Give them money. Under my administration were fighting against the lobbyists, the special interests and the corrupt washington politics. Good morning, and welcome to a. M. Joy. Rudy giuliani in an interview that posted last night with the Huffington Post once again directly contradicted the white house, despite working for donald trump. The comments came after reports that at t paid trump Attorney Michael Cohen 600,000 to advise on a potential merger with time warner. And for insight into the new administration. Giuliani told the Huffington Post quote whatever lobbying was done didnt reach the president. The president denied the merger. They didnt get the result they wanted. But this morning both white house fired back. Contradicting giulianis remarks. Press secretary Sarah Sanders telling k n the department of justice denied the deal and reiterated the administrations past position that the president was not involved. This story has a lot of moving parts and seems to change. But the Bombshell Development heard earlier this week when a document uncovered by Stormy Daniels attorney revealed new information about the multipurpose Shell Company set up by Michael Cohen. That company is essential consultants. The same company formed in october of 2016 to paid 130,000 in hush money to daniels. After trump was elected president , the Washington Post reports that cohen bragged about his access to the donald, saying that he was quote crushing it. According to a document released by daniels attorney, Michael Avenatti. Corporations forked over millions of dollars to cohen through essential consultants. Companies like Columbus Nova, a u. S. Based firm with ties to Russian Oligarch which paid cohen half a Million Dollars. Pharmaceutical giant novartis, which confirmed it signed a 1. 2 Million Contract with cohen. And the aforementioned at t. Which as we mentioned, paid cohen 600,000. At ts chief executive said on friday, that hiring cohen was quote a big mistake and announced that its top lobbying executive in washington would be leaving the firm. Now we should note that one company that did resist cos sales pitch was Ford Motor Company. For the wall street journal, fords head of Government Affairs rejected the offer and had no further conversations about it. Joining me now is Michael Avenatti, Stormy Daniels attorney. Paul buttlebutler, msnbc local and timothy owe brian, author of trump nation the art of being donald. Michael, well start with cnn which tweeted out this morning from a reporter saying new white house, while President Trump was opposed to the at t time warner merger during the campaign and has been consistent on that, he didnt interfere with the Justice Department case. Giuliani tells dana bash. Saying he told me directly he didnt interfere. So you uncovered all of this information about the companies that were paying Michael Cohen. Then you have giuliani, who is supposed to be helping, come out and say, it didnt matter because he was so ineffective. He didnt help. But it was the president who came between at t and this merger deal. What does it say to you that theyre having to reverse on that. But you have giuliani, at least suggesting that there was a direct relationship paid to play for at t. Im going to push back a little bit, joy. He is helping, hes helping us. And i hope he keeps talking, because every time he talks, our case gets better. And what were seeing is more and more vindicated. This guy is a walking train wreck. Theres no other way to put it. Hes a caricature of what he used to be when he was mayor and when he was a very able prosecutor. It is time that he take a step back go, out to pasture. He is doing considerable damage to the president and mr. Cohen and quite honestly, his legacy. But if he wants to continue to help us, by making these ridiculous comments, that then have to be, that the white house then has to address and back off . So be it. I think the credibility is out the window. I want to read awe little piece of this interview he hasnt yet walked back. What you have is this shell corporation. This essential consultants llc thats taking in millions of dollars from all of these big corporations. But then the payment that he makes to Stormy Daniels, who he is saying he doesnt even know, he knows nothing about, is 130,000. An odd number. Giuliani is saying the only reason you guys are suing is because quote i think she feels she was cheated. She feels she could have gotten more. Your response . Well look, heres the fact of the matter. They cant argue on the facts and the evidence of this case, because it is so bad for them, it is only getting worse by the day. With each passing day you have more companies coming forward. Now we hear from Ford Motor Company they were solicited by Michael Cohen. So instead of looking at the facts and the evidence and developing a message based on that, what theyve decided to do is just the opposite. They have no facts or evidence. Theyre going to develop a message. The message theyre trying to sell the American People on now is shes just doing this because she didnt get enough money. Its not going to sell. Its not going to sell because theres no facts, theres no evidence to back it up. Its a bunch of nonsense. It is interesting that you have giuliani, the other big admission he did, was to admit that donald trump paid back Michael Cohen for the 130,000 given to Michael Avenattis client, stephanie clifford. Why would trump need to do that if essential consultants is taking in all of this money . Thats one. And then why would Michael Cohen need to take out a personal loan to put money into essential consultants if hes taking in all this money . That doesnt seem to make a lot of sense. Let me take a moment to brag on my former student this dude right here, i think of him in a Justice League with robert muler to save our democracy. So what Robert Mueller is doing is actually what michael is doing is showing how the money came in. What Robert Mueller is interested is where it went. How it flowed out of this llc. And whether the big kahuna, mr. Trump, had any portion of that. So to your question, again, thats what hes looking for. Because as you say, during this time when Michael Cohen is getting all this money. Hes not acting like a rich dude, hes taking a mortgage out. This money is going somewhere, right . Taking like 720,000 mortgage out. To remind viewers of who is giving him money. Novartis, 1. 2 million. Say its focused on u. S. Health care. Column business nova, 500,000 for potential investments in real estate. Korea arrow space and at t, 600,000 for insights in the new administration. I think what a lot of people see, they say at t is a giant company, theyve got a lobbyist in washington. Korea airspace, why would they need Michael Cohen. Hes not an expert in this. Why would a company with a reputation go to someone like Michael Cohen for advice . The news is happening with such velocity its hard to remember what happened 18 days ago, never mind 18 months ago. But i would like to bring your viewers back it that time when the election had happened and donald trump won. And none of us at this table thought he was going to win. The corporations didnt think he was going to win. Everybody was pretty much betting on hillary and they were prepared for the hillary transition, they would have been prepared if it had been a standard republican. But trump was not that standard republican, right . He was not connected to the establishment. He wasnt, there wasnt access to him and he was also unpredictable. He starts tweeting and hes tweeting about boeing and hes tweeting about Lockheed Martin and hes tweeting about car companies. And i will tell thaw every pr agency in this Company Started pulling together strategy documents what are you going to do if trump tweets about you . How do avoid having trump tweet about you . How do you respond . So i dont know if corporations are people or not people, but ill tell you theyre run by people and there was a lot of concern how do we deal with this . How do we deal with this administration . Theres so many reasons corporations have to work with the government. Regulatory policy and everybody was kind of at this crossroads. How do you not get get caught in the crosshairs and how do you work with this administration. I can understand why it was very appealing to hire somebody who had that access to try to figure this all about. What we know about donald trump is he doesnt give something for nothing. You have donald trump who has this long history, in this business, that can be shady, the real estate weird murky world with all of these foreign ties. Does it comport with what you know about donald trump that everyone around him says feeding frenzy. Hes in here now, were all going to get rich. Is this something that they couldnt have done without him blessing it . I think this is both. I think its a feeding frenzy. President trump has always been surrounded by second and thirdtier people who have hitched their wagon to his star to make a buck. Michael cohen is the latest successor in this long line of people both ancient and recent, who have scrambled to make a buck off their proximity to trump. The larger lesson of this whole event thanks to the documents that michael released, is that trump didnt drain the swamp. He just brought in bigger alligators. And Michael Cohen is just one con duty. I think theres a lot more to learn about corporate americas ties into the Trump Administration. Trump himself led the way because he and his family did not divest themselves in a meaningful way of their own business interests when he went to washington. And they essentially put a for sale sign on the oval office. Saying its okay to avoid traditional conflicts of interest. When he gets elected, case goes into a frenzy. They dont have any relationships with this guy and they start to look for people who they think can deliver for them and Michael Cohen is one of those people. Weve had the family. Weve had ivanka selling her jewelry. And its fifth avenue. The Kushner Family is an agent. Trying to trade visas for investments. Its all over the place with this family. Just to come back for a moment, you have the companies cooperating. So at t apparently since november of last year, novartis since november has now cooperating with Robert Mueller for these companies theyve got to run back, they cant just walk it back. Novartis came out with a statement that cohen kangted us after the new administration was in place, promising access to the administration, is it standard for companies to buy access . And not register . And that person not be a registered lobbyist . I heard Nick Compasori saying yesterday that lobbyists are the most honest people, they will tell you im registered and im representing these companies and interests and this is what im trying to accomplish. Thats a fair business, if its done on the unand up, Companies Want access, they want access to the democratic administration, the republican. Thats honest and on the up and up. We dont know what has happened behind the scenes, what promises were made. And Michael Cohen wasnt a registered lobbyist. Theres another issue that hasnt been touched on yet. I think its going to be the next front of inquiry. Shortly after the election, Michael Cohen forms a relationship with a very well known law firm in washington, d. C. By the name of patent boggs. And patelant boggs has a long history of lobbying and being involved between companies and the u. S. Government, thats a very unusual relationship to have been formed right after the election. Because Michael Cohen is not your average patent boggs attorney. Some of us have experience with patent boggs, i know i do. Its a very reputable law firm. Some of those people are highly educated, usually. A lot of experience. Its a very unusual relationship. Why did patent boggs and why did Michael Cohen come together . What did Michael Cohen sell patent boggs as it related to the idea that they were going to allow Michael Cohen come to the law firm . Its clear to me what he sold them. What he sold them was a book of clients. A book of corporations or individuals that had already retained him for access to the u. S. President. That needs to be the next inquiry. What did patent boggs know, when did they know it . Did they know that Michael Cohen was lobbying . Did they not know it . If they knew about it, why didnt they have Michael Cohen register as a lobbyist in connection with the work that he was doing . No one has talked about that. I think that needs to be inquired into. Given your history of knowing things, do you already know the answer to that . We may know a couple of things. I have to ask you quickly. You tweeted this last night joy, sorry to interrupt you. I think had you up on your screen, some of the money that had been paid by patent boggs earlier if im not mistaken. So patent boggs was one of the payees. One of the payees that had been listed on your screen. You tweeted why was mr. Cohen paying something demiter direct llc in los angeles large sums of money from essential consultants llc account . Can you explain that . Im not prepared to explain that this morning. I think its a good question. Maybe Michael Cohen or his attorney can answer that question before i do. We look at who essential consultants llc seems to be. It seems to be a Korean Food Company thats also in some way doing financial consulting. You mean demeter. Are you implying theres a longer list than just novartis and these other companies . Theres a much longer list. Do you have the list . We may have a couple of things on the list. However is giving Michael Avenatti or however hes getting this information, is it a way to make sure that information doesnt get squashed or sort of fall into the black hole of the Robert Mueller investigation, where we cant see it . It will be acted on much more quickly. Obviously if youre passing it into the hands of Michael Avenatti who can use it right away . Thats right. One of the things that the big corporations are buying is secrecy for Michael Cohen. Theyre paying him all this money to peddle influence, which he apparently does not have. But they dont want it out there. Sunshine is the best disinfectant. Michael avenatti is bringing sunshine to this investigation. Yes, he is. Do you have any other teases for snus you seem to always be teasing some other big breaking news. Ohios what im going to say, if folks want to continue to hide this stuff and cover it up, i think its fantastic. Because im going to out them, okay . Were going to out them. Bring all of this stuff to light. So if youre out there and you have stuff relating to your relationships with Michael Cohen that youre concern reasonable doubt going to come out, you should be concerned, because they are going to come out. You better come clean with the American People. You better try to get out in front of this, period. And thats a stern warning this saturday morning. 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