Donald trumps base in winning the election was dismissed on friday. The departure reveal the once again the turmoil that continues to plague donald trump. After his comments defending white spruupremacists hes faci loud denunciation from his own party. Two business adviser councils were disbanded as members left in protest. With his white house in crisis following a week of severe racial unrest and with his Approval Ratings plunging, hes now a president so isolated that the only allies left, are white nationals and the die hard save the west dot com. He is a trump supporter. James peterson studies at lee high university. Jennifer ruben of the washington post. Ill start with you. Do you understand why so many people have walked away from this president . Well, baear in mind we live n a culture of Political Correctness which is an inflijment on freedom of speech and businessmen dont have so much courage to stand behind the president so its sort of easy to split people off from him. Also, the press has created an illusion that President Trump is someone monster which he isnt. So people are separating themselves from the monster image, but the image isnt real. But dont people have the freedom of speech to denounce the president if that is what they feel . Sure. But they should denounce the president for legitimate reasons no the for invented reasons. The strategy and policy forum and manufacturing counsel which is ceos, business people. The evan gel i cal advisory board. Are you saying these people are lying about the reasons they longer want to be associated with the president . Not that theyre lying but if the press creates President Trump for a monster, then who wants to be associated with the monst monster, but the monster is an illusion. It was artificial. Do you agree with donald trump that theres a moral equivalency between the protests in charlottesville and the people protesting against them . The way i look at it is anyone who opposes the coops tugs bill of rights is an enemy of america so to speak. I dont care what the flavor, what they say they stand for. I believe in the constitution bill of rights. And i think that anybody who violates the constitution bill of rights should not we should not be listening to them. They should be arrested, if they portray violence. I use the constitution bill of rights as my who are you saying violated the constitutions bill of rights and which element of the bill of rights are you saying they violated . Well, i dont think people have the right of pregs but dont have the right to intimidate people. Who are you saying intip dated . I wasnt there, but looking at the internet the Charlottesville Police said there was violent of both sides. I dont think thats what they said. Neonazi came to down and the town didnt want them there. We could see live on tv they beat members of the clergy and killed a woman. There were a lot of mistakes made. Those are those mistakes . Yeah. I think the judge people who dont belief in the constitution bill of rights shouldnt be given a permit to mar march so the judge made a mistake. How do you determine that other than youre saying neonazi shouldnt be allowed to march . Which i think the First Amendment would preclude that view. Neonazi dont believe in equal rights for everybody. Okay. Its basic violation of the constitution bill of rights. They shouldnt have been given a permit. The city council or some people suggested that they keep the statue but change the inscription. Does that have youre say were oat a lot of mistakes made by but not you dont want to criticize the neonazis themselves . I do. Im saying they should never have been given a permit to march because they dont believe in the constitution bill of rights. They lost their right so to speak to march and the judge never should have given them a permit. The major should have stopped the march before it happened. The mayor should have had the pleat separate the two sides which he didnt. The city council, some people suggested they change the inscription of this statue, which they should have. The inscription simply had the birth and lifetime p robert e. Lee. Didnt say anything that he created treason against the United States. So, id say i blame the managers. Im from the Business World. We have an expression, blame the managers. But not the ceo. Lets go to jennifer ruben. Right now Donald TrumpsApproval Rating in michigan 36 in michigan, 35 m pennsylvania. 34 in wisconsin do you agree with him that those people who disapprove of donald trump are just wrong headed . What you just said is a shonda, a shame, a disgrace. Mr. Trump is not being m misinterpreted by the media. The reaction was from his own lips from his own words this week. And frankly, i think youre the one who needs a brushup on the constitution. Our constitution does not deny the right to protest and the right to assemble to people who dont like other peoples rights. They have the right to speak too. What the problem is is that they were number 1, violent, number 2, killed a person, number 3, they were shouting racial ep i that thes. You cannot absolutely believe all those ceos, all those people on the arts, members of kong congress, the senate are simply measure rised by the media, that they dont know the real donald trump . Come on. Your response. Well, i think youre half right. The they do know the real donald trump, but if the donald trump becomes if the rael donald trump becomes toxic to the illusory way they dont want to be tied to it because its bad for business. Its not an illusion, sir. We sue it this week from its own lips. I think people like you have an obligation to speak out. This is a man who called mexicans rapists, a man who made racist remarks and den grated a judge. A man who on access hollywood seemed to affirm Sexual Assault on women. Come on. You have an obligation as a citizen. United states to speak out and denounce. This. Frankly hes been enabled by people like you to continue on in his political keicareer. Does donald trump make you proud . Are you proud of him . Well, irate president s in all im just asking a simple question. Yes. Yes. Lets go to james peterson. Is he perfect . Yes. You youve established what you think. James peterson. Your thoughts. I think about his logic itself we should look seriously as what President Trump has done because there may be some questions as to whether or not he has adhered to the tenets of the constitution. Transgendered americans. When you look at his doj, think about his rhetoric around immigration. This is a president who maybe has not adhered to the tenets of the constitution. Obviously a huge investigation going on about whether hes had collusion with foreign governments. There are a lot of questions as to whether or not President Trump has adhered to the United States constitution. Lets be very, very clear. For those folks who provide cover for people who are invested in the confederacy, those folks reject the constitution. They reject equality as one of the basic tenets of america. Those are things that are antithetical to what folks say america is. Trump provided cover for them. The reality is his response to that demonstration last week in charlottesville was monstrous. The reason why hes been treated like a monster is because of the way he responded wa z a monstrosity. I dont think we have to look very deep into this administration to see the conflict. I want to bring you in here. Donald trump has not only been condemned from everyone from the Business World to the rabbi of his daughter and soninlaw also condemned him. Hes also had a lot of chaos. A lot of people leave the white house. This photo that shows all of the sort of cabinet, the advisers and cabinet members early on in the administration. The only person left this there is the vice president. Steve bannon gone, sean spicer, et cetera. And Michael Flynn obviously gone for obvious reasons. Do you think this presidency can recover from both the condemnation and chaos . Joy, donald trump is a terrible human being. He is taking this white house so far into the gutter, so far a into the darkness that even lus i fer wants to fume i gait. This is what donald trump has done. He looked at and watched neonazis, White Supremacists, white nationalists salute the nazi flag in his name. He thinks she are fine people. He went he stood behind the podium with the seal of the presidency, of the white house, and he continued to enable them. He encouraged them. He defended them. This is the type of president that we have currently in the oval office. And heres the thing, joy. Its not just the country thats watching. Its the world thats watching. Its our adversaries, our allies are watching this. The and this is incredibly disturbing, as a mother, as a woman, as a black person, as a person in h the lbgtq community, this is disturbing. We cannot defend donald trump. Republicans need to stand up, have a backbone and stop enabling this man. The leaders on the hill need to take action. Enough is enough. Why do you suppose neonazi and White Supremacists like donald trump so much. They were praising him after his response on monday to that march in charlottesville. Why do you think they like him so much . Well, they shouldnt. Remember, i why do you think they do. No, no. No. Why do you think david duke and white nationalists and commit supremacists chan chance i dont know. A fringe group. Why do you think they like donald trump so much . Look some of them could be provok a toer. You think theyre making it up too . Think theyre lying . No. The im sure some of them might say that. Im not sure. But any fringe group can say they love whatever poll itician they wamts. Its fake news. It doesnt mean that politician believes in that ideology. If that turns around and then defends them and says some of the people among them were fine people, what does that say to you . Theres no way to defend the neonazi. But donald trump did. He defended. Said there were fine people among them. Jews will not replace us. He said among that group of young men who said that, there were fine people. Do you think there were fine people in that group. I wasnt. You saw them on tv. No. I dont know anyone respectable would have been marching with them. Why any normal citizen. So im in as much dis belief as you are. At least thats good. You at least discarrying with donald trump on that one. Thank you very much. Up next, a trump loyalist makes a fan boy trip to meet an enemy of america. 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E except now t ha hacker that ws used in the russian hacking during the election, turned himself into earlier this year and has now become an fbi witness. Joining me now msnbc contributor and analyst. Thank you all for being here. Im going to start with you. This hacker is identified i believe as a ukrainian malware expert who is said to be able to potentially blow the whistle on russian hacking. Whats the import of having him turn witness . Well so the biggest problem that the Russian Investigation has faced is that short of drawing these direct linking back to the creme lkremlin. There might be russian nationals but its hard to say if they were in fact russian officials. Having someone cooperating with the investigation who may be able to solid fi those lines back to russia, for most of us were sort of at the point of saying of course russia was involved. Its important to establish they definitely were. If he can connect those dots directly regardless of the hacking involve 89, that is a huge step. If he can connect that back to the trump or trump himself that is a larger issue. Malcolm, where does wikileaks play into all this . Because they deny they got information from russia in the first place. He could prove. Wikileaks turned out to be the russian cutout. Thats a term of art for the middle man who takes on the information and passes it on and gives it it an air of legitim y legitimacy. Let me touch on this hacker for a minute. What he has is he has the electronic genetic code, so to speak of the malware suite that they stole and used to create the software that was used to hack the dnc. He can give the fbi as a working witness, the actual fingerprint of his malware and show how it was modified by russia for the use of the dnc. So, there were lots of other characteristics about these malwares, that were used, like the fact that they use the cyrillic keyboard the and linked back to a russian intelligence server. This is going to be a treasure trove of information. One of the other interesting aspects of this meeting with assange is who set it up. It was set up by a blogger named charles johnson, known to those on the internet as a troll, somebody who is a holocaust denier and an all right blogger. s standing outside that embassy in london where he set up the meeting, his team has confirmed it was set up by this blogger and there is he giving what a lot of people believe is the white power sign. What do you make of that connection . Sort of. Russian fingerprints, all over this. It seems to me the russians have this Large Network of sort of n undesirables acting as frankly as malcolm said, as cutouts. It seems to me that why a congressman who meet with assange, what he has to tell trump, the whole thing just wreaks of oddity and frankly russian fingerprints. So i dont u. Understand exactlyy got into this group but certainly seem to be using this whole movement to support trump and somehow be involved in this. Using sort of obscure bloggers, one of the political opponents in california wants the fbi to investigate him for that meeting. Hes been accused of potentially violating u. S. Sanctions when he tried to get the deputy general prosecutor in russia removed from u. S. Sanctions. Claims he lost an arm wrestling match to putin back in the 90s. What do you make of this conflens between him and an altright blogger that he uses as a go between. To be honest i believe right now, the Senate Intelligence committee, fbi and the House Intelligence Committee are making it clear theyre investigating americans who are in h cooperation communication and quite possibly coopted by russian intelligence which makes them sort of a fifth column and weve found that is ultimately made up of altrighters who view that trumps policy towards russia and russias policy towards the United States furthers their goals. The russians are actually hosting an altright white supremacist conference. I see hes a he actually believes these relationships with the United States and russia should be improved. Es he an old vietnam veteran. Youve got to give him props for his service but he himself may have invisible fingerprints and strings that are work rpg around him with guys like johnson and others in the altright that are being used for russias own political purpose the to damage or destroy american democracy. Just walk us through how russian intelligence would use what could have been an obscure blogger, how would these guys as the guy in florida who said he could get Hillary Clintons emails. How would russian intelligence interact and use them . Thats a good question. What im seeing here as someone who worked against the russians, i get the sense they were in fact very scared of being identified. Whatever they intended to do in the 2016 election, i think the second part of them gaming out this moment right here, they wanted to make sure there was plausible deniability. With that, i think the cast of characters youre see thag the russians may have had connections to is not the traditional folks we have here. The we can go back to what isis did with ebay. All sorts of creative ways they could have are gotten to these people. Funding me on gofundme. So i think what were looking at is a sort of nontraditional way of getting this sort of fringe element to support them directly on the social media platforms. That seem the to be a huge part of this. If you saw an obscure right wing potentially even on the racist right blogger, suddenly pop in supporters and followers and jump up in h youtube views and suddenly getk a lot of money and dont have a viable source of income, you might want to look huh. Seem the like a good place for the senate and congress to look into, i would say. Absolutely. Thank you very much. Malcolm will join us again. Up next, trumps affection for losers. music plays throughout super cool notebooks. Done. Thats mom taking care of business, but who takes care of mom . Office depot office max. Order online and pickup in store in just one hour. Takin