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MSNBCW AM Joy July 22, 2018

Another day, another reminder not to put much stock into what you hear from devin nunes. He is in charge of the house Russian Investigation and recused from it had been flogging the narrative the fbi spied on Trump Campaign operatives durring the campaign. Nunes claimed the fbi didnt properly disclose that its request for a fisa warrant to surveil carter page was based on the dossier by christopher steele. Well, this morning, that theory is put to rest. Redacted documents that show how they got that fisa warrant against page. Its backed by democrats in congress that the fbi did notify the judges of where some of the information in the warrant application came from. It shows steele was not the only source of the governments belief page was acting as an agent to russia. Taking a page from the party boss, donald trump, when ever bad news threatened to befall the president , trump blasts a narrative to take his mind off. He attacks nfl players or Hillary Clinton or barack obama or promotes a Conspiracy Theory about the Intelligence Community. Trump is up early rewriting the fisa for followers and carter page is maintaining his innocence. You are talking about misleading the courts. Its so misleading going through the 400 plus page documents. Where do you begin . Its literally a complete joke and only continues. Its really sad. Joining me is congressman liu, treata par si and e. J. Dionne, columnist at the Washington Post. Congressman, ill start with with you. This was an extraordinary step for the fbi to release a redacted version of the fisa warrant. What does it tell you about the effort to surveil carter page . Thank you for the question. Theres overwhelming evidence to have probable cause to do surveillance on carter page. It was over 400 pages, multiple sources in that application. It shows carter page had a risry of interactions with with russia officers and russia interfered and carter page may have been conspireing with the russians. It would have been a dereliction of duty to not have sought it on page. What do we make to nunes with close ties to the Trump Campaign, a defender of donald trump. He was supposed to be recused from the investigation because he was on the transition, but who led a partisan effort on the House Intelligence Committee as a member of eight to put out a narrative there was nothing to, there was no basis for the fisa warrant. What do we make of that majority report that came out of house intelligence . Nunes admitted he did not read the source documents. He wrote this memo to mislead the American Public without having read this fisa application. Now we know the fisa application contradicts and. What we have here is an fbi and department of justice working in a nonpartisan, professional manner, trying to deal with russian interference in our elections and the Mueller Investigation needs to continue without interference. Its early on a sunday morning, but are you hearing reaction from republicans who, again, signed on to a memo that is the opposite of this warrant oply indication showing steele was not the only source and there was a genuine belief among the government officials who achieved this warrant and carter page was acting as an agent of russia. How are they responding to that . They are not responding, yet. It is republican representative, trey gowdy who is going to have a lot to answer for this. He is the one who actually read the fisa warrant himself. Nunes was briefed on it. Trey gowdy read it and signed on to the memo and endorsed it and said there was reason to believe the fbi had not been forthcoming with the fisa court about the fact that chris steele had potential bias and he was hired by partisan operatives on the Democratic National committee in order to do Opposition Research on trump. Now with we know, of course, the fbi devoted nearly a page to disclosing steeles potential bias of that kind. So, its going to be gowdy who will have to answer for this. We have not heard them say, so far, how they are going to spin this. Of course, anyone who reads the fisa warrant can see in plain black and white the nunes memo was nothing but i mean, it was very misleading, a complete partisan thing that the fbi improperly surveilled the campaign, which makes no sense. The surveillance did not begin until after he left the campaign, a month after he left the campaign. The whole thing is nonsensical. Here is the declassified fisa warrant. There are lots of redactions on it. At the top, its dated, the application is dated 10, blacked out, 2016. This took place before the United States election, before the election in 2016. So, the fbi may have been late to the game. We are going talk with former cia director, they were late to the game in believing the effort by russia was on behalf of donald trump. They were investigating the Trump Campaign. What do you make of the disclosure and how it altered what they are trying to put out about the investigation of russi russia in our election . Its striking that robert mueller, the fbi and justice have been under a relentless attack from President Trump and the republicans. They are clearly willing to make things up in order to further their narrative and for a long time, they were relatively quiet. They didnt think it was their job to jump into the public debate as a sparring partner. What they did was waited and waited and suddenly, they came out with really powerful information that kind of blows all the other arguments out of the water. First were those indictments that came before trumps meeting with putin and the fact those indictments came out before the meeting put everything trump said in a remarkable light. He was forced to pick between putin and our Intelligence Services and he picked putin and had to clean it up in the back. Now, they are putting out this warra warrant, which clearly shows theres good reason to put carter page under surveillance. A, they had been truthful about what they knew about steele and also it was based on other sources. I think they are slowly, but methodically building up a case that is going to be harder and harder for trump to deny in court or congress and public opinion. You know, just looking at this as a Foreign Policy analyst, you have the Trump Administration trying to cast out everything u. S. Intelligence services have done, getting out of iran deal, going in and claiming they can negotiate peace with north korea better than the Obama Administration did. We have evidence that obama, even if they were late in the campaign game, we are attempted to thwart the election interference. If there was a good faith belief reason to believe someone was a spy for a Foreign Government and associated with the Trump Campaign. One of the first things you are going to see is the other Intelligence Services around the world, the United States collaborates closely with and whose assistance and information oftentimes in need of are not as forthcoming with the information. They simply cannot have confidence in how this intelligence is going to be used and how the president might be sharing it with others without real cause. Moreover, when it comes to the aftermath of trump, i am quite worried a lot of countries around the world that otherwise have invested in their relationship with the United States are not going to feel they need to have a strong plan b. What happened here is they are going to think it could happen again. Next time around, they dont want to be as vulnerable as they have been this time. Ultimately, that is really in the favor of other states, other major powers such as russia. Congressman ted lieu, what will the United States do about as american influence around the world, including cooperating with foreign intelligence. How do you trust an administration putting out disinformation with the help of members of congress . Joy, i sat on a House Judiciary Committee controlled by republicans. My answer is, its worse than nothing. Last week, we had a classified briefing on, wait for this, Hillary Clintons emails. Thats where the House Republicans are. They are out of touch with reality. American people want to change it. They have a chance this november to change the make up of congress. Natasha, is that what we are going to see, republicans denying the reality that is 400 some odd pages visible to pivot back to Hillary Clinton . It seems to be working. I mean, they have gone along with trumps base, essentially, who is increasingly approve of the russian president , Vladimir Putin. They approve of the way that the president handled his meeting with putin in helsinki. If they plan, if the base is pushing the Republican Party in one direction as we have seen them doing for the last year and a half, then it seems like the republicans will continue to put out these narratives. Just this morning, we saw the president is saying that the fbi illegally surveilled his campaign, which, of course, is not true. The surveillance began on carter page after he left the campaign. It seems like, especially on fox news, watching fox news, the narratives are put out there even though they have been proven false. We will continue to see that as the Mueller Investigation goes on. Once all the facts are out there, that is going to be an opportunity for the American People to see in black and white what has been discovered. Until then, the manipulation of facts, the ability to kind of spin it the way they want to and with the president leading the way, i think its going to continue. We already saw last week tgop rejected to nonbinding proposals to essentially back the Intelligence Community after trump disparaged them and to support the Mueller Investigation. Two very kind of things that the republicans would not sign on to. The question is, why . I think that is, will remain to be seen whether or not that position begins to shift. The why is exactly what she mentioned. The abc washington poll out this morning showing the approval of how trump handled helsinki. Among republicans 66 think he did fine. Then this poll, an extraordinary 15 said that trump was not, he was not kind enough to Vladimir Putin. He went, he didnt go far enough in supporting putin. Joy, you read my mind. I wanted to bring up those numbers. What natasha said about the numbers is true. Its striking only 56 of republicans approved his handling of that episode. Thats really low, compared to other numbers. The other striking thing is not only that it was 5033 disapprove, but people who felt this strongly, the strong disapprovers outnumbered the strong approvers 21. That tells us where the energy is in the public argument. The energy is now much more antitrump. Trump is wearing down some of his supporters. That could well play into the election. As i said, 15 , well you can probably get 15 of us to say yes to all kinds of questions. Yeah, unfortunately. Before we go, i know there are other things going on besides this this morning. When i was speebaking with you before you came on, the Trump Administration is flogging issues with iran. Give us an update on that before we go. As we were talking russian meddling in the United States, reuters ran a piece yesterday revealing what many people have already seen, the Trump Administration is actively fermenting on iran. Pompeo is going to give a speech later this evening to the iranian community. It is looking like it did in the ear early phases of the iraq war. They paraded on tv begging to get bombed and give the impression they support the bush administration. We havent gotten conclusions on what happened with the interference on our election 2016 and you are seeing it for more conflict around the world. Congressman ted lieu, natasha, thank you all. Have a wonderful sunday. You, too, joy. Thank you. The nras love affair with russia, stay with us. Your mornings were made for Better Things than psoriatic arthritis. 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Russian foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov is demanding she be released saying the charges are fabricated. So far, the nra has been quiet. Joining me is a survivor of the pulse nightclub shooting and founder of moms demand action. Thank you for being here. I want to let you know, 30 minutes ago, the Washington Post reported that miss butina received Financial Support from constantine, a russian billionaire with an energy and technology company. She told senate Intelligence Committee in april that he provided funding for her Gun Rights Group she represented. A spokesman confirmed he was launching between 2012 and 2014. Miss butina, who basically founded the Gun Rights Movement in russia, which is very small, was very much active in american politics. Shannon, you tweeted that despite the fact that the nra has been awfully vocal, including referring to your organizations volunteers, i hate to read this on sunday but as dry humping, word that starts with w. They are not shy. Why do you suppose they have been quiet about this unfolding scandal involving it . Thats a good one. They specialize in attacks. They spent the last year, as an organization and leadership saying the Russian Investigation was a hoax and that there was no collusion and getting into not just the gun rights aspect of it, but the whole Trump Administration aspect of it, which was not their specialty. Ever since the story broke about butina, they have been silent. Look, we know that the nra leadership traveled to moscow. We know they met with kremlin officials. We know they hosted an alleged russian agent at their annual meeting. They need to come clean. They need to talk about it and answer questions. The walls are closing in on the nra. Its time to be honest with what their relationship is not with just butina, but russia. You survived a massacre that involved guns. You have heard over and over again, the argument of what could have stopped the shooting in the pulse nightclub. Miss butina was in that. The right to bear arms and russias rights movements. They seguns as genuinely useful social tools, an alternative to living in a state of suspicion in russia. What do you make that you have this parallel effort to have the same ferver for it. Gun manufacturers are happy. Joy, i always, better or worse, tell it exactly like it is, so im going to do that today. The nra and similar efforts are a radioactive answer in american politics today. The nra, this is not the first time that the nra has totally fore saken the American People. A long time ago, they sold out their membership in favor of gun manufacturer money. Its not the first example this russian saga is another on a long list of instances when the nra has chosen money and greed over the lives of American People. I would encourage everyone today, while you are watching, log on to nonramoney. Org. Find out if your politician has agreed to take the pledge to not take nra donations. I encourage every Single Person in this country to say loud and clear that we are tired of electing politicians who side in favor of the gun lobby and their money over american lives.

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