and where are the black celebrities that he opened the hotel to, where are they. Mr. Trump is not a career politician. So in the course of his career, as a business developer, as a celebrity on his shows, that was his engagement. But why arent they endorsing him . Why isnt mike tyson and Russell Simons, and if he was a great advocate for their civil rights why did mike tyson say no thank you to coming to the Rnc Convention and none of the celebrities who you say he has engaged with have come out and endorsed him. They havent come out and said anything negative. Russell simons rebuked him for the past position on race, including Racial Discrimination against regular order nair africanamericans who want to rent from him. That is veterconvenient now he is running. But what people understand even Herschel Walker talk when you support a republican or somebody like trump is Herschel Walker endorsing trump . If he is not, he is not relevant to the conversation. I want to bring in the rest of the panel. Your thoughts. I think it is remarkable that that was his first time as far as we know in a black church, to be a leader of the new York Business community, a person who has been involved in politics and never to have stepped foot in a black church is shocking. And i think it is amazing, to see, as the segment showed, the difference between the tenure about what he says about africanamericans and he kind of barks at africanamericans when black people arent there and then the calm and measured way he talked to black people for whatever it is sort of similar to what happened i think when you look at the difference between his speech in arizona and then and then the speech in the afternoon in mexico. But we talk about daytime trump and night time trump and there is also xanax trump and Dennis Hopper from blue velvet trump. And lets play that comparison. Because i think something is true and i want to get you in on this, matt, there was some similar dichotomy to the way he has made mexico the villain in his conversation that hes having with his supporters and the way he spoke when he was in front of the mexican president. Take a look. We recognize and respect the right of either country to build a physical barrier or wall on any of its borders to stop the Illegal Movement of people, drugs, and weapons. Deadly and it is deadly, nonhyphen forcemeno nonenforcement policies to freely walk our streets and walk around, do whatever they want to do, crime all over the place. Mexico does not like us. Mexico is not our friend. Mexico is the new china. Mexico will pay you mark my words i win and mexico pays. I have many friends. So many friends and so many friends coming to mexico and in mexico. They are bringing drugs. They are bringing crime. They are rapists. And some, i assume, are good people. The United States first second and Third Generation mexicans are just beyond reproach, spectacular, spectacular, hardworking people. So matt, you you do sort of see this day time and night time trump in the way he is communitying and that is a challenge that republicans have had in broadening the base because there is a difference in the way they talk about people of color to whip up the base and then they have to communicate with people. Republicans know they are not broadening their base for this cycle, for crying out loud. And the honest ones will say that and the dishonest ones will sit on their hands while donald trump talks about this stuff. Part of being a novice candidate, it is normal for a president ial candidate after labor day to go after the Africanamerican Community. Weve seen this happen before. But the discovery process of donald trump it is like we are the party of lincoln. And he told that and people said they dont know that. And in democratic cities run by Democratic People and there is a lot of africanamerican poverty and crime. Did you know that one, too. This is known. These playbooks have been used for a long time. He is not particularly sophisticated at it and it is not going to win any new converts to those line of arguments. In fact, his unfamiliarity with those arguments signal something deferential togeth different altogether and that is shows him in fourth place in Africanamerican Community and dozens of polls like this in this cycle. And paris, i will let you respond but we did get reverend Jesse Jackson and i think it is only fair for him to weigh so well hold you over after the break. And my folks will be back later in the show. But when i come back, i want to let reverend Jesse Jackson and before we go to break, lets look at this moment of zen from ben carson yesterday. I asked mr. Trump and said how did he go and what do you think he took away from today . My luggage oh, hold on. Okay. 73 of amecans try. To cook healthy meals. Yet up to 90 fall short in getting key nutrients from food alone. Lets do more. Add one a day mens 50 . 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So in 1998, or thereabouts, reverend jackson, we did go back to find out if there was backup for what paris said and you had positive words to say about donald trump back in 1998 and i believe he rented space to your wall Street Initiative and what was that about . He was working with president clinton as a progressive liberal and contributing to clinton at the time. We had Business People that were offering to blacks and latinos for the first time and it is the cause of this. [ inaudible ]. This is what he makes reference to and was reverted and since that time hes come out for the race of the working people and since that time the [ inaudible ]. And since that time we think it is rationally pertaining to civil rights. Are you saying essentially that the positive remarks that you made about him in 1998, you no longer feel that way today . Well i think people who Chris Williams and ron baylock could not get business on wall street. We tried to desegregate wall street. He was a part of that. But i had no idea until i heard about the Birther Movement that he even tried to disrupt president Barack Obamas candidacy as not being legitimate and he challenged the mexican trade and we lose more jobs and temporary workers and agencies and mexico relations and to ban muslims. Hes come out with this in the last 18 months or so, different than what he was 20 years ago. It is very different. And paris, what do you say to that . Because it doesnt sound as if those remarks from back to 1998 are operative for reverend jackson today. I think it shows that there is a narrative out there that says mr. Trump is never engaged with the black community and he has no relation with the black community and that is the narrative you all want to play and what this video, if you are to show it and to hear reverend jackson comment glowingly. But what about what he just said today. Are you going to you are going back to 1998. He said since then, what he has seen of donald trump, it is not so positive. Could you address what reverend jackson just said. And what he didnt talk about is why he was praising mr. Trump then and the fact that we could admit mr. Trump was engaged and doing in 1998 okay. Go on. For example, joy, he decries the guns and and with background checks and policy of the weapons and you wont raise minimum wages and they cant get medicaid. So as a politician and as a Public Policymaker, things were different at that time. I have to get mark in. But mark first and then jamil. Well, i condition help, im trying to keep a straight face. Joan was accurate xanax trump. Joy, you cant let that go on. That is grossly inappropriate. Im talking in pairs. Watch how you talk to somebody like that. It is grossly inappropriate to paris, paris because when people raise questions about Hillary Clinton and her health and we go all bonkers but when you claim somebody is on some type of a drug. That is wrong. It is a metaphor. And i think that is fair. What you think is fair, paris, but i hope the next time that i you ask not to use the term illegals you will have the same respond because weve had the conversation about the way we communicate about other people but i think it is fair but i think it has to go for everyone. So lets have mark finish his and paris, i didnt want to cut you off either. And what ive said is obviously hes changed positions at different times as hes always had but we are dealing with what is going on right now today. Now prior to whatever positive relationship he had with rainbow pushing good morning reverend jackson, we know his history prior to that. He was investigated by the department of justice. They had to sign a consent decree. He is running around talking about Hillary Clinton being dishonest about knowing what c meant on the emails, meaning classified. They required their building managers and intents to write c. On africanamerican applicants and we know what that meant then and it meant colored. So this doesnt change anything. Hes not the person that he was when he was working with the wall Street Project and when he was doing all of that and that was all well and g