Am joy. Im jason johnson. Were 60 days from Inauguration Day and President Trump will not admit hes lost the election. Straight up trying to overturn the will of the voters. On friday the president invited the Republican Leaders of the legislature to the white house prhouse. He appears to have been very successful. The lawyers issued a statement afterward saying, quote, we have not yet been made aware of any information that would change the outcome of the election. We will follow the law and the normal process regarding michigans electors. The state is expected to certify the Election Results on monday. Trump and his legal team have also been trying to change results in pennsylvania, wisconsin, and georgia, often with racist overtones as trump targets cities with surprisingly large africanamerican populations, but so far team trump has uncovered zero evidence of wide voter fraud. Surprise, surprise. Joining me now, david frum and thank you all for being here. Were going to start with representative iosh. I have to call out the wonderful week you got. You got attacked by the altright. What has happened to you since youve had the audacity to fight for american democracy. Thank you for having me. Ive been the center of a misinformation campaign, and as a result, ive had numerous Death Threats sent to myself, my family, and a lot of folks have paid visits, sent deliveries and the like and its been hard. The fact is i was doing my job in advocating for my community to make sure voices were heard and its unfortunate its led to a lot of threats and potential violence. Unfortunately weve seen a lot of that from President Trump attacking individuals and elected officials and anyone else who says something he doesnt want to hear. I want go go forward with that with dr. Grier. You have this attack on detroit. You have this attack on other major africanamerican areas. Dr. Grier, i was under the impression President Trump was one of the least racist americans what do you think is going on. Right because all nonracists talk about how nonracist they are. I think its interesting because in wisconsin donald trump only wants to target specific counties, surprise, surprise, with majority large black populations. Similarly in michigan he wanted to target wayne county, which is detroit, which is again not just a democratic population but a black population. This is clear. Donald trump has lost the election. He is the projected loser and he knows that, and he knows that on january 20th hell be out of a job and facing life as a civilian with tish james. I think whats really dangerous besides trying to incite violence but also the silence of Republican Leaders who need to shut this down. Republican leaders in michigan said, well, we met with the president and we didnt really come to the conclusion he wanted us to. But Republican Leaders in wisconsin, georgia, pennsylvania need to just nip it in the bud and say, plmr. President , we respect you, 71 million love you, but you didnt make the cut. David frum, i want to ask you this. You did a fantastic twitter feed i encourage everybody to take a look at. You talk about what were experiencing with donald trump. It wouldnt happen in any other wealthy democracies. You say, hey, look, you aint got to go home, but youve got to get out of here. What would need to change in america so we dont experience Something Like this again. What other laws are in place, in germany, france, and the uk, that keep us from going into these frustrating transitions . Partly because theyre parliamentary democracies. Once you lose the majority, thats it. Youre not the leader anymore. But the United States has a whole series of assumptions, habits, believes that donald trump has challenged and we discover theyre not written down anywhere. I think there are a series of items. I wrote an article in the atlantic that make subpoenas binding. Theres no sanction for lying congress. Its unusual for anyone to ever suffer any consequences from that. I think one of the things that will face the new administration is the need for some kind of democratizing agenda. Its going to seem important but not urgent compared to coronavirus and the economy. So ive been recommending there has to be some way outside of politics to step up the study of the things you need to do to make sure the law is binding, the executive branch has to answer subpoenas, there are meaningful financial disclosures, not laws left over from the 1970s. Not going to be nonpartisan, but it cant be bipartisan because so many have bought into what the pr has done. Right. And they would be caught. Adam applebaum, you wrote a great article in the atlantic that we cant go back to normal. It set us up to deal with what were dealing with now. I want you to talk a little bit about what joe biden this spins off of what david said. What does joe biden have to do transform actively with his power in the government to keep from sliding back . Biden cant just go into office and say, hey, were back in the obama years. He needs to make some changes from the obama years. What changes do s d s does he h made . We need to look at some of the things that have been norms in our sew sault and ask whether its time to maim them laws instead, but he needs to look at the position of america in the world. I would like to see biden not just renew our alliances in the sense of reciting old mantras about nato and friendships with japan or australia. I wont like him to begin to launch a new democracy agenda in which we talk about how we as a group of nations in the world can fight against encroaching autocracy, can fight against the trends toward liberalism in our own societies. There are things we can learn from one projects we can do together. We can fight Money Laundering that transforms and corrupts all of our politics together. We can discuss social media platforms and how they need to change. Thats what i would like to see the Biden Administration do. Thats actually really key. The lack of regulation we have soefr social media and the amount of disinformation that comes out, its as much a dangerous weapon as others. Representative aaiyash, i wat you to talk about this when we come back. Most Republican Leaders are refusing the democratic process. If a president wasnt elected legally, then no one was elected legally. The call your republicans to start acting like americans and support. America won. Tomb f its time for republicans to put america first. Representative aiyash, youre in a state where you had a bunch of crazy folk tries to attack, kidnap, and murder elected officials. Do you think thats going to help republicans show some spine and democracy or are we going to be in the same trap six months from now . Look. The american experiment only works if were willing to keep and sustain it. Ignoring institutions and not dealing with them is extremely problematic. I tell people im not a partisan hack, blue till i die or deep red. Are we willing to sustain it, and when the decisions are not what we want, are we willing to respect and say despite political differences were still going to recognize and dig nigh phi one another and make sure those very institutions are kept intact . When certain leaders from the Republican Party are continuing to refuse the results of this election, the voters have decided. We cannot simply try to use the institutions of certifying the election to continue to put in stopgaps, to delay, to delay, to delay, to appease a single individual. America will continue forward, but we have to make sure were holding those accountable that are trying to stop this experiment. So i want to take this to dr. G r greer real quick. Weve been let down by the legal system, medical city. Youve had a large number of black people in flint be poisoned but never threaten to kidnap and murder a governor. You have those who dont get their way, they may feel violence is their only answer. Right. I think this goes back to the heart of something anne spoke about which is that in this country we have a real question. My research touches on it and others, and thats can black people ever be real citizens . I think thats a real question. When joe biden comes into office, jason, hes got to think about undoing four years of damage where a Republican Party has aided in devaluing various citizens from the muslim community, lgbtq community, the list goes on and on. Joe biden needs to think substantively and creatively about creating some sort of office that looks at the past four years, not just the past 400 but four years at what this President Trump has done to systematically devalue the systematics of people of color and marginalized people in this country. When will they see us . 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A lot of people say covid is a hoax, that masks dont work, that masks are publicized. Frustrating trying to correct people. Reporter throughout the country, there are 40,000 to 50,000 traveling nurses taking on assignments, but now during the pant, theyre in demand like never before. According to trusted health, the nurses fees are now twice as much as precovid levels. Right now there are thousands of open jobs. The supply of nurses are being tapped out. Theyre on assignment doing the heroic work theyve been doing for the now nine months. The front lines are seeing death daily. Reporter with north dakota allowing infected by asymptomatic workers to treat covid patients, 60 air force nurses are now headed to that state as backup. Were tired. Were physically and emotionally exhausted. Were pretty much at our breaking point. Reporter the shortage is not always beds, protective gear, and equipment, its nursing staff. Joining us now is a professor, a fellow tar heel and lauri porter of National Health care assistance. I want to start with you now. Theres been an actual explosion of people applying to nursing school, people applying to medical school. Its similar to what we saw with people wanting to sign up for the armed forces after 9 11, but its going to take years for people to get back into the system to deal with the virus. Whats being down now to prepare people to get the staff out there to help with these shortages. You know, thats a really excellent point, jason. Its heartening to hear soo many people maintain the commitment to wanting to help their fellow citizens, friends, Family Members by joining the medical profession. What we really need to see right now is that same collective sense of responsibility coming from the general public. If you think about a Health Care Provider who has helped you in the past, who has savinged your life or the life of a Family Member of yours, think now about what theyre facing in order to do their jobs. As you point out, there are critical shortages, individuals are coming to work who may have symptoms, mild symptoms, but theyre encouraged to work because there is no other option. Those individuals are working in the presence of knowing what could happen. Early on in the pandemic, i have a colleague in cardiology who was so concerned about the risks that she was facing that she and other Health Care Providers werent going home to their families after shifts. They were staying in separate residences, changing clothes, adhering to all of these best practices because not only are they putting their lives at risk in order to help others, they are also putting their own families lives at risk, and if the public cant do the same by Wearing Masks and practicing social distancing, it is very unfair for the burden of these Health Care Workers. Laurie porter, i want to talk to you because this is the kind of people that you represent. As we saw in that great package before, look, some Place Health Care workers go and people cheer them, theyre treated like heroes. And in other places, theyre treated with conceskepticism . How do you deal with that . How can we look after these people when they have to go to these places . Well, i mean, on the frontline theres no one closer than the folks that are a part of our organization, cnn, certified nursing assistants, that work at the side of nurses across the country in all health care sectors, and what were hearing is unbelievable in terms of how theyre being treated, even in places where theyre given discounts, people behind them in the Grocery Store line will say, why do they deserve a discount . Its harassment at every level of health care right now, and we 14,000 nursing students who cant graduate because theres no one to provide their clinicals. Same with nursing aides. Theres no one to support the very front line whos battling this. Ive pointed this out many times. Ive seen what ends up happening when schools go virtual. People cant go in. They cant do their labs or bios and were losing or delaying a whole generation of medical technicians who should be out there. Absolutely. Dr. Carnethon, we have to fight disinformation in health care. I want to show you this and get your comments on the way back. What we have is there are Actual Health care ceos out there spreading disinformation. What on earth are we supposed to do to battle covid when we have professionals who are supposed to know better who are spreading disinformation through email, facebook, and other areas . I think what we need is for everyone to speak up, for Health Care Professionals speak up that its not true, that once youre infected and recovered from covid, you no longer need to wear a mask. We need people to point out that its not true you can no longer transmit covid to someone else if youve already had the infection. All of this is untrue. What i see is an opportunity for student delayed in their training and doing their clinicals, what they can do right now is contribute to the Public Health efforts that we have out there. Get the message out about individuals taking responsibility to protect themselves and their families, communicate, do their best to try to interpret the science in a way that appeals to people, in a way they that can understand because we have to it cant be one person. It cant be the opportunity youre giving me to speak to millions of people. I cant be the ohm person fighting these untruths. Everybody plays a role. This is what Public Health is about. Lets start new rumors that its critically important that if you care about people that you wear a mask. Its critically important that you make compromises to your own personal freedoms in the same way that Health Care Professionals are compromising and restricting their own personal freedoms right now. Its only by doing that that we can come out on the other side of this intact. Dr. Carnethon, if somebody in your profession, a doctor is caught spreading disinformation, do you think there should be professional sanctions, should be brought up against the board, lose their license if theyre caught in spreading this disinformation during a pa pandemic . Thats an interesting kwechlt it could stop people, have them make a decision not to make statements in the same wayty psychological field does not make psychological diagnoses of public figure