President s continued downplaying of it all. And well dig into that jawdropping headline out of michigan, a foiled plot to kidnap the sitting governor, revealing a brewing battle in the shadows on our own shores. This is american voices. For the First Time Since leaving walter reed, the president decided it was time to stump again, holding a Campaign Event from the white house balcony. Its the second possible covid spreading event hes held. The first is believed to be where he contracted the virus. Hundreds were on the south lawn today, screaming and cheering for the president who could still be shedding the virus just feet away. The administration has so far refused to tell us when the president last tested positive as america surpasses 215,000 lyes lost. Do you remember when he had his last negative test . I dont want to go backwards. The last negative test . I cant reveal that at this time. The doctors would like to keep it private since its his private have you been tested recently . Yeah. I just saw the doctors today. They have think im in great shape. Im in great shape. Did you test negative . And ill tell you, i took this regeneron. Its phenomenal. The last negative test, you dont have that. You dont know or you dont want to say . So we dont have that. Well, i dont personally know. It was just two weeks ago today that the president formally nominated his Third Supreme Court justice, amy coney barrett. Hardly a mask in sight. Five days later, we learned the president and first lady were infected, and since a dozen members of his staff have tested positive too. Meanwhile, joe biden earlier today condemning the president for not being transparent about his testing. While calling him out for not understanding what americans are going through. Americans deserves a president who understands what the people are going through. Youre facing real challenges right now, and the last thing you need is a president who exacerbates. The fact is the president can only see the world from park avenue. Joining me now from the white house is nbc news political reporter monica alba. Also with us alex thomson, National Political reporter for politico. Hayes brown, post of buzz cast and Lauren Gambino political reporter for guardian. I want to start with you, 20 minutes for this event that was very short in trump time. Was it expected to be only 20 minutes . It wasnt, alicia. In fact, the white house had told us to expect a slightly longer speech. So it was notable when the president wrapped up after those only 18 minutes that you reference. And we have to wait and see over the next couple of days how he is going to be able to do his typical campaign rallies. He is going to be on the road. His campaign announcing today with backtoback rallies monday, tuesday, and wednesday in key battleground states. And as ive covered him over the last few years, he normally speaks for anywhere from an hour to 90 minutes, sometimes even two hours. So a big question mark there about whether he really is healthy enough to do those lengthy kind of speeches. Today seemed to be a preview of sorts of what he may be able to do. But so critical to this conversation, alicia, is also what we dont know at this time. For so long, the doctors position had indicate head wouldnt return to public engagements until he was technically clear. And that would mean two or one negative test results. We havent gotten that. We should also point out we havent even gotten a memo or any Additional Information from the president s doctors all day yesterday or all day today. The last time we received a normal update was thursday evening. So many Unanswered Questions as you raised there in your intro, also pointing to this timeline to find out when the president last tested negative before his positive diagnosis. So we just have a better sense here of the exposure and all those events. But again, the white house and the Reelection Campaign going full steam ahead with getting him back on the road and clearing him to travel before actually providing the medical justification for that, it seems. One of the stops that he is expected to make, florida where i am on monday, any indication of what that event is going to look like . This is actually going to be a rescheduled event he was supposed to be in orlando, florida, just the day after he actually tested positive for coronavirus. So this is sort of a makeup event because he had to cancel that when he was ill and had to go to walter reed for that multiday stay in the hospital as he was recovering. This is absolutely going to be an event they wanted to do, focusing on this very important state. Had he been there last week, it was going to be his fourth city in florida that he was in as many weeks. Its something theyre going to be returning to of course in this final stretch. And he is going to be making all his typical pitches to florida, which also we should point out is now his official residence. When he changed from new york to florida, its a place the Trump Campaign feels if he doesnt do well in that state, his reelection hopes are really in question. So thats why you also had Vice President mike pence in the state today, visiting and doing several events. This is why they feel its great to have the president back on the road. Symbolically, his first major event back. And we should point out they expected in the thousands to attend back when that event was supposed to take place last week. As many as 12,000 people may be at this rally on monday. Wow, which weve seen as hallmarks from these events, very limited social distancing, if any. And even more inconsistent mask usage, alicia . Lauren, i think a lot of people are probably wondering what i am wondering, which is if you listen to the sound from the event earlier today, it sure sounded like a Campaign Event. How is the president managing to use that messaging in the peoples house . His aides have said this was absolutely a white house event. But as you heard, you have heard the chanting and the cheering as he came out with a law and order message which is very much central to his campaign messaging. He cast biden and democrats, he attacked democrats from this balcony, from the white house. And so, you know, trump said he said in recent interviews he really wants to get back on the trail as monica said, he has been angling to get back out there, and his campaign is behind joe biden and National Battleground state polls. So they just really want him to be as present as possible. But obviously, this is an incredibly risky event to hold. The president talked a little bit about that ride he took around walter reed last week. Take a listen. In that hospital, i was watching down over so many people, and i went out to say hello to those people. I took a little heat for it, but id do it again, let me tell you. Id do it again. Hayes, he says he would do it again. Whats been the response from inside the white house from republicans on capitol hill about the president really doubling down on what a lot of people thought was dangerous behavior . So you see a lot of distancing happening right now, actually, especially in terms of republicans in the senate trying to step away fry the president and his handling of the coronavirus as we get into these last few weeks of the election. Mitch mcconnell sort of green light last week when he said i havent been to the white house in weeks. We just talk on the phone. And i dont really agree with how theyve been so lax about coronavirus. And so i think that gave a lot of other republicans who are in tight races permission to step away from the Trump Administration on this. That doesnt mean that theyre going to speak out fully against him. It doesnt mean that they arent going to welcome him into their state if he does get back on the road and campaign in all of these places. But theyre very much aware that over the last few weeks, weve seen the president take a hit with certain groups such as seniors, which is why we saw that kind of bizarre video from him on twitter earlier this week, and why we saw mike pence at the largest Retirement Center in florida today. He is trying to shore back up consistencies and republicans arent quite believing that its going to be enough right at this moment. Alex, i want you to tie two stories together for me. You both have weve seen in the last ten days the president s diagnosis, the way he has handled that diagnosis. And then also the story from the times looking at his tax records, a story that continues to evolve. Today the latest installment looking at the ways that some companies private Interest Groups might have benefitted from their relationship with the president. Looking at that in the aggregate, how are those stories now shaping the final days of this campaign. Well, on the first story, ill say that trump is responding to catching the coronavirus much very similar to the way he has reacted to the country catching coronavirus, and that his response has been to try to power through this. He has ignored some of the advice of his own scientists in both cases. He has also hid certain information from the American People in both cases in order to try to espouse a more positive version. And so he is making a dramatic bet that the American People are going to give him credit that yes, maybe he would be a little bit reckless, but he is the guy to sort of power through this crisis and to restore america to precovid. Now joe biden obviously is making an incredibly different bet. Now when it comes to the tax issue, president trump, this is also started the seeds. This is from his own problems earlier four years ago when he promised to release his tax returns, never did. Got away with it, and now that is sort of coming back to haunt him in the final days of this race. Now joe biden is barely even talking about it. Yes, he is talking about park street versus main street. But he is sort of letting the times and the media sort of do his work for him and hoping that trump will be upset about it and talk about it even more. Monica, is the white house still contending with this tax story . Are they still pushing back on it . Or has coronavirus really taken their attention at this point . Aides and allies that i spoke to after the first debate were surprised that the tax story didnt take up more of the oxygen and attention at that event. They thought that was something they were going to have to respond to quite intensely. And exactly once the president and himself and his closest aide hope hicks was diagnosed with coronavirus, the story fully shifted. So they do expect it can come back. But i dont think there is anything that is breaking through just as intensely as the fact that the president , the first lady, dozens of there closest aides and contacts and people that they came into contact with in the last couple of weeks testing positive. That story just really i think resonates with every American Voter who themselves is going through whatever experience theyve had with the virus and health crisis, and making a judgment for themselves about what kind of leadership they want to see reflected because you really couldnt have two more different visions between the president and former Vice President joe biden who has of course made coronavirus the centerpiece of his campaign with just a couple of weeks to go. All right. Monica, alex, hayes, and lauren, thank you all for your time. Still ahead on american voices, the president says dont let covid19, quote, dominate you. Well introduce you to three people who beg to differ. Plus, the foiled plot to kidnap michigans governor. The men taken down for it shedding light on a brewing crisis in this country. And she is tough but is she likable . The predictable and frankly eye roll worthy fallout from the first and only Vice President ial debate. Te 1 in 2 kids is underhydrated. 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Just last week, the president of the United States stood before the American People and refused to condemn White Supremacists and hate groups, like these two michigan militia groups. Stand back and stand by he told them. Stand back and stand by. The fbi announcing it foiled a plot to kidnap michigan governor gretchen whitmer. 13 white men were charged in connection with the plot. All of them belong to rightwing militia groups. Lets be clear. That means they are homegrown terrorists. A growing reality in this country that this administration has largely refused to accept and address. And then there is the whitmer trump factor. The president has unleashed numerous attacks on the governor since the pandemic hit, and that didnt change when he responded to news of this foiled plot. A spokesperson for attorney general bill barr, however, says the ag finds the allegations abhorrent. Lets bring in nbcs brandy zedrosni, and author of the book how to catch a russian spy. Brandy, weve heard that these guys were part of something called the wolverine watchmen. Thats part of the Boogaloo Movement. Who are they . What do they believe in this . Well, the Boogaloo Movement is an armed antigovernment white extremist movement. Mostly it targets liberal political opponents and Law Enforcement. Their goal is really to start a civil war in the u. S. They call it the boogaloo, and thats a joking reference to a 1980s break dancing movie. Its sort of silly. Its a lot online. But what it is also incredibly violent. Just this year a california man was accused of killing a Police Officer and a federal agent. Other members of the boogaloo were arrested and accused of trying to partner with hamas. There are two or three men who are arrested in las vegas on terrorist charges at a black lives matter protest. This is a dangerous homegrown terrorist organization. And you can tell Law Enforcement is really, really watching for it now. And theyre monitoring it on facebook where a lot of these groups and people sort of congregate and organize. Facebook took those groups down in june, and now were seeing sort of the fallout of Law Enforcements tracking of them. What does it tell you that they focus their ire on the governor of michigan . Well, first, let me congratulate the Trump Campaign in their coveted endorsement by the taliban. Look, i think its an important thing to look at this and say that we had armed men storming the capitaol. I just got off the phone with a police chief and the frustration local Law Enforcement feels when they still protect the right to bear arms. They want to also protect the first amendment. But the fact that people are showing up to protests armed, they view as an escalation, as an attempt to intimidate, to terrorize. And for a host of reasons, the Boogaloo Boys and other groups have focused on this governor. And the fact that we cant have a president that can come out and completely condemn this and specifically condemn it i think is, frankly, very clearly being heard by these groups as nothing short but a call to arms. And as someone who grew up in the post9 11 world and served in the military, its frustrating for me to see that i know that if this was indeed an isis group or someone for isis or al qaeda, right now there would be a drone strike going against a Training Camp somewhere. Obviously, we cant do that here. But we can use Law Enforcement and the frustration they have, and we dont have bill barr, let alone the president speaking out directly and strongly against these groups and condemning them and priority tying them just means that once again, just like with covid, Law Enforcement is sort of left to its own devices in an unequal way in dealing with this. Let me just drill down there. Why hasnt the u. S. Government labeled the Boogaloo Movement domestic terrorism . There is an important point to make about domestic terrorism. It doesnt really hold much legal water. The difference is when we say someone is supporting isis or al qaeda, there is an interna