Actor, two billionaire fill lan t fill lan tlo pphilanthropyists. All the mail bomb targets, and there were four as of friday had one thing in common, they have been frequent repeated targets of attacks by the president of the United States. On twitter, at his constant political rallies. Where his supporters chant lock her up and worse at anyone who displeases donald trump. Lets take a moment to remember how that sounds. Maxine waters. Thats a real beauty. Very dishonest person, crooked hillary clinton. Isis is honoring president obama. Hes the founder of isis. Cory booker. He destroyed what he did. He was so bad. We call him 1 biden until obama took him off the trash heap, he couldnt do anything. Tough guy. Cnn is the worst. You ever see when the fake news interviews them. Theyll go to a Person Holding a sign who gets paid by soros or somebody. He went after christians, he went after our great evangelicals, the tea party people. I think brennan is a very bad guy, if you look at it a lot of things happened under his watch. I think hes a very bad person. President obama along with brennan, clapper, the whole group on television now probably getting paid a lot of money by your networks. We know social media pages were littered with attacks on democrats and liberals. And he was videotaped at a trump rally earlier this year. If this was a normal presidency the president of the United States would not only condemn these attempts to terrorize fellow americans, praise the Law Enforcement agencies, vow that justice will be done. In a normal presidency the president would also presumably contact the targets who again include fellow president s. He would express genuine outrage at this attack on our democracy and free press and try to sound a wake up call that theres something toxic and dangerous going on in our politics that he, as the one leader elected to represented the entire nation, wants to lead the way to change. But this is not a normal presidency. This is the presidency of donald trump. Go after a couple of c condemnaticondem condemnations went right back to attacking the media. Im pleased to inform you that Law Enforcement apprehended the suspect and taken him into custody. I get attacked also. You get attacked. I get attacked all the time. Im just thinking come to think of it, who gets attacked more than me . I can do the greatest thing for our country, on the networks and Different Things it will show bad. That was a white house pep rally if you can believe it for young black trump fans. There that was after the suspect was caught. Before he was caught this is how republicans characterized the mail bom mail bomb attacks. Wouldnt it serve your purpose if youre a democratic operative to make it look like the republicans are a bunch of insane lunatics . There could be some democrat, lowlevel person not suggesting anyone at the top, but just decided, you know what . Ill put this out. Two weeks before a major election who will look like the bad guy here . The republicans. Lou jobs, james woods, its not just alex jones, its Rush Limbaugh saying this is a fake, its a stunt, everyone agrees. Joining me now is howard dean, former vermont governor. Jill winebanks, john harwood, and malcolm nance. Everything about this presidency is unusual. We say it probably every weekend. What is more unusual is that we have a president who, you know, he did the condemnation in written form. He read it out of the prompter. But he immediately goes back to attacking the very people who were under attack. He doesnt contact the former president. He doesnt do any of the normal things that a president would do. What does that say to you . Well, it tells me he has no interest in the role of being president of the United States. He doesnt. Hes not worthy of the title. In fact he is actually working against the interests of the United States. Let me put this as a counterterroism professional, let me put it to you this way, this nation sustained a terrorist mail Bombing Campaign this week. The only reason that we dont have postal workers or individuals who the bombs were sent to injured, wounded or killed is because the bomber was too incompetent to actually produce an effective device. But they were real devices. The fbi says they were real devices. Viable enough to kill had they worked. So this nation went through a Bombing Campaign. The person who sits in the chair of the president of the United States does not have the decency to work with the potential victims. Which tells you should there be a real extremist rightwing extremist Bombing Campaign in this country that is effective he still wont care. That puts us in our own form of crisis where a president of the United States refuses refuses to defend the constitution of the United States. Which means if theres a real crisis were in serious trouble. You know i agree with that. Its jarring, jill. We only had 45 president s, right . It is a very small club. The idea that any of the previous 44 would not have immediately picked up the phone and called the living president s who were on that list. You know there have been a few president s assassinated. I can only think lincoln where there was a wide ranging conspiracy to not only assassinate lincoln but decapitate the federal government. This was a wide ranging attack that targeted the top former leadership and current leadership of the Democratic Party. For the president of the United States to not even call any of them, to not express outrage on behalf of these former president s and the others, was it as jarring to you, having seen nixon up close. I would have imagined he would have called. What do you make of it . I think any other president would have acted in a different way. Its not just what he didnt do or what he did do in terms of his tweets, its that he has no comprehension of the danger that his words have caused. Anyone who thinks that his saying lets fight the protesters, lets beat them up. Those things have consequences. Its time for us to hold him accountable for what hes saying. Hes not only not doing the right thing by calling and saying what can i do to protect you, youre one of that small club of former president s, former cia, you are a current senator, you are a possible candidate for president , we need to protect you. He doesnt. He makes it about himself. Hes blaming the press for taking away the momentum for republicans to vote for selfish narcissistic and makes everything about him instead of thinking about or having empathy with the people who have been threatened by this. Its not just the people who were actually receiving the bombs, but think of all the postal workers who touched that, who could have set it off, who could have been injured. Theres a whole host of people who might have been injured. Patrons in the post office if it exploded there. Its abysmal. It is. John harwood, youve been tweeting about this and the fact it does point out a stark it is unusual. Everything about it is unusual. I want to play an october 6th rally, this is before any of this stuff happened. But trump says hes not responsible at all for anything that happened. He takes no responsibility. In fact he is still attacking cnn. He blames the media for everything. This is at one of his rallies on october 6th. Lets listen to how the audience responds to their leader. The radical agenda of nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. [ boos ] and the legendary maxine waters. Shoot her. Shoot her. Thats what they yelled in case people couldnt hear it. John harwood, the president of the United States says he is not responsible even though he says i will pay your bail if you want to commit violence at this rally where i am. I dont get it, do you . I get it. The president of the United States for the reason that jill just said a moment ago does not care about other people. He cares about himself. The ecosystem that he leads as the republican president , the leader of the Republican Party is out of touch with reality and thats why you see a Political Campaign where most of the arguments theyre making about immigration, about taxes, about healthcare are false. And its encapsulated by the way he won the nomination in 2016. Think about the relationship between now President Trump and ted cruz. During the campaign, President Trump was saying all sorts of ridiculous things trying to win the nomination. Ted cruz would say i like donald trump. He didnt want to talk about him. He thought he would lose. When trump beat him he said the president was a narcissist and amoral person and a pathological liar. Now whats happened, the president has been elected. Ted cruz is right back in behind the president. They had a rally together this week. That tells you theres an entire party that is advancing and running on things that are not true and you have a president of the United States who cares only about himself and other people and not willing to stand up to them. Howard, i want to play this. Lets look at the profile of this person. He has been charged with five federal crimes. Florida is a state that deprives principally men of color and people of color of voting rights. This guy did vote in 2016. Hes been known to Law Enforcement. He faced a florida bomb threat charge in 2002. Hes a florida resident. Originally from new york city. Registered republican. This is the more eerie thing about him. This is a sound bite from his attorneys the attorney for his family. He sauce in donald trump he found a father. Take a listen. They also had what i considered lesser iq, substantial emotional problems. He was like a 14yearold in an adults body. Its my opinion that he was attracted to the trump formula of reaching out. Trump reaching out to these types of outsiders, people who dont fit in. People who are angry at america. This was someone lost. He found a father in trump. That is creepy, howard dean, for someone to think of a president as their surrogate father. You are the only person on this panel who ran for president before. There used to be people called deaniacs. People loved howard dean. I cant imagine you, howard dean, when you had that power over a group of people, particularly young people, to say i will lead you guys in this direction. I think you should hurt my opponent. Ill pay your bail. I think my opponents are evil. Theyre the enemies of the people. You understand the kind of power a political leader can have. What do you make of the way this president uses his power . The reason this is complicated, and the reason that i had power and trump has power, people give you that power because they feel trapped or inadequate. When i ran, the problem was the Democratic Party was basically supporting the republican agenda and i wanted to stand up for the democratic agenda, which was against the war in iraq. What trump does with the power that people give him who are frustrated, angry, so forth, he turns it to evil. Thats the problem with trump. I dont know that he intends to do evil. I think hes so screwed up himself, he is a narcissist, so he has a giant cult. He also has a party that knows very well that he is a giant cult, but is going along with him because in the shortterm thats their way to power. Thats why the republicans sold out america. When they fail to stand up for a guy who is clearly unfit to be president of the United States, because of the fear of their own political careers, they have sold america out. And the Republican Party has become a drag on the greatness of america not something that will make america great. This is a low point in the history of the republic. Its not just because trump is a cult figure, its because his own party will not call him out on it because its in their shortterm interests not to do so. Its going to cost the party a lot of cost the country a lot of pain. Its going to cause even the people in this cult even more pain because theyre weak, theyre fearful to begin with. That will not get better under donald trump. Amen to that. My guests will stay with us. I want you guys to listen to Donald Trumps rally last night addressing one of the wouldbe victims of this serial alleged mail bomber who was a devotee of his. Max seine waters. Maxine [ boos ] i will be nice tonight. I wont say it. The media has a major role to play whether they want to or not. [ boos ] ill say this in all sincerity, but the medias constant unfair coverage, deep hostility and negative attacks you know that only serve to drive people apart and to undermine healthy debate. Y debate y debate the meeting of the executive finance committee is now in session. And. Adjourned. Business loans for eligible card members up to fifty thousand dollars, decided in as little as 60 seconds. The powerful backing of american express. Dont do business without it. We have the worst right wing group to create hysteria and play on the hearts and mines of those who are independents and undecided in midterms. Theres an old saying that history rhymes. Republicans false flag claims that the targets of the bail mom were spo bomb were responsible for the targets was jarring but not unprecedented. Terrorism in the 1960s included bombs on buses and churches. In 1963 the responding of the bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in birmingham said of the uncaught perpetrator that he set back the cause of the white people there so dramatically as to raise the question of whether, in fact, the explosion was the act of a provocateur, or a communist or of a crazed negro. Like i said, history crimes. My panel is back with me. It was not just commentators on fox news to try to kill federal postal workers and kill two former president s and another dozen people just to make the republicans look bad. This filtered from there on down. Lets play this cut. This is a supporter of donald trump putting forth his own personal theory as to who did these dbombings. Hillary clinton probably sent hers to herself. You dont think this guy sent these bombs . No. Probably not. Why . They probably had it done. They may have paid him to do it what would be the upside of that. Trying to bring people over to their side. And against trump . Yeah. One more. Here are several prominent republicans who had other people to blame not saying that president obama sent mail bombs himself, which is interesting. Heres a set of republicans in leadership positions with their theories. I think the media focuses on the president. The media plays a role in this process when 90 of the coverage is false. Malcolm nance, thats rightwing media, right wing conservative leaders and down to their base. I feel like we are able to look at this as the duarte regime. Is that off base . No im disgusted this morning at listening to these people. I have it all over my twitter feed, people coming back saying he was a crisis actor, this bomber. I will say this once. As a counterterroism professional, we were attacked this week. If it had been a member of isis this nation would have been panicking. Now because its a person who comes from rightwing extremism, the same branch that brought us timothy mcveigh, they want to pretend like none of this happened . Anyone who says this wasnt a real attack, you are betraying your oath to the constitution. You are acting in an unamerican fashion and you are allowing other people to believe they can carry out this type of attack. This is support of terrorism when you dont call it out for what it is. These bombs were viable, real, they were attempted murder on american citizens. We dont get the select in who we want to protect. We protect all americans. Clearly on the trump side thats no longer operative. They are choosing who they will protect and defend. Which means that their oaths of office are inoperative. Jill, this was shocking. This was an attempted had any of these, one of these devices gone off, this was an attempted mass murder through mail bombs of former president s, former heads of the cia, dni, former members of congress, this is serious. The way its treated on the other side is the titfortat, being rude to someone in a restaurant. I find that shocking this is not being treated as the terrorist attack it is. It is shocking to me. Is it to you . Its shocking to me and its terrifying to me that we are all listening to this now and all the people listening to your show right this minute are hearing the facts and understanding them. But the problem is theres a good percentage of america who is listening to info wars, listening to fox news, they are getting these conspiracy theories. They believe those theories. They are not questioning that there is not one shred of evidence, not one that would support that. Theres nothing that would make that true. People have made them up to get ratings on their television or their radio shows. And then the people are believing it. People are going to go to the polls and vote believing that possibly a democrat did this to make it look bad for the republicans . Thats so absurd. People will go to the polls believing when Donald Trump Tweets i will protect preexisting conditions, the democrats will take it away. That flies in the face of every piece of evidence of what donald trump and the republicans want to do. Yet people will vote with that misknowledge. Thats propaganda. Thats what happened in nazi germany, thats what happens in other authoritarian regimes. People do not get the facts. We need to protect the First Amendment. The First Amendment does not allow you to yell fire in a crowded theater. It doesnt allow donald trump to say beat up those protesters or i applaud you for body slamming a reporter. That is not covered by the First Amendment. This is a danger to democracy and everyone that we stand for in america. Yeah, john harwood, the calls are coming from inside the building in the white house. Candice owens, an organizer of that weird pep rally yesterday where black Trump Supporters were hooting and hollering where