Craig, thank you so much. Tell us about the feeling out there and who is showing up and what that means. I can tell you that they have respected the wishes of the family. There are no protesters here. Everyone has been solemn and somber. They started lining up an hour and a half before the funeral service. There was a line around the church. The service is running about 30 or 40 minutes behind schedule. The main sanctuary is filled to capacity. Theyve got some space in an overflow room. Folks are being sent there right now. Weve seen a number of notable politicians and celebrities as well. Senator Claire Mccaskill is inside. Mayor ferguson is also inside. Spike lee, tom joyner, Martin Luther king iii. All of them inside paying their respects to the family of Michael Brown. I spent some time yesterday talking to not just Michael Browns parents but also the parents of trayvon martin. They have come into town, come into ferguson to be part of a peace rally yesterday. I just so happened to have the conversation with them right after they had viewed their sons body for the very last time. Take a listen. I looked down. I talked to him. I touched him. It was like a dream. A nightmare. Dreams are good. Smiles, talk. We used to talk every day. And i had a conversation with my son, it really bothers me. He was saying, how do you feel . Whats going on today . And seeing him in the casket today made it reality. I also asked Michael Browns parents about the investigation. Theres been so much talk about the local prosecutor, bob mccullough, whether he should recuse himself or step aside. Governor nixon saying that he is not going to do that. The prosecutor saying that he is not going to step aside. Michael browns parents said yesterday they wish that he would, chris. Thank you so much, craig melvin doing great reporting in st. Louis. Thank you again. For more perspective on the National Impact of the Michael Brown shooting, michael from the National Urban league and charlotte who is president , director counsel of the naacp Legal Defense and education fund. Thank you both. Thanks for having us. Lets talk about the first thing. Justice. And i am trying to figure it out as a newsperson how that is answered. How the question of justice, demand for justice is answered. Is it maybe im being optimistic, but is it about reform, incarceration, punishment of the officer . Is it simply that or a combination of things that show respect for the deceased . In the instant case it is about accountability for the officer who took the life of Michael Brown. And while we are going to have a much broader discussion in america about Police Community relations and criminal justice reform, we cannot lose sight of the fact that this is about justice for this gentle giant, this teenager Michael Brown who lost his life at the hands of this officer. Heres the challenge, chris. The challenge is historically when weve had instances like this, the criminal Justice System has not delivered justice. Too many instances, too many cases where officers engage in excessive uses of force, they are exonerated. They are either not indicted or they are tried and they are acquitted. Thats why these feelings are so raw because the history points to the fact that its difficult to achieve justice in cases like this. So an indictment for homicide is the minimal demand here . I think an indictment, a charge, and im not going to get into right now what that charge should be. I know people are saying it should be homicide it should be murder. But i think an indictment for excessive use of force, whether it comes in the context of a civil rights case or the context of a state law case, we have got to have accountability or these tensions, these tensions will not abate. Let me go to charlotte. You are the lawyer here. Explain this. The grand jury is an unusual situation. They arent exactly fair. Not exactly a courtroom. But is it a majority vote . We have 12 members of this jury. Three minority, africanamerican. Im a political guy. Im thinking if you get the three minorities if you get three then you only need four more to get a prosecution here. How do you look at it . Of course, everyone is talking about the makeup of the grand jury. The grand jury system is usually the tool of the prosecutor. The prosecutor as they say can get an indictment for a ham sandwich. Of course, it has to be a prosecutor who wants an indictment. And in the normal course of circumstances in this kind of case, were this not a Police Officer, wed assume an indictment would be forthcoming. But this is not the case. Whats your basis for making that judgment . You have somebody who was unarmed who was shot and killed by someone else, right . But a Police Officer. But once you add in the Police Officer, now it raises the question of, what is the will of the prosecutor. But im asking about the youre the attorney, im not. A Police Officer has flexibility in terms of doing his job or her job. It goes beyond some character named zimmerman who thinks hes a night watchman for the world. Obviously they are different cases. Even though the emotions in the city are similar. If this were not a police person, wed expect the indictment to be forthcoming. Once its a police person, not only for the reason you suggest, but for the history that mark described, for the benefit of the doubt that Police Officers are so regularly given, we dont necessarily expect theres going to be an indictment. You lay ter over with the racial tensions, layer it over with not only that this prosecutor has such a strong relationship with the st. Louis police department, but most prosecutors have a strong relationship with the police department. And you have the recipe for perhaps not getting that indictment. I watched this politically. Ive never heard of a it almost sets up a prejudicial case. Now were just talking about an indictment. Its not just an indictment. You are indicting for murder or homicide. Im asking you next step. In the rodney king case you had people charged and brought to trial and they were acquitted. If you bring in a special prosecutor, especially with a your defendant is a Police Officer. Would you want to see a special prosecutor brought in with the idea shes going to indict . I think every prosecutor who assembled a grand jury, people assume theres going to be an indictment. Thats already a the idea of a special prosecutor. This is a sitting grand jury. The idea of the special prosecutor is someone disconnected from the facts of the case. That should benefit both sides. What you should support a fair outcome. Bring in a special prosecutor. Do they have a nonbiased approach to the case . I should hope so. I dont think anybody, certainly not me as a lawyer is asking to bring in someone who is going to put a thumb on the scale. Were asking for someone who is removed from the local pressure and from the relationships with the local Police Officers. The special prosecutor is exactly that. That theyre not connected, not elected in this jurisdiction. So theyll not be swayed as much, quote, by the court of Public Opinion. Should we change the venue of the case . You said there would be Public Opinion involved. Put this before a regular jury . Why change the prosecutor but not change the venue . One of the reasons why you might consider changing the prosecutor is because of mcculloughs history and reputation. Its the family relationships. They are all intertwined. I accept all that. But the community has a point of view, too. How do you find anyone in a jury pool in ferguson . Weve had this on the air for two weeks. Other networks have covered it. Its in everybodys soul right now. Everybody has an attitude. We dont all have the information unfortunately. Were all judging this my point of view through glass darkly. The policy of the Justice Department is to deforelocal officials. My point of view is that the best case, best place to prosecute Police Misconduct cases are in the federal courts under the federal civil rights laws. What you get is youll get a jury from the region of st. Louis, not simply a jury from st. Louis county. You have a broad what do you think . This guy does face, in a sense, double jeopardy because its involving the police. Could be a civil rights case. I grew up with that. Are the police going to do the job . Thats a civil rights case. Could he get both . I think its a could he be indicted twice . He could be. The question is, would that happen . If he were indicted and convicted, would there be any reason for the federal authorities to come forward and bring forward a case . Probably not if theyd consider it overkill. They tend to do it as in the rodryney king case where the state prosecution failed. Then there are these other civil rights charges pending and they prosecute that case. Governor rendell and the great District Attorney of philly. All the arguments about fairness. If you are the defendant, what do you want . He said the local guy. Depends on how you look at it. We shouldnt be talking like this on a funeral day, but its the next question after the funeral. Yeah, it is. Thats why the question you asked at the top of the hour about justice, im glad were talking about the funeral. This is a human being. This is not just the justice of one knas somebody going to jail. Its about making sure this doesnt happen in the future. I agree. Were talking about a parents agony. What made that argument for me, four hours lying in the street. Thank you. Thanks for joining us. Much more ahead on Andrea Mitchell reports. Well be right back. 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Meanwhile, an al qaeda Offshoot Group released a reporter being held for more than two years in syria. Peter theo curtis is expected to be reunited with his family in the next few days. Hostage situations are part of a complex situation for the Obama Administration as they debate whether to use military action to deal with the threat from isis. Lets bring in Ayman Mohyeldin and chuck todd, business in chief White House Correspondent and starting two weeks from now, the moderator of meet the press. First on the update over there, is there a sense over there that theres a lot of people coming from the west, perhaps islam nick their backgrounds but living in the west in europe and the United States who are part of a network that were trying to get into and figure out by going after this killer who cut the head off of james foley . Yeah, British Intelligence officials, obviously, backed by the west, including the u. S. , are tapping into these communities. Particularly here in london. Obviously, the people that are going to fight in syria and iraq are not doing so an their own. They are part of larger support network that includes recruitment and more importantly, the persistence of an ideology finding a home in some of the communities in europe where theres growing dissent and discomfort. Obviously, British Intelligence sources are going to not only investigate the videotape and use some of the intelligence means they have at their disposal but also using a lot of the community here to try and find out the identities of these people who are the people that are going, what are their families doing, who is financing this travel to try to bring this situation under control. Take a look at this exchange between keir simmons and a group of extremists over the weekend discussing isis in iraq and the death of james foley. There are a lot of people who would feel they do have a duty to protect themselves and defend against america. Killing a journalist isnt protecting yourself. Who is really to blame for the death of james foley . I believe its the Foreign Policy of obama. Its the man who put that knife in his neck surely. The fithing youve got to as why was this particular man chose snen it seems like he was chosen because he was an american citizen. I dont know where that takes us. What do you make of that comment . Obviously, an attack an our country, an attack on america. They picked out an american to do this to. What is all the nonsense about this guy . Well, certainly theres no doubt its a very disturbing sound bite to hear from that individual. Certainly in the minds of individuals like that and some in the community, and they are not representative of the larger population. Thats important to keep in mind. At least for the supporters of isis and other groups, they dont see a distinction between american citizens and the American Government. I dont buy that. The American Government is elected. They dont follow american history. What did we do against isis except allow them to exist by breaking up the Iraqi Government under george w. Bush . We created their opportunity. How are we their enemy . What did we do to them, isis . Well, again, you have to put in the context of broader stuff in the middle east and where the u. S. Stands on supporting so many of the regional governments there. We helped knock off gadhafi, we took a pretty strong stand against syria and knocked off saddam hussein. Knocked off all the secular leaders. Why arent the islamists happy with us . Factually, we did their work for them. We pulled the rug out from under all these people who were secularist so these islamists could grab those countries . Whats the knot with us . You are looking at it from a short perspective. Isis grievances dont just start with the formation of the group. They go back decades. The u. S. Has supported governments that have not been democratic. Keep in mind things like what theyre seeing in u. S. The u. S. Supporting and turning a blind eye to the crackdown there against the Muslim Brotherhood has only let groups like isis say the u. S. Does not want democracy in the middle east. These are extreme draconian, very brutal in their tactics. You are talking about two different things. Their tactics and methods and the groundswell of resistance that exists. And thats really theres two things at play. What can the u. S. Do to stop isis as a group . What can the u. S. Do to try to dry up that ideology from the region. Thats a twopronged approach that the United States and local populations, local governments have to deal with. This is not a u. S. Problem alone. The majority of people that isis are killing are muslims. This is something the governments have to stand up and address. Many of them are deferring to the United States. Ive never heard it said better. Very well said. Chuck, the president , almost a blood speech this week he gave about james foley. And i thought it, too. Then he goes off and plays golf 32 minutes later. Whats the real obama here . Is he really angry enough to have a gut reaction to this, not fighting to reclaim iraq or put it back together but to go after isis . Is he really going to go after them . They are going after isis. I think you see, you know, this is a deliberate way the president makes these decisions. You have aides saying it first. Martin dempsey, ben rhodes. They know the pattern theyre going to take. He doesnt do it quickly. He always does it a little takes a little long irer than some people would like to see. Hes going to end up doing something. Part of the issue in syria is not just figuring out targets but legal justification because there is a legal qu