Right now protesters are gathering to march in boston against the free speech rally scheduled for noon on Boston Common. Rally organizers say it has nothing to do with what happened last week in charlottesville, when White Supremacists shouted nazi slogans, physically attacked people and one of them allegedly killed in antiracist counter protester. Counter protesters in boston say they arent backing down and are marching against hate speech and bigotry. Heavy Police Presence is expected and we will keep an eye on that all morning. But first, to the latest news out of washington, d. C. , or bedminster, as the case may be. Steve bannon has left the white house, and returned to the extent he ever really left to b breitbart which he built into the selfproclaimed platform of the alt right. Bannon was also the resident economic nationalist at the white house, the driving force behind efforts toe dismantle trade deals and launch an economic war with china. Bannon allies have called him the linchpin that connects trump to his base and the intellectual heart of the trump movement. So with him gone, what happens to trump now . Joining me are sarah kinsior, former breitbart Media Consultant kurt bardella, former chief white house ethics lawyer for president george bush richard painter, and david corn of mother jones. Thank you for being here. Kurt, to you first on what it means for not only bannon to have left but left the way he did. He walked over to breitbart. Com and sort of walked into cheers and gave a big rah rah speech. What do you think it means to the white house hes no longer there . Well, i think it means that youre going to see a lot more of steve bannon publicly than you have really to this point. Lot of whats been happening in recent weeks and months is bannon under the radar, maybe leaking stuff or having people leak for him. He wasnt necessarily the public face of it. Now hes unshackled. Hes liberated. Can he do and operate however he wants. Remember, this is not a person who is meant to serve at the pleasure of anybody. He ran breitbart like a dictator. He is a dictatorial type of figure so it makes sense it didnt work well when he had to report to a chief of staff and run his ideas by people before he could do them. He likes to operate freely. Now can he and thats bad news for those remaining at the white house, bad news for congressional leadership, leaders like paul ryan, mitch mcconnell. It will make life a lot more difficult for the white house because now steve has no limitations, Nothing Holding him back. Kurt, you know, you made the point that its not clear that bannon ever really left. We were talking about this, never left breitbart which is an ethical question, whether he was still technically there. Were you surprised he gave an interview to the Weekly Standard which he said the Trump Presidency that we fought for and won is over he said friday shortly after confirming his departure. We still have a Huge Movement but that presidency is over, there will be something else. And there will be all kinds of fights and there will be good days and bad days but that presidency is over. Were you surprised he gave that kind of an interview . No, because i think in some ways hes also speaking like everyone to a constituency of one. Hes reaching donald trump through his favorite vehicle the press and sending the message that the support that he had from breitbart, the cover that theyd run for trump whenever anything bad would go on, that thats in jeopardy right now, unless President Trump adheres to the ideals and the rhetoric that got him elected in the first place. Think bannons fear is that with these west wing democrats surrounding trump, trump will try to moderate and move to the middle to try to achieve something and steve is sending out the message to donald trump if you do that, breitbart will be there, they will attack you and send a message to their base, to those crazy conservatives and homophobics and xenophobics, this isnt the guy we voted for. Hes been coopted. I wouldnt be surprised if they look for a new candidate, a new person to try to rally around. Richard painter, youve been calling for bannon and the other bannonites, other travelers to be swept out of the white house and to the point that kurt just made, the other thing that bannon told i think theyre going to try to moderate him, i think hell sign a clean debt ceiling. His natural sendry, i think you saw it on charlottesville the default position is the position of his base that got him elected. I think youll see a lot of constraints. Do you concur people in the white house ma he is . Well, if theyre smart, they certainly will. They got to stop worry being 2020 and focus on saving the presidency. Three things they need to do to save this presidency. First clean out all of the alt rights, he needs to be the Arnold Schwarzenegger of the Republican Party, be the terminator of the alt right. He needs to have a personal conversion and renounce and repent for racism, for bigotry, and all the hatred he hass spoused thus far and that conversion better be faster than the road to damascus. He has to do it now. Third, repudiate the socalled religious right, the fake christians who have dominated the Republican Party. If he makes it clear he repudiates them the democrats will be checkmated because they are not going to want mike pence if trump repudiates the phony christians and the religious right, embraces the true American Values that traditionally have been in the Republican Party as well as the Democratic Party of inclusion and democracy. So if he does those three things, i think cosave this presidency, but right now, hes in serious trouble. He should stop worrying about the idiots on the far right and what theyre going to do to him in 2020. Make this a successful term and make sure that the extremists are thrown out of the Republican Party. That includes all those people in the white house, that includes steve bannon, breitbart news, the racist platform theyve been running, people like ann coulter, who run around attacking people. We need those people out of the Republican Party so we can govern and pass legislation to help americans get health care, protect the planet, and do what republicans and democrats traditionally wanted to do, to serve the american people. I see caved corn nodding his head. Your thoughts . I love richard painter. Youve been speaking truth to power from the republican side. All those things that you mentioned, its not gone that happe gonna happen. Its a wish list. Donald trump is 71, whatever, 72 years old now. He has been playing with racists for decades. He got to where he was as a birther. I think he suffers from certain personality issues. I dont think theres going to be any conversion. Thats not going to happen. To me the interesting thing here is whether bannon can actually mount the type of war or offensive that people think he can mount. He has a difficult task. Its not easy to attack the people working for a president , without attacking the president , and when you attack donald trump, you know what happens, and so i dont see how he sort of goes after people in the west wing or people that trump may be working with, or parts of trump agenda, without trump starting to treat him the way he treats everybody else, and that leads to a civil war within the Republican Party, and within Donald Trumps base. Most of the people who voted for donald trump probably never heard of steve bannon at the time, so steve bannon is a disruptor. Hes like the joker. He likes chaos, but at the same time that may not be good for the party, may not be good for the Trump Presidency, although may be good for Steve Bannons pocketbook and for the mercers. He doesnt attack everybody, david corn, White Nationalists dont get attacked, putin doesnt get attacked. He tacks the people who question him or go after him so steve bannon can take a critical approach to the Trump Presidency, without being attacked back is a very, very difficult thing to see. Im going to come back to kurt on whether or not were interest trmp has a here of steve bannon. Jason on the question of where donald trump sort of is centering core is. Because the idea if you take out bannon and sweep them out somehow trump would be a different person, i wonder if you agree that that is the case or whether you think the core of donald trump and the core of steve bannon are the same. You can pull aour all the ca on the candy apple. Trump is still trump. He hired these people because they reflektded his values. This isnt in any way legitimizing White Nationalism. Look at who the core advisers are now for this president. Kellyanne conway is not a policy person, shes a pollster, where are the republicans. There arent that many republicans anymore except for mike pence and mike is told when the meetings are late, and then on top of that, you dont really have any more economic nationalists. I think bannon is going to have an audience not just the far right but economic nationalists within the Republican Party who are like whoa is this guy. Theres no one who speaks for us anymore in the president s inner circle. To that point, sarah, aside from the White Nationalist aspects of steve bannon and what breitbart built these are the things he came in on that list. Remember he had that wall of things he wanted to see donald trump do. Trade penalties against china, ending multilateral trade agreements, decreasing legal and illegal immigration, massive infrastructure spending, and higher taxes on the rich, which is an odd sort of mix of things for a supposed republican but they are this sort of grab bag of populist issues that attracted at east some of the people who support donald trump. In that stuff goes away, does donald trump lose almost his cultlike hold on his supporters . I think that stuff was never really there. I think a lot of what bannon and trump said was false populist. It was a pretext in order to cover xenophobic, White Nationalist, antimuslim policies. Thats how they governed. Steve bannon was there for six months. You can tell whether he believed sincerely in the policies, whether he cared for what they called the socalled forgotten people. He didnt. Hes also a former Goldman Sachs guy this is not someone who cares about what regular people are going through. And neither is trump. I dont think things will be economically more equal and as many pointed out this is still a white supremacist house. You still have nazis in the house, you have jeff sessions, long time antagonist against civil rights and you have policies that back up these ideas in practice. It is more dangerous and more harmful than having him in the white house where he is somewhat contained. Does steve bannon believe in the economic populist ideas and b, is donald trump afraid of him . I think to soom degree steve believes in some of the economic policies, the idea that the America First side of things, the roll we have in trade and Global Economic community. I think there is consternation with trump and worry about what steve will do, part of the reason why it took so long for him to get rid of steve in the first place. This is something he probably wanted to do for a while but kept pushing off and holding off because he didnt know how steve would react. Theres a high possibility that steve will look to try to expand the breitbart empire, expand their media platforms. He oftentimes talked about wanting to go to war with fox news and build a platform he believes that fox moved too far to the middle, as hard as that is to believe and theres room to the right of fox to build something and they could very well end up being a vessel one day donald trump may be sooner than later joins them when hes not the president of the United States anymore. Who knows what will happen over the next couple of weeks and months. Theres a big investigation by the fbi hanging over donald trump and theres a likelihood steve could be building something that gives trump an out later on in the year. Watch what happens with the mercer money. Everybody needs to look up jane mayer profile on Robert Mercer and what he thinks in his head and the money hes putting behind steve bannon. You will be back with us tonight at 7 00 p. M. Thank you very much. During our special 7 00 p. M. Show were calling the politics of hate youll learn more about all the topics we just talked about. 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The secret is an ingredient originally discovered. In jellyfish. In clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve shortterm memory. Prevagen. The name to remember. George washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner . So will George Washington now lose his status . Are we going to take down excuse me, are we going to take down, are we going to take down statues to George Washington . How about Thomas Jefferson . What do you think of Thomas Jefferson . You like him . Okay, good, are we going to take down the statue, because he was a major slave owner. Are we going to take down his statue . So many hand gestures. After white supreme is and neonazis erupted in violence over the removal of a confederate statue in Charlottesville Donald trump tweeted his support for those beautiful monuments that someone characterized as symbols of oppression. Our next guest says its not about the statues but rather the statutes, the gop policies that harm peoples lives. Joining me to discuss is the reverend dr. William barber. Rev barber, you have made an eloquent statement over the past week about what those statues that are up all over the country, the confederate statues mean. Do you now believe that that debate is getting in the way of something more important . Well i think we ought to be very careful, joy, and let me just apologize to my good friend, your other guest richard painter for calling him, not calling, miscalling his name last week, i meant richard spencer. The bottom line is 80 of the statutes like the one in charlottesville were placed between 1890 and 1922. They were put in place to celebrate the return of White Supremacists policies into the federal government and state government, and into the law and into the constitution, and whpu there to celebrate a president by 1917, 1916, who was a white supremacist, White Nationalist sympathizer. What we have to understand is unite the right for us, that rally was never about hate, just personal hate. It was about a form of white power. Richard spencer and others want a gop that attacks immigrants, that rolls back Voting Rights and rolls back equal protection policies and attacks immigrants, and we have to understand that White Supremacy, White Nationalism has an agenda, so its right to protest the statues but understand the history, and so if we march there, we need to march on the congress and the senators, and say, do you agree with rolling back Voting Rights, because thats a white supremacist position. Do you agree with attacking immigrants because that is a white supremacist, White Nationalist agenda. Do you agree with rolling back health care and living wages, because thats what White Nationalists also want to do. Do you agree with rolling back equal protection under the law, because thats what White Nationalists do. So we have to make sure we dont take our eyes off the statutes that the statues represent. We know the Justice Department under Jefferson Sessions is backing an effort in ohio to purge infrequent voters off the rolls. Theyve switched positions on everything from Voting Rights to policing reform. Do you argue that those policies, which are actually kind of standard republican policies are White Nationalist . Well, let me make it clear history, in 67, when Richard Nixon first started pandering to this racist element, it wasnt the first time in history, but then he c