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A man on death row for ten years finally set free, now in a big interview he opens up to msnbcs craig melvin. There are friends of yours that over that time period, you became friends and next thing you know they have been executed. That hurts. Good day. Im Andrea Mitchell in washington. With friends like these, who needs enemies . When donald trump isnt killing ted cruz with kindness, hes trying to sink the texas senators chances in iowa by keeping stories critical of cruz alive and putting doubt into the minds of cruzs conservative supporters. Joining me ahead of tonights big Republican Debate, nbcs Hallie Jackson and katy tur both in north charleston, South Carolina. Hallie, first to you. Lets talk about the problem that ted cruz has over this Goldman Sachs loan and how it conflicts with his own narrative of who he is and what hes trying to communicate to conservative iowa voters. Reporter right. This idea that hes this populist tea party crusader, this warrior, who rails against the big banks yet is taking loans from Goldman Sachs, citibank, loans he did disclose on his personal Financial Disclosures but not filed with the s. E. C. Something as you played ted cruz calls an inadvertent mistake, the campaign saying it is checking to see how to rectify this. The bottom line, this is something that yet again is knocking ted cruz off his message. Do you think he wants to be talking about this . No. Do you think he wants to be talking about the birther issue and other attacks from donald trump . No. He wants to be hitting his own message of constitutional conserco conservativism and instead hes trying to push back against this story that contradicts frankly or potentially could for voters his narrative. Of course, when we talk about donald trump and how he goes after people, nobody knows this better than you, katy, how has trump played this and tried to put cruz off his game given how closely tied they are in this polling in iowa . Reporter well, he doesnt stop talking about it. Thats his plan all along, to distract, distract, distract, keep the focus off donald trump and on to ted cruz, making voters question everything about him, question whether hes i believable to run for president , question whether or not the canadian birth is a real problem, question this loan and what it means to his back story. If he keeps raising these issues, he keeps trying to sow the seed of doubt within voters mind, paint him as somebody who is not necessarily a sure bet to win the general election if he faces Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders, that he is the one that will be a sure bet. He doesnt have these problems, doesnt have these issues. He will be the one that will be able to come out the victor. Ted cruz, who knows. He might not be able to even be eligible for president. This is the way trump responded to ted cruzs attacks that trump had quote, new york values. Does that seem like criticism to you . Do you embrace new york values . I embrace. Look, in new york we took a big hit with the world trade center. Worst thing ever. Worst attack ever in the United States. Worse than pearl harbor because they attacked civilians, they attacked people having breakfast and frankly, you know, if you would have been there and if you would have lived through that like i did with new york people, the way they handled that attack was one of the most incredible things that anybody has ever seen. When people want to knock new york, first of all, you shouldnt be doing it because you have a massive population there, but when you want to knock new york, you got to go through me. Really interesting to see this matchup. To both of you, hallie first, what do you expect tonight when they are standing side by side on the debate stage . Reporter yeah. Listen, i think that over the last week, we have been talking about the fact that this political bromance between the two has been crumbling. That said, i do think if the opportunity presents itself you will see ted cruz go after donald trump and reup this line of attack he has been testing out this week, this idea that donald trump has these new york values as you heard him respond there, this idea that donald trump is tied to Hillary Clinton supporters. That said, if trump stays back and doesnt come at cruz and if theres not an opportunity or moment that presents itself, i dont know that ted cruz will necessarily turn the barrels on donald trump unprompted. Katy, what are the chances trump wont go after him . Reporter well, trump has always said hes a counterpuncher, hes not going to be the one that attacks first. So we are going to see if he decides to do Something Different tonight and go after him. Of course, they are neck and neck in the polls in iowa and they do need to break away from each other, but theres an inherent risk involved that donald trump goes after ted cruz too hard, he might alienate some voters who are crossover voters between trump and ted cruz. Thanks to both much yoof you. We will be watching. Joining me for our daily fix, Washington Post editorial columnist ruth marcus, wall street journal Political Editor jean cummings. How big a problem is it for ted cruz to be acknowledging a Goldman Sachs loan, goldman and others saying it wasnt at a favorable rate but it was not disclosed in a timely way when it was supposed to be to the federal Election Commission and so he had to do an amendment on that, and it does undercut his whole narrative, i mortgaged everything in order to run for the senate, i put everything on the line. On the line with the backing of Goldman Sachs. We both used to cover money and politics and reality is, this is a transgression. Its a technical transgression. Its not fatal but its not the greatest time in the world for ted cruz to be talking about this and any time you are saying ted cruz and Goldman Sachs in the same sentence, its not the kind of campaign that he wants to be running right now. How many iowa voters, caucus goers, would have even known that his wife works for goldman . Absolutely. That, he doesnt want the association with the big bank being highlighted this close to the caucus time, and also, i think the other piece of this where it undercuts his narrative in terms of, you know, he was so committed to his candidacy and the causes of the tea party and the grassroots that he attracts that he was willing to risk his familys financial ruin in order to get to the senate to fight for what they believe in, and that isnt exactly correct, that really hurts, too. In fact, its not correct at all. Thats not who he is. Lets talk about the democrats. New Des Moines Register poll, bloomberg poll, showing neck and neck in iowa and its not so much that Hillary Clinton is or that Bernie Sanders is gaining. Its that Hillary Clinton is losing among the undecideds. More people are not sure. So her support is softer than people might have imagined. Her support is softer and its not going in the direction that they want, and the response from the Clinton Campaign of course will be that they always expected the race to tighten but the fact is, this is at least to me right now, a little bit of a mystery which is what exactly is going on, what is making these voters who were once inclined in her direction have second thoughts. I dont have a view on that yet. Shes been hammering him for days on the unspecific numbers, the lack of any kind of numbers in his health care, Single Payer Health care plan. I want to get to the details of that in a moment but hes now counterattacked trying to change the subject clearly with the toughest ad and arguably the first really negative ad of the campaign, something he said he wouldnt do. This on wall street reform today. There are two democratic visions for regulating wall street. One says its okay to take millions from big banks, then tell them what to do. My plan, break up the big banks, close the tax loopholes and make them pay their fair share. Then we can expand health care to all and provide universal college education. Will they like me . No. Will they begin to play by the rules if im president . You Better Believe it. Jeanne, thats a very effective ad for Bernie Sanders and it doesnt mention obviously her counterpoint which would be that her wall street plan, her wall street reform plan has gotten a lot of praise for going after the shadow banks that many say were really involved in the crash. That said, hes got credibility on this issue. He does. Because hes been running on it forever. Its how he launched his campaign. Hes very credible on the issue and what is also effective, i think, about that ad is that its not an attack ad. He is promotting his plan. He is promoting his candidacy. By reference, does it speak that im better than her . Sure. But its not an attack ad in the traditional sense. And he doesnt name her and i think that makes that ad a lot more effective. He doesnt need to name her because Everybody Knows who exactly he is talking about. Briefly, this is so complicated, but on health care, on the numbers, the lack of numbers and what the Clinton Campaign is saying about his single payer proposal. Sure. Theres two issues here. The Clinton Campaigns argument is this is his biggest proposal by far. He needs to explain to us exactly how hes going to pay for it and specifically whether thats going to mean that middle income taxpayers see their rates rise. The Sanders Campaign has indicated that theyre not going to be forthcoming with those details. I think thats a perfectly legitimate question for her to ask. At the same time, if you look at some of the evidence and studies on single payer, they do argue that for the most part, middle income taxpayers will not be hurt once you take away, sorry to wonk out here, once you take away their need to pay for premiums, that will make up for some of the increase in taxes they might have. So a really interesting substantive debate but you cant have it without the numbers to back it up. Bottom line, he says without knowing exactly what his plan would be, you cant be specific. Other experts have said it could cost as much as 15 trillion to 18 trillion over ten years. Its relevant that the Bernie Sanders campaign in the summer said we are going to come out with the numbers and didnt. Then they said they would have them before the iowa caucuses. Now they say they wont. Thats another reason that its a soft target for Hillary Clinton because hes not delivering in a way that he had already promised he would. We have to leave it there. We have a lot more to talk about because we can now announce the official candidate lineup for the nbc news democratic primary debate this sunday in South Carolina. On the stage, sunday night, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders and Martin Omalley have all qualified for the debate based on the latest polling with omalley barely making that cut. But he will be there. Tune in to nbc news for special debate coverage 9 00 eastern on sunday. Moderated by lester holt. Im honored to be able to announce that i will be joining lester at the table in this final democratic debate before the iowa caucus. Please join us then. Up next, the senator sits out. We will talk to rand paul about why he is boycotting the Republican Debate tonight. Everyones lookin red carpet ready. My man, lemme guess who youre wearing. Toenail fungus . Whaaat . . 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The new Bernie Sanders ad that we just showed is his toughest campaign ad yet, taking aim at Hillary Clinton as a new Des Moines Register bloomberg poll shows him closing in on clinton in iowa. Im joined by the secretary of agriculture, tom vilsack, the former governor of iowa and a strong clinton supporter. Mr. Secretary, welcome. Good to be with you. Lets talk about iowa, because why is bernie doing so well, why are people not flocking to him, but as we see in these poll numbers, that people are becoming less certain about their support for Hillary Clinton . The reality is we always anticipated this is going to be a close race and its been a great campaign, substantive campaign, certainly contrasts nicely with whats going on on the other side. Hillary is doing all the right things and at the end of the day, i think the key here is organization. Theres no question who has the Stronger Organization to deliver the people the caucus. The poll is instructive because it indicates that bernie is basically topped out. He hasnt moved at all since march. So its not about bernies support. I think its about making sure that we continue to reach out to hillarys supporters, reassure them that her plans are the best and in fact, that shes tough enough to win. Whats not or whats missing in this campaign is the fact in order to govern, in order to do anything, you have to win. You have to be tough enough to win. She has been vetted. Bernie has not been. In our own poll this week, he had better numbers against any of the republicans than she did. He is more electable in a general election, according to what people think now. Andrea, there has not been a negative ad directed at Bernie Sanders yet. Hillary clinton has withstood pressure over the course of her incredible career. I can guarantee you that there will be plenty of negative advertising that will redefine Bernie Sanders. At this point in time, im proud of the election and the race these folks are running because its substantive. Hillary has better plans, i think shes indicated where the moneys going to come from to pay for her plans. That is something Bernie Sanders has not done. I think its a fatal mistake on his part not laying out precisely how hes going to pay for college, how hes going to pay for a hlt caealth care for. And until he does that people in iowa will be skeptical of those plans. Why should people in iowa, corn growers, as the agriculture secretary, get this special ethanol mandate now that oil prices are below 30 a barrel . Its much different. There are a multitude of reasons. Cleaner air is the result producing ethanol is very environmentally costly according to members of the house and senate who tried to take it away. We have recently done studies about this. I think basically the folks are working on old information. Its much more effic