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MSNBCW AM Joy November 22, 2020

At least 36 lawsuits in six swing states. So far no court has found a single instance of voter fraud. Its hiding under trumps healthcare plan. Thats not stopping trump. In georgia after a hand recount affirmed joe bidens victory again, the Trump Legal Team demanded a second recount that will also not change the results. In michigan, trump invited the states Republican Leaders to the white house seeking their help. But even they say theyve seen nothing that would change the outcome of the election. And late on saturday, a federal judge in pennsylvania dismissed trumps legal fight there in a scathing opinion that reads, quote, this court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations. Unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence. In the United States of america, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter let alone all the voters in its sixth most populated state. Wow, play that with the ether by in the back of your head. In response, pennsylvanias republican senator pat toomey joined a small group of republicans, small they can fit in Donald Trumps small hands, who actually acknowledged the president elect joe biden is the president elect. Meanwhile, after a leisurely day of golfing, donald trump took to twitter to air his grievances for fest fus giuliani vowed to continue this doomed fight in court. Joining me now, are elle, justice correspondent for the nation, curt, former Senior Adviser for the lincoln project, david jolly and alexi, axes yio reporter. Elle, look, im not a lawyer and i dont play one on tv, but that seemed like an epic smackdown with prejudice. Is there any room legally for trump to do anything else when judges are basically dropping disk tracks on these guys when they say theyre throwing out these cases . I used to tell my boss, hey, i can get sued by anybody. My job is to make sure they dont win. Thats what were at with giuliani. They can sue as much as they want. Theyre just not going to win. People need to understand, you know nobody who is as bad at their job as Rudolph Giuliani sat being a lawyer. He is terrible. Okay . So, what we need to do at this point, and i praise congressman, new jersey congressman bill parscal jr. Brought bar complaints against Rudy Giuliani in the five districts hes admitted. Thats what needs to happen now. These are frivolous lawsuits. Its rule 11 there to sanction lawyers who do this kind of bad things. All right . These people are unethical. They are bringing frivolous lawsuits and they should be punished and sanctioned by the courts. And if we had a strong country, that is what would be happening right now. Speaking of a strong country, we appear to have one party that won an election and another party thats still playing in an alternate universe. David jolly, what do you think of the fact that pat toomey admitted the obvious and were still dealing with this miniature group of republicans that admitted to the audience. Why do you think theyre lying to themselves when donald trump will be out of power in only 50 something days . Yeah, jason, i love that question. Look, you have a group of republicans who four years into this still havent figured out how to navigate trumpism and trumps voters. But i want to lean in on something elie just said because this reflects the behavior of republicans now at large. There are within the Legal Community a code of professional conduct. And giuliani is an attorney. We think of lawyers arguing before a judge as though theyre just arguing. Theyre considered officers of the court. Theyre not allowed to perpetrate a fraud or dishonesty on the court. Thats exactly whats happening. The judge actually said one of these arguments is like the frankensteins monsters, his words, the judges words, because its been so haphazardly stitched together. Thats what republicans are defending in this moment with their silence. And my concern, you know, i continue to say, jason, is this the constitution has a way to deal with all of this, right . Donald trump when he tried the hunter biden issue ended up getting impeached. The constitution provided for that. The courts have a remedy for all of these frivolous accusations. The inauguration will confirm joe biden as our president. Well a peaceful transfer. But what the constitution cannot protect against is the deceit of a man using the bully pulpit to defraud about a third of the country to believe none of this legitimate. In that the republican silence is damning because it is the republican class of elected officials right now that will ensure that after january 20th a large percent of our country doesnt believe in the legit masy of our elections. The constitution cant protect against that. We expect our leaders to protect against that. Republican silence unfortunately is going to tear at that fabric which will be very hard to recover from. Yeah. David, you know, the constitution doesnt have just a liars clause, if it did, it might save auz lot of trouble in our current environment. Alexi, i want to bring this to you. So recently were talking about the fact that a lot of republicans dont acknowledge the truth, but we have the secretary of state in georgia now saying, hey, look, i like trump. But the guy lost. From your sources talking to the campaign, talking to some of the legal team thats still left, when you have republicans who are coming out and saying, look, ive looked at all the numbers, this is over. Does the team trump, do they still believe they can get anywhere with this . Are they wasting money collecting cash at this point . Look, jason, thank you for having me and happy sunday to all of you guys. I mean, there are a very clear, small group of believers in the president right now, Rudy Giuliani, included who get up there and really fight for him in ways that they believe publicly and privately but a Trump Campaign adviser told axios on friday that this entire situation is a joke and referred to it as something i cant say on tv which is an s show. Really just reflecting the fact that folks inside know that this is going nowhere. The facts are not on President Trumps side. What is really fascinating, jason, is that all of these frantic, fraught legal strategies they are pursuing are having the exact opposite effect that President Trump is intending. It is dispelling this cloud of corruption that President Trump has claimed exists over the entire election and its process by forcing states to provide a verified and legally binding account of president elect joe bidens win. And that is the opposite effect that President Trump wants and hes continuing to follow these baseless claims and alternative facts which are just showing how much he has lost by and really cementing his legacy in someone who is kicking and screaming on his way out because he cant accept the outcome of the election. Every single court ruling is another brick in the wall thats going to lock donald trump out of the white house. Kirk, you wrote an interesting piece this week in nbc thank you talk about the fact when biden comes in theres things they have to evaluate and look at. When i look at the pe napoli of lawsuits that happened across the country, the first thing that occurs to me is maybe there needs to be legislation, maybe there needs to be suggestions of federal legislation in place so that we dont have to worry about all of these individual court cases. What do you think the Biden Administration should be thinking about at the electoral level to prevent Something Like this from happening again . You know, jason, i think what weve seen in these four years are the real cracks and the dents in our checks and balances system. And how when you have the unthinkable in power, theyre able to exploit those cracks and wreak havoc on democracy. Were seeing right now in this process the gsa administrator leaning on not definitive language to justify not acknowledging president joe bidens win to freeze out funds and not do things that government transition needs to have happen, these are things we can codify and put definitive language in Going Forward that gives a specific process for how the transition should work for when the transition should be designated by the gsa administrator. When you look at all the things that have happened, inspector generals getting fired, u. S. Attorneys losing their job for doing their job, whether the watchdogs being frozen out of government, having no congressional oversight or no mechanism in realtime challenge those things when the executive branch goes against congress, we need to have all of those things put back in place. President elect biden needs to assume that Going Forward we may find ourselves in another moment in time where we have someone who doesnt care about democracy and our institutions in that office and what safeguards we can put in place to ensure that our democracy can survive. Im telling you, if we go through this one more time, if we have another four year period at some point in the future thats like this, i dont think we can come out on the other side of that. Elie, im going to wave a magic wand and you have become attorney general. You are the great legal power of the new Biden Administration. What would you be doing legally at a federal level or a state level if you can influence it to keep us from trying to keep us from having to go through this kind of brinkmanship again in another election in two years or four years . Well, first of all, i would apply all the ethical rules. Kurt brought up this gsa admin tray store, emmy murray. She should be sued for dereliction of her duty. I would bring that as bidens attorney general. I would sue people for ethics violations. The Trump Administration has been so ethically questionable that we kind of just let it roll over ourselves. Right . Its an ethical violation, not a statutory. Look, ethics violations are there. We have rules and those are supposed to be the guardrails. And when we have gotten so lax in this country about basic, ethical requirements, i would start i would start putting teeth behind those ethical requirements. I would start suing people. I would start suing judges who give fundraising dinner invitations. I would start suing all of these people for their ethical failures to bring america back to some level of moral standard. I personally have no problem with going through some of these highly incompetent judges that trump put in place and impeaching them, right . We can get rid of some of these people. David, im curious about this, so when i look at a lot of these republicans, a lot of the fears that they used to express say under the obama administration, oh, well, we dont want obama to get in office and do to us what has been done to black people, this, that or the other. Republicans who engaged in these shenanigans, arent they worried that joe biden could come in and do the same thing . Arent they worried one day a democrat could come into power and abuse power the same way or do they just think democrats dont have the spine for it . Yeah. Look, jason, thats a fantastic question because i think its a question of leadership and a question of direction for my democratic friends and for joe biden. Do you accept the debasement of baseline political expectations and activities that the Republican Party has engaged in and say thats the new low . And thats the Playing Field we want to play on . Or do you rise above it . And rising above it, you create some vulnerability, right, dealing with somebody who is going to punch below the belt, you know, are you still going to play by the rules . Youve got to convince the American People that thats the right direction. And what i would say in terms of the possibility that actually joe biden and democrats could succeed with taking the high road, is if you look at the Closing Argument of the election the last 30 days, it was not really an ideological one. It was not one that was really punching down at trump. It was that message of unity and one america and joe bidens phrase whether you voted for me or not, im going to be a president to all people. Joe biden and democrats can stay on that level and bring the American People with them, well enter a new era in american politics. Alexi, as much as i love decentral trump. We have to know whats next. What is the next plan of his legal team . They cant seem to pull a victory or rabbit or anything out of a hat . Do they have any other plans . Or are they just still screaming and putting up messages on youtube pages . Its a little bit of all those thing. As you eluded to earlier in the segment theyre asking for yet another recount in georgia. Again, just really trying to go through this thing kicking and screaming to cast a larger doubt on the la gist masy of the Election Results, on the lo gist masy on president elect joe bidens win and on the legitimacy on our entire democratic process. We talked about this in segments before this show and little during this show thats a lasting effect on society that President Biden will have to address in many ways not just with folks in his own party but with republicans who are so far unwilling to really speak out in mass about the fact that what President Trump is doing is not based in reality. Thank you so much. Elie and kurt, thank you. David jolly and alexi are sticking around. Well see them later in the show. 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More than 1 Million People still passed through the countrys airports on friday. And the second highest single travel rush since the start of the pandemic. Despite the cdc advisory to not travel for the holidays. Joining me now to discuss, chip rogers, sara nelson and dr. Kavita patel. Thank you all so very much. Doctor, i want to start with you. What kind of danger are we seeing just in airports of tons of people crowding in for hours and hours and hours in order to prepare for a flight . Jason, thank you for bringing that up. Good morning to everyone. The biggest danger honestly is the fact that the majority of cases that were starting to see are people who are asymptomatic because of that exact phenomenon, jason. Theyre in crowded spaces. Theyre indoors. And candidly even the people Wearing Masks, jason, are not actually wearing them properly. Ive seen a lot of images just on the news today of people with their mask kind of hanging around their mouth. If youre not doing that and not staying six feet apart and candidly youre people are shouting so their voices are raised and we know that that can project particles in the air that stick around, that is literally the definition of a superspreader event. Perspreader. Yeah. Its interesting. I was just in the airport to come up here to new york and i see people Wearing Masks that are pulled down. Its like wearing a safety helmet on your butt. Its not going to work, right . Flight attendants have a particular ntrisk, right . Theyve got to be on the plane for hours on end with people who may or may not be behaving responsibility, people whoe ma or may not have covid. What kinds of things are flight attendants asking for the airlines to do to keep them protected during this heavy traffic week . Look, were in a weird spot because were essential workers andse air travel is essential t attacking the virus. But we also dont have enough work. Air travel is down 50 and businesses are not having people travel. People who are in leadership roles are following cdc guidelines and saying were not going to travel right now. So here we are, on the front lines without any direction from the federal government. I do want to recognize that the airlines have worked very closely with us on putting in place layers of safety and security. Without that leadership coming from the federal government, what you have is not enough people to help people understand how to wear those masks and how to stay safe. If everyone is wearing their masks and following those guidelines, it can actually be a controlled environm

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