That a businessman would have knowledge is limited in any when he is about to sign a transaction. But if you go after his integrity, right, if you go check. And by that he clearly meant after his public service, if you go after his military record, that President Trump was youre done. Thinking about or had in front but chuck, isnt there a high stakes problem with that, for of him the possibility of providing Security Assistance to trump and the republicans to say, because then the next question is, okay, who does know ukraine. It was similar to writing a check to someone who youre what trump said . Bolton and trump. About to send. He used that analogy very and they dont want those folks to come before congress. I absolutely agree. Im saying if there is a path to clearly to indicate that this try and point out that he has limited knowledge, thats the would be this would require path and its a narrow one. Something. If that person owed him does it ultimately work . No, it doesnt. Right. Because there are other something, before he signed the check, he wanted to get whatever percipient witnesses. Thats what you do in a he was owed paid back to him. Criminal defense, and its not going to work here. Ambassador volker used very its only going to thats a similar language about a week tenminute exam. Later, which indicates to me two. Exactly. That they had that conversation if its done right. As well. If its done right. Did ukraine owe anything to so what theyre going to do, what youre going to see, is the United States . Mr. Goldman, they didnt. Kind of presaged by what they owed appreciation for the
congressman nunes said in his support, and they appreciated opening statement. That. Let me read for our viewers but there was not there was what stopped all of you in your nothing owed to President Trump tracks and bring ambassador on that. Mcfaul in on this because he was but you understood the upshot tweeting about the many layers of this comment made by both of problems on this bombshell ambassador sondland and weve been talking about. Let me just underscore this. Ambassador volker to be that this is what Ambassador TaylorPresident Trump believed that said. This is what all of our legal ukraine owed him something eagles are talking about as sort personally, is that accurate . Of the new bombshell. Hard to understand, but there actually we have it, lets listen to it. Was a feeling by President Trump last friday, a member of my staff told me of events that occurred on july 26th. That he and this came out in while ambassador volker and i the transcript im sorry, visited the front, this member this came out in the discussion of my staff accompanied ambassador sondland. With the inaugural delegation ambassador sondland met with mr. When they came back to have a yermak. Conversation with president following that meeting, in the trump on may 23rd, that he had a presence of my staff, at a restaurant, ambassador sondland called President Trump and told feeling of having been wronged him of his meetings in kiev. By the ukrainians. The member of my staff could hear President Trump on the phone asking ambassador sondland and so this was something that about the investigations. He thought they owed him, to fix ambassador sondland told that wrong. President trump the ukrainians right. Were ready to move forward. But what he was talking about, following the call with President Trump, the member of as you understood it, in the my staff asked ambassador context of the conversation, sondland what President Trump thought about ukraine. They owed him these investigations that he wanted. That would have been to fix ambassador sondland responded that President Trump cares more the wrong, exactly. And those investigations into about the investigations of the 2016 election and biden and Biden Which Giuliani was burisma. Thats correct. Now, during this early period pressing for. At the time i gave my deposition on october 22nd, i was not aware in september, weve talked a little bit about the fact that you continually heard that the of this information. Im including it here for president was repeatedly saying completeness. As the committee knows, i that there was no quid pro quo, reported this information is that right . Through counsel to the state thats correct. And he still says that departments Legal Adviser as repeatedly today, but regardless well as to counsel for both the of what you call it, whether majority and the minority of this committee. Its a quid pro quo, bribery, it is my understanding that the committee is following up on this matter. Extortion, abuse of power of the office of the presidency, the and ambassador mcfaul, as we listened to that, it was noticed fact of the matter, as you understood it, is that security that there are two more depositions with brandnew witnesses that will be heard from on friday. Assistance and the white house your thoughts on the impact of meeting were not going to be provided unless ukraine initiated these two that. Well, i want to say two investigations that would things about it. Benefit Donald Trumps first, the substance is a reelection, is that what you understood the facts to be . Bombshell. And if ambassador sondland wants mr. Goldman, what i can do to come and testify to say its here for you today is tell you not true, we can do that, but it stands as fact now, as what i heard from people. Ambassador taylor said it. But i want to underscore how in this case it was what i heard from ambassador sondland. Completely extraordinary it is for any ambassador to call the he described conditions for the president of the United States, to do so on an open cellphone Security Assistance and the line is another thing, lets put white house meeting in those terms, that is, they were that aside for now, but this whole you know, this alibi dependent on, conditioned on, that President Trump barely pursuing these investigations. And you heard that from knows who this guy is, i dont ambassador sondland himself, know who he is, and yet he is correct . Correct. And you also heard a similar calling him from kiev to report story from mr. Morrison as well, on what President Trump is that right . Obviously wants to know about who also talked to ambassador his quid pro quo. I think that really undermines sondland about the conversations his argument that there is no that he had had in warsaw with ukrainians. Direct connectivity with the and what mr. Morrison president. And the second one, if i can get recounted to you was it in, tim morrison, the other substantially similar to what mr. Sondland recounted to you, right . Yes. Part of this i just want to and so regardless of what underscore, hes the senior ukrainians may say now, now that director of russia, europe, ukrai everything is out in the public ukraine. And were here in this public he is the president s most Senior Adviser at the white house. I had a job like that working hearing, that they felt no for obama with respect to russia. And when i spoke to any u. S. Pressure from President Trump, it was your clear understanding, was it not, that in early Government Official, everybody knew that i was speaking on september, when the Pressure Campaign was still secret, that behalf of the president. I was the person that knew his the ukrainians believed that thoughts and views on russia. They needed to announce these and in this case, on ukraine. So this notion that its all public investigations, is that right . Hearsay and phone talk, no. Mr. Goldman, i know that the you have two people very close to the president , ambassador ukrainians were very concerned sondland calling him on his cellphone from a kiev restaurant, which ive never about the Security Assistance. Heard of before, and tim and i know that they were morrison corroborating the prepared or preparing to make a evidence that the witness, the things that Ambassador Taylor public statement, that is, with testified today. Ambassador mcfaul, i a cnn interview, that that was being planned. Those are the two pieces that i constantly come back to Donald Trumps use of the word human know. And that cnn interview was to carnage in his inaugural address announce these investigations, when i think of what happens to as you understood it, right . People who go to work for him, and Gordon Sondland is no that was the implication. That was certainly the exception. What do you make in light of implication. Weve been focused a lot on todays bombshell of the the september time frame. Fourpage amendment to his
but i want to go back two months testimony that he gave last to july, before the july 25th week . Hes in trouble, hes boxed in call. And you testified, ambassador by more than a dozen witnesses who have testified to a clear taylor, in your opening quid pro quo going all the way statement, that it was in the to donald trump around the meeting and the aid. Middle of july when you understood that the white house thats definitely my reading meeting was first a condition on of it. And by the way, i would add to that list ambassador volker. These investigations; is that we havent talked much about correct . Him, but hes part of the three yes. We were preparing and i agreed that the white house amigos. Its part of all of this. Meeting was going to be an i hope when both of them come before this committee they important step in u. S. ukrainian realize the magnitude and the relations. Moment and they do the right so in june and in early july, thing by just telling the truth, because i dont think it serves their interests to say i dont attempts to work out a way to recall, im not aware, no quid get that meeting included a phone call. Pro quo here. And so there were several this testimony today from conversations about how to have this phone call that eventually Ambassador Taylor especially was extraordinary. And by the way, i told you he was going to have a great voice happened on eventual 25tjuly 25. For television, and he does. And you described a white house meeting with a number of i just hope both of those officials where ambassador individuals listen to this bolton used the term that closely and do the right thing something was a drug deal. What did you understand him to and just tell the truth and come mean in hearing that he said clean. And a huge tip of the hat, hes been roundly described on used this term, drug deal . Twitter as having a front line quality voice. Mr. Goldman, i dont know. So heres to you, pbs, for seth i dont know what ambassador bolton had in mind. Was that in reference to a the standard. George conway, i think mike discussion in that meeting related to the white house mcfaul makes a great point. Meeting that president zelensky you can be a career ambassador, a Career Member of the foreign wanted and in connection to the investigations . The context of that comment service, and never have a phone call with the president of the United States. Thats absolutely right. Was the discussion that mr. And sondland is the one who apparently called trump. Was it in the middle of the night, to figure out what to say to respond to taylor, when doniluk, the ukrainian taylor said, what do we got here, a quid pro quo . Counterpart, had with mr. Bolton. I mean, you dont just wake up that conversation was productive the president in the middle of the night. And apparently the president , according to sondland, wasnt in to the point were the white a very good mood. House meeting was raised and so hes calling the president of ambassador sondland intervened the United States on a cellphone on the middle of the night and to talk about the now trump is saying, i dont investigations. Know him . Its a joke. Senator mccaskill, ambassador bolton ceased the meeting, closed the meeting, traditionally u. S. President s
finished the meeting, and told are awakened in the middle of the night to find out about u. S. His staff to report this meeting air strikes overseas or, god to the lawyers. Forbid, Hostage Takings and things like that. The Security Breaches here. And he also later then indicated whats happening to us is beyond to fiona hill, who was also a bizarre, because this stuff is so big and so impactful that all the other stuff falls off the participant on the nec staff, table. But when you think about the that he, ambassador bolton, point this man made when he was running for president about didnt want to be associated with this drug deal. Hillary clinton supposedly playing Fast And Loose with the so the implication was, it was the domestic politics that was security. Hes taking personal calls on being cooked up. And did ambassador sondland cellphones in the middle of the say this in front of the night from somebody who is located in an area where russia ukrainian officials, to your listens to everything. Understanding . Ambassador sondland, in the so it is so bizarre to me that meeting where ambassador bolton was having the conversation with this is something that we just his counterpart, raised the lay aside and go, this isnt that big a deal, whereas his issue of investigations being entire campaign was focused on important to come before the lax security at the state department. And this guy is rolling over in white house meeting that had bed and taking a personal call
just been raised. On his cellphone from a guy in and ukrainians official were there . And ukrainian officials were kiev or keev i guess it is. In that meeting, yes, sir. Around this same time frame, in july, did you have any discussions with ukrainian were saying it wrong. Official about these investigations . To the point about National Security, because this is about what donald trump knew and when i dont recall. He knew it and whether or not well, let me show you a text its an impeachable and message that you wrote on july something hell be convicted for in the senate, we may 21st, where you wrote it, again, underreport the significance of the National Security frame. To ambassador sondland and and what i would imagine the volker. National security hard wiring of if you could just read what you both these men. Wrote here on july 21st. They are in government to gordon, one thing kurt and i protect and boost young talked about yesterday was sasha democracies on russias border. I mean, they are sort of the danyliuks point that president best of what the American Government produces. Zelensky is serious about let me follow up on that, ukraine being taken seriously, because i think this is something that is heartbreaking. Not merely as an instrument in the idea that this president washington Domestic Reelection things an Inspector General needs to be a loyalist and members of the National Security council need to be loyalists . Politics. What did you understand it to that really undermines the mean, that zelensky had concerns
entire premise of this about being an instrument in democracy, that there are washington Domestic Reelection certain jobs that you are in fact all about protecting the politics . Mr. Danyliuk understood that country and not the individual who is just passing through in the oval office. These investigations were and thats what this guy has pursuant to mr. Giulianis done that is permanently damaging to the fabric of this request to develop information, country. You think about, this is the to find information about burisma and the bidens. This was very wellknown in part of it that makes me so distraught about the republican public. Mr. Giuliani had made this point party. Jim mattis resignation letter, clear in several instances in george kents closed door the beginning, in the deposition about putin and the springtime. And mr. Danyliuk was aware that leader of hinge ungary that got between transactions with the ukraine. That was a problem. Why cant we look voters in the and would you agree that eye as republicans and say, the because president zelensky is worried about this, they president is doing everything understood at least there was some pressure for them to pursue Vladimir Putin wants and nothing these investigations; is that that American Foreign policy dictates. Its astonishing, because fair . Mr. Danyliuk indicated that when you read these words and listen to these words, these men president zelensky certainly are talking about duty and honor
understood it, that he did not and country and freedom. Want to get involved in these those words mean nothing to type of activities. Now, im going to move ahead donald trump. Because all donald trump cares about, again, is himself. Now to july 25th, which is when and we heard it even from his President Trump and president zelensky had the phone call. But before we get to the phone henchman sondland, sondland call, i want to show both of you talking about he doesnt care a text message, neither of much about ukraine, he cares which neither of you is on about those investigations and getting that statement from this text message. It is between ambassador volker ukraine about biden. And Andriy Yermak, a top aide to and this should appall all president zelensky. Americans and should appall i will read it, because neither of you is on it. Especially republicans, the party of ronald reagan, the ambassador volker says, good party of abraham lincoln. Lunch thanks. Heard from white house. Its absolutely bizarre that people cant stand up and just assuming