Order doesnt undo the Johnson Amendment, which candidate trump promised to destroy. Only congress can do that. In fact theres a lot that candidate trump promised that President Trump didnt deliver in that executive order. So much so that the American Civil Liberties union didnt even bother to sue, calling it just a photo op and not worth spending much time or energy on since trump didnt do the things people really feared, like taking steps for making it easier for christian businesses to discriminate against gay people. Still, the fact is no group is more supportive of donald trump than white evangelicals and some of those supporters seem perfectly content with one religious leader calling the executive order an unexpected delight and pleasant surprise, even as other christian writers expressed disappointment. But thats not the only way donald trump is doing constituent service in his first months in office. Trump and his team are taking full credit for aprils job growth, the 87th straight month of job growth, by the way, calling it great news. But whos to blame for the weak Economic Growth figures released last week . Not trump, he just got here. But hes been here long enough to repeal and replace the Affordable Care act to hear trump tell it. He celebrated the halfcompleted milestone with his fellow characters from the monopoly board last week. His and paul ryans tax cut for the super rich posing as a Health Care Bill. Even the optics are exactly what you purchased, a reversal of the squishy multiculturalism of the obama era and a return of the good old days when men were men and the robber barons ran the world. Those are the good old days, right . The good times. The point is while the rest of us look at trumps week and saw the usual george w. Bush said the reason the oval office is round is because there are no corners you can hide in. There is truth to that. There is certainly no corners. Theres a certain openness but theres nobody out there. This is very ominous looking because of the red button. What does that get you it gets you a pepsi. I want to know your opinion, youre the president of the United States. Thats enough. Thank you. Thank you very much. How am i doing . Am i doing okay . Im president. Hey, im president. Can you believe it . That is not what Trump Supporters see. Its almost like they and the rest of americans are living in completely different universes. To probably most of you who watch this show, trump is already a failure, maybe even a economically obvious one. But to his loyal fans, hes already making them sick of all the winning. Kristen hagland, e. J. Dionne and National Republican consultant katin dawson. It really does strike me when we talk about donald trump, particularly here on this network and the main street media and the rest of the worl 60 of americans who think that trump is doing a poor job as president , we are seeing a different donald trump. Because if you spend most of your time watching fox news and reading conservative websites, they dont even see that stuff. They dont see that at all. They are seeing donald trump and being told he is successful. And there are some conservative and republican news letters and radio talk shows that do say, hey, we were never for donald trump from the beginning of the primary season and we are willing to thought fully criticize the president as well. So there is a little bit out there but its all about the optics and thats unfortunate. The medias job is to serve the truth to people and there should be a wide variety of viewpoints. I think at least for my generation, for younger political consumers in the 35 and under range, they are reading a wide diversity of material and taking both the good and the bad. People at the end of the day, theyre only going to be in the optics for so long. They want results. If this Health Care Bill does not work for them, they might not be as excited as they are now. Youre making an important point because fox news sort of median viewer is even older than msnbc. Its an older white man and to your point younger conservatives may be consuming something else. But evangelicals are the Strongest Group for donald trump. People were surprised that this guy who doesnt appear to have ever walked into a church, trump got 81 of their votes, Hillary Clinton only got 16 . If you look specifically inside of sort of white evangelicals, white catholics went 61 for trump. I mean approval. The general public only gives him a 39 approval rating. So to him in the pulpits that are not watching a. M. Joy but are in evangelical Christian White churches, theyre being told donald trump is incredibly successful, a strong leader and hes just delivered salvation through his executive order, right . Well, one thing you left out is white evangelical prolife voters and thats what made that voter comfortable with donald trump, even in the middle of off of the transgressions during the campaign. What he did was he firmed up that base and thats really smart politics. Thats most likely from steve bannon and reince priebus, good advice. Whether or not there are any teeth in the executive order or not doesnt matter. The optics are i delivered on that promise. So i do think that what youre seeing right now is a posturing for 2018. Were going to be talking about health care through 2020. The republicans right now in the house own it. They havent bought the whole package yet. The senate will change it. But were going to see a lot of health care coming through. That base is going to stay fairly solid because of what trump is doing. So politically, you know, a guy who went in as a very unconventional republican, who sort of told the Republican Party to go to hell early on in his campaign and then embraced them, hes in a pretty good place right now. E. J. , telling the Republican Party to go to hell strikes me is not hurtful to the exact same base youre talking about. I remember speaking with sort of conservative christian leaders back in 2004 who said, you know, were all going to get behind george w. Bush, but if he doesnt deliver the rollbacks on abortion rights and gay rights that he promised us, theres going to come a time where were going to turn on the Republican Party. We want these things done. Donald trump came in and he said hes going to roll back the Johnson Amendment. He cant do it, right . Only congress can do it. But if you go through and talk about 401 wu1 c 3s not able to politic. Talking about it is a signal to the voters that unlike george w. Bush, who was a methodist, hes going to govern like he issage evangelical christian, right . Well, you know i agree with that. E. J. And then katon. I was struck by a couple of things. First, this executive order was so weak contentless, that it evoked that aclu press release, have they ever announced something they have done is so meaningless were not suing. But there are a lot of conservatives who said this may leave us weaker, what is he doing here . I think when we talk about the trump base, i probably quoted him before. Its one of my favorite lines on politics, barney frank. The base are the people who are with you when youre wrong. And so donald trump has a base. The question is, is it 40 or is it 25 or 30 . Because i think some of these stories chip away around the edges, that there are some evangelicals who look at this and will say its meaningless. There are some people on obamacare who will look at their Health Care Bill and say, wait a minute, i didnt think he was going to take away my health care. There was Rush Limbaugh of all people saying he cant even get his wall funded. So i think the question is does the base start to shrink. But some people with him stay with him right to the end. Richard nixon had 23 , i think, right when he resigned. Yeah. Ive got to play this donald trump because the way he even sort of talks about well, the way he speaks to evangelicals is sort of unique for a republican. This is donald trump back in july talking about getting rid of this infamous Johnson Amendment that not a lot of people Pay Attention to, but this is donald trump. Weve been looking at this for years but we never think about it. You know, and its like they got used to it. Its like something they wouldnt have brought up. But i brought it up. Were going to get rid of the Johnson Amendment. Its in our platform. I got it put in the platform of the Republican Party. Its in the platform of the Republican Party. And im very excited about it. I figure thats one way im getting to heaven. You know, katon, it strikes me this is one of Donald Trumps narrow casting approaches where the vast majority of people who heard it didnt know what he was talking about. The conservative tone most americans hear at church services, but in a lot of evangelical churches they are hearing a political message anyway to the point where the Washington Post reported that 2,000 mainly evangelical christian clergy have deliberately violated the Johnson Amendment as a form of protest against it. Only one has been audited by the irs. No one has punished. Its an issue that actually doesnt exist, but donald trump talking about it, narrow casts to people who know what that is and it signals to them even if this guy has never been to church, at least hes on our side, right . Well, when i was campaigning with rick perry, and he was running for president against donald trump, we met with probably 400 pastors. And there was fear in every audience. And what donald Trump Realizes now as president is not just South Carolina, lets move that off the board, ohio, one of the most evangelical states in the country, look at the rural map in ohio. The win of donald trump in ohio had a lot to do with this base thats there. Theyre a base that will tolerate a lot. They vote. They have to have an alternative. So while everybody is talking about Donald Trumps demise, you have to have an alternative to beat donald trump that won. There wont be a republican primary. So when you look at electoral politics, donald trump is being pretty smart. The interesting thing about that of course is when you go by age, you have younger conservatives who dont vote as much as their parents and grandparents obviously, who dont listen religiously to fox news. Who are they listening to . Are they as strong a devotee you said theyre getting information from different sources. Is the devotion to donald trump as strong among the children and grandchildren of these diehard evangelical White Christian voters as in their parents and grandparents. No, and the reason why is the church is changing as well. Honestly so many young people are leaving the church if they hear politics because the church should not be about scoring political points. Im a person of faith. It should be about serving people, loving people and young people see that. Unfortunately, this executive order, really all that it accomplished was allowing a base of his to be more politically outspoken. But i think that true leaders of the church, those that are not just there to score political points and to get influence, are going to hold the line and make sure politics dont influence them from the pulpit because they know their true influence is the dpagospel and service. Thats why their true influence should lie and theyre not going to be encouraged by this e. O. To speak more politically. Could i say amen to kirsten. I think shes absolutely right about younger evangelicals and there are some very shrewd and committed evangelical leaders who know that in the long run, this is not good for the church. And just to make another bad prediction, i think donald trump could have a primary. And Marco Rubio Might be the guy. So there, you can play this when im totally wrong. And we will. Well play it back. I suspect leaving out the lgbt stuff out of that executive order might have been because the christian generation is out there and theyre trying to Pay Attention to them. Stick around. We have a starstudded show today. Neil degrass tyson is here. But up next, voters in france are at the polls today with their very own donald trump on the ballot, and she might have her own Russian Hackers supporting her. Stay with us. Happy oneyear anniversary to a. M. Joy. 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Com myaccount tensions continue to escalate in france on the final day of the most tumultuous president ial campaign in recent history. Paris police have told nbc that an area at the louvre where centrist candidate Emmanuel Macron planned to celebrate has been evacuated due to a security threat. There was familiar controversy just before voting back when macron said his Campaign Emails were the targets of a massive and coordinated hack. Joining me now is christopher dickey, world editor at the daily beast, kim gaddis and back with me is e. J. Dionne. Chris, i have to reference the article that you wrote for the daily beast. You say that the Macron Campaign may have gamed the hackers. They absolutely were doing that for quite a while. The hackers have been attacking them since december and they have been able to identify those hackers as basically fancy bear or pawn storm or whatever we want to call them. Its the same group that hacked the dnc. Thats well established. Theres no surprise about that. Whether those are the hackers who dumped these documents, thats not well established. But we know that they have been going after them, these russianbacked hackers. And what they did was, they would get these fake signon pages through phishing, various phishing and spear phishing attacks and instead of saying dont answer them, they would answer them but put in false information, false data and sometimes try to flood the hacker sites with stuff that they would spend hours or days trying to figure out. That was their counterattack. Thats interesting because wikileaks even sort of was sucked in and fooled by it and they put out information that may have been false, which sort of discredits them too. Very interesting tactic by the Macron Campaign. Kim, macron has been characterized by the le pen forces as this wall streetesque corruptish figure, sort of similar to the way Hillary Clinton was characterized in the u. S. Election, but his platform is very interesting. Maternity leave for all women, defending the right to abortion, hes a supporter of remaining in the European Union, shorten the visa application process, meaning promoting talent visas for immigrants and no ban on the muslim vail for university students. He comes across as quite a liberal. Well, this is europe, right . So the right in europe looks probably quite to the left of any american politician. Even a very rightwing politician in the netherlands, for example, does support abortion, does support gay rights mostly. So you cant quite compare. I think that the comparison between le pen and donald trump doesnt always hold and the comparison between Emmanuel Macron and Hillary Clinton doesnt always hold. Emmanuel macron is young, he is 39 but he is also part of the system. He was a banker, he was a minister in the previous in the cabinet of francois hollande, so hes not exactly new, hes not exactly a real outsider but hes being presented as such and hes done quite well. What i think makes him stand out is the way that he talks about positions that other centrists or leftists have shied away from and he does it with a lot of conviction when it comes to europe, for example, when he talks about his belief i