Government . If this jail was secure enough to hold elchalpo how was epstein able to follow through with an alleged suicide . How exactly is the Justice Department going to explain why epstein was taken off suicide watch after an alleged Suicide Attempt just a couple of weeks ago . Does that make any sense . These are all real questions that Donald TrumpsJustice Department has to answer. But it was the answer that donald trump cooked up on saturday that by a twitter retweet that represents a new low for an administration that has already descended to child taking, caging, shrieking rallies and rhetoric from the president that inspires White Nationalist domestic terrorists. Donald trump retweeted an account that blamed the former president of the United States or the former first lady and secretary of state bill and Hillary Clinton of a conspiracy to kill Jeffrey Epstein. Just think about that for a minute. The sitting president of the United States accused a previous president of orchestrating the killing of a man, the current president once called his friend and a terrific guy. A man accused of hideous crimes who was being incarcerated by the current president s department of justice. As david frum writes in the atlantic imagine if president Richard Nixon had accused his predecessor Lyndon Johnson of complicity in the assassination of president kennedy. Of course that never happened. Obviously. How could it . How dare it. But had it happened, such an accusation by a president against a former president would have convulsed the United States and the world. But it has now happened, and now we wait to see if the vulgarity that this administration will of this administration will proceed as usual and whether Donald Trumps minions in his administration and in the Republican Party will go on television and repeat that smear against the former president of the United States. Oh, okay. It turns out we got the answer to that question just a moment ago. Why did the president then retweet that clinton suggestion . I think the president just wants everything to be investigated as your reporter just revealed just the day before. There were some unsealed information implicating some people very high up, and im not going to repeat their names. Its clear what hes trying to say, wasnt it . I think the president just wants everything to be investigated and, you know, trying to connect the president to this monster from years ago where theyre seen dancing in a video versus other people who were actively i suppose flying around with this monster on his island which was known as pedophilia island perhaps theres a Public Interest in knowing more about that. Okay, take that in for a moment. Thats a member of the federal government, a member of the president ial administration who just did that, who just advanced an insane Conspiracy Theory against the former president , okay. So meanwhile the investigation of epsteins death now falls into the hands of william barr. Donald trumps consigliere, an attorney general who refused to recuse himself on the epstein case despite his association with a law firm once involved with epstein, whose father once hired Jeffrey Epstein as a teacher with neither experience nor degree and whose prime directive is to protect donald trump no matter what. In other words, we may never get the answer to how Jeffrey Epstein was allowed to die and deprive all those victims of their opportunity for justice. Joining me now is carol lenning, Investigative Reporter for the Washington Post. Good morning, carol. Thank you for being here. And i want to refer you to your own tweet from yesterday, and you tweeted this. You tweeted people close to epstein fear he was murdered. As epstein told authorities someone tried to kill him in a previous incident weeks earlier. He was described as being in good spirits in recent days. So two questions for you. Question number one, i want you to detail a little bit more about this allegation because what youre referring to here are people close to epstein with a previous incident which was an alleged attempt on his life, thats number one, and number two this is ridiculous question. Im so sorry to have to ask you this but do the people close to epstein who fear he was murdered think the clintons somehow pulled off a hit against Jeffrey Epstein . Well, lets take those questions one by one, joy. Thank you for all your preface. First off the incident july 23rd in the prison in new york amcc which many people now compare to a grave because its so stressful and disorganized and chaotic, its not exactly a great place to be. People who have been guantanamo say they prefer guantanamo over the amcc. That incident in which Jeffrey Epstein was found on the floor semiconscious and he cliaimed hed been assaulted, there were neck marks. His roommate at the time said i found him like this and epstein insisted he did not try to kill himself. We dont know the answer to what happened because they have havent answered the question, what did your probe back then zurn, what did you find actually happened . All we do know he was put on suicide watch for a while, and as my great colleagues of the Washington Post have reported he was taken off suicide watch a few days before he was found dead, and their second piece of their question, forgive me, im going to it quickly, the people close to epstein dont have any theories about what happened. They have the fear that all smart people who watch prison deaths unfold have, which is this guy had a lot of secrets. Did anybody want him dead . This guy is accused of being a rampant serial pedophile. Those people also end up dead in prisons often. Was he attacked . He claimed that he was attacked july 23rd. We dont know the answers to those questions, but the Justice Department says theyre going to find out. Let me ask you another question about this facility. Who was in charge of it . Could anyone for instance, if it was the Justice Department directly supervisory of mcc, who supervises it . The Justice Department is ultimately the owner of this property. Its a federal facility and, you know, the attorney general who spoke on saturday several times ability his concern about this is ultimately the supervisor of this facility. He may be removed but its his responsibility. Talk about this facility itself. You just described it it as people who have been in there say its quite frightening. Heres what a former inmate had to say in new york post. In this persons view it would have been impossible to hang ones self in one of these jails. Theres no way for you to connect to anything. You have sheets but theyre paper level, not strong enough. He was 200 pounds. It would never happen. Could he have done it from the bed . No, sir, theres a steel frame but you cant move it. Theres no light fixture, theres no bars and theres a cop at the door about every 9 minutes whether youre on suicide watch or not. Do you know the inside of this facility well enough to know if it would be physically possible for somebody to hang themselves inside one of these cells . Absolutely not. Im not an expert on this facility. I believe there are a lot of protections to prevent this kind of thing from happening, but here it has happened. We just dont know enough yet to say how it happened. Just as we still dont know two weeks later what happened on july 23rd, i think that, you know, its scary and worrisome for conspiracy theorists to spread rumors about what could or should have maybe did happen, but it is reasonable to ask the question what do we know, what do the tapes show, when was the last time somebody saw him alive . And ultimately what happened july 23rd. If he tried to kill himself on july 23rd, then his apparent suicide makes a lot more sense to me. And heres the question about that because i want to zero in on the july 23rd incident as well. If someone as high profile, i know someone whos a former cop and i have one relative that used to work on rikers island. My understanding is if someone exhibits Suicidal Ideation and they attempt to actually hurt themselves, they would then be on suicide watch, and it wouldnt be brief. They would be on an extended suicide watch. Thered be a constant monitoring of that person. Does it read as lodgical to you someone this famous being accused of peridation on children which normally can lead to violence against you in prison, these are people targeted, people who allegedly molest kids, would it make sense to you to take someone like that whos that high profile off suicide watch . No. I mean, everything about this, joy, is so odd. The july 23rd incident is a red flag. The fact he was in a cell with a roommate who is about four times his size and is accused a former Police Officer whos accused of killing four people, the fact thats his roommate is also odd. Again, thats back to july 23rd. I dont know understand how they run the prison. I just know these things sort of stand out as bizarre, and now hes dead. And honestly for his victims, you know, what in the world should they feel at this moment . Theyve been waiting for the day when they could face him in court and say this is what you did to me, this is what you did to my friends, and now were going to see you pay for that if indeed you are convicted beyond a reasonable doubt. And thats gone for them now. As well, what about all the things he knew based on the unsealed records on friday. What about all the things he knew about his coconspirators . Important or not important people . That information is gone. Right. And the challenge i think that im having, and im just going to go ahead and, you know, cop to my skepticism on this is that now the one person we in theory must wait for answers from is william barr. And William Barrs record just to be candid, doesnt seem to denote somebody whos willing to tell truth about donald trump or make donald trump uncomfortable or unhappy. Jeffrey epstein, like it or not, sorry trump fans, he was a threat to donald trump even just because it was embarrassing he had these connections to him. Mr. Barr had his own ties to Jeffrey Epstein. His father hired Jeffrey Epstein be to be a teacher who was not qualified to be a teacher in the Dalton High School here in new york. He worked at the law school before becoming attorney general but refused to recuse himself. He recused himself from the florida portion that had to do with the swaet heart deal Jeffrey Epstein got from mr. Acosta, but he didnt recuse from this part. Frank figliuzzi tweeted yesterday, yes ag barr overseas the u. S. Attorneys office in new york and many years ago barrs father hired to teach at the Dalton School with no private degrees so theres that. Is there a reason for the public to be skeptical about mr. Barr and he will be candid in whatever the fbi finds out about this ca . Honestly, joy, i would give the attorney general the benefit of the doubt about this one because hes said in multiple ways this is appalling to him this happened. Hes not monitoring the bureau of prisons on a daily basis and certainly not the mcc. I dont know enough about the conflicts you and frank have raised to say they are real conflicts that make a difference in whether or not he could oversee the epstein case. I will say one thing that is unrelate today the investigation of this mans death, and that is you have to wonder lets just put aside acostas incredible sweetheart deal from mr. Epstein. You have to wonder how the Southern District of new york brought a fresh new case apparently relying on a lot of the original victims and witnesses after epstein had been promised in writing a global agreement. And i am curious about what the department of justice and the Southern District communications with florida were like. What exactly did they discuss and conifer about before these new charges were brought and was that appropriate . I know everybody is sort of banging a gavel on the table, you know, justice for the victims of epstein and that makes sense but under this global agreement which may have been really inappropriate and sure looks like it how do you bring a new fresh case . Id be interested in hearing about that behind the covers. And also whether or not any prosecutions of any alleged coconspirators and my last question to you, carol, having talked to people close to Jeffrey Epstein and given their fears of what they think happened to him, do you expect there to be an autopsy that the family might at some point share with the media or make public . Stay tuned. I dont know the answer to that question this moment, but i think its a good question, joy. All right, we will definitely stay tuned. Thank you so much for your time this morning. All right, coming up beto orourke, that is next. Beto orourke, that is next memory loss related to aging . Prevagen is the number one pharmacistrecommended memory support brand. You can find it in the vitamin aisle in stores everywhere. Prevagen. Healthier brain. Better life. [ referee whistle sounds ] sport dr[ cheering ]s when you need the fuel to be your nephews number one fan. Holiday inn express. Were there. So you can be too. Since my dvt blood clot i was thinking. 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