Go in and relook at the pressures in the building. Javits space is sectional, there are areas we can actually change the pressure in some. We just heard from new york governor andrew cuomo, who has now requested the change because he said there were not enough noncovid patients from the popup field hospitals. The governor announcing today new york has had more than 100,000 positive cases of covid19 and more than 2,900 deaths from the virus. The Governor Also Announced hes signing an executive order today allowing states to take ventilators and ppes from institutions around the state who do not need them immediately in order to get them to the front lines. Todays jobs report for march showing 700,000 jobs were lost last month when the virus was just beginning have spread, increasing the jobless rate to 4 had the 4 , numbers that will skyrocket a month from now reflecting the growing impact, of course. Nbcs ron allen is with us now outside sinai hospital. I know youre following the guidelines from mayor de blasio, wearing a face covering, mask, anything homemade, not the surgical masks, very short supplied n95s. But tell us about that advisory and impact on mt. Sinai, what youre seeing today. Well, what weve seen here, andrea, is a gathering of nurses and medical professionals from doctors physicians as well who are still complaining about the lack of protective equipment here and across the city. They say that every day at work is like a suicide mission, to use one persons words. Theyre very angry. Theyre very frustrated. They think that its just very, very difficult to do their jobs and its going to get worse. Theyre worried about their colleagues. Theyre worried about their own health. Many of these are Health Care Workers who are not staying with their families because theyre so concerned about carrying the virus home. Heres a sampling of what one of the organizers of the protests said about conditions theyre working under. We dont want to be your body bags. I dont want to be your body bags. I want to take this seriously. We need to provide safe, quality care for our patients. As of this morning they said we have six days left before we run out of ventilators. Six days of people, if we dont get what we need, will die. And that is something that will be on their conscience, not mine. Im here, and i will keep coming back here because that is what i do. Im a nurse. And i dont have the luxury to stay home. We have a statement from mt. Sinai a few minutes ago saying in part that we understand the fear and concerns and will continue to do Everything Possible to protect our heroes on the frontline. We will not stop until this crisis is over. This hospital, like many others, are trying to find other sources beyond the city and state government. As youve heard, they too find it unbelievable, as the governor said during his briefing, that a lot of this material cant be produced somewhere in the United States. And as we know, of course, andrea, its only going to get worse because demand is only going to get higher and as the number of cases is expected to surge some time next week, in the coming days actually. One last thing, the Health Care Workers we spoke with this morning are very concerned, very concerned about retaliation. Theyre very concerned about coming forward, speaking out and being losing their jobs or facing some kind of punishment. But theyre coming forward anyway because they feel this is a matter of life and death, not just their patients but their own. It is really that serious and it was a very, very intense protest, intense discussion, intense press conference about what these Health Care Workers feel theyre going through and really just dont want to have to go through but are committed to save lives and deal with. Andrea . Ron allen, a desperate situation indeed at mt. Sinai in manhattan. Thank you so much. Michael osterholm is the director for the center of Infectious Disease and research and policy at the university of minnesota and joins me now. Thank you so much for being with us. Thank you. Lets talk about, first of all, the masks. Theres a lot of confusing, even the new York State Health director sitting next to the governor was contradicting was mayor de blasio advised last night about the effectiveness. The point here is that it can protect the next person, not so much yourself, but its more to protect people around you if you are within that six feet from getting possibly infected from you if youre wearing a mask outside. First of all, all of us want to do whatever we can. So everyone whos making these recommendations are doing them in the spirit of lets do something. But we just have to take a step back and make sure were not doing something that is actually less protective. That may seem counterintuitive. But lets be clear, whats being recommended is to use a mask of some kind so when youre out in the public and youre not sick you shouldnt be in the public if youre sick at all, but if you are not sick the breathing in the first one, two days where youre not sick will be exposing other people. Theres a real fallacy in that the cloth masks youre talking about, the do your own, actually doesnt stop any of the small particles for coming out. Its going to come out just the shame. Look at china, if that was really so successful in china where everybody in december in the Hubei Province was wearing a mask, we shouldnt have had a problem. We had a problem. So when you hear if you do this, it will stop transmission and we will start to eat up the very masks were trying to save for Health Care Workers. Youve heard it loud and clear from ron allen. His report is right on the mark. Im the father of a daughter on the frontline. I hear this every day. I would do anything to protect them. If we find we are losing masks for the public, not an effective way to slow down transmission, then we have a real problem. Thats what i hope we can take time to think about, before we actually do something that hurts us, not helps us. Were expecting an advisory possibly from the white house, from the White House Task force sometimes in the next couple of days. I think your cautions, your caveats reflect some of the disagreements that we understand is taking place within that circle as well. Thats why we havent heard from them yet. Dr. Fauci, by the way, was on with Anderson Cooper on cnn last night at a town hall meeting, and he reflected clear impatience with a lack of national advisory. We know governors are in charge, but the lack of any strong statement from the white house about staying indoors. Lets watch. Does it make sense to you that some states are still not issuing stayathome orders . Whether there should be a federally mandated directive for that or not, i guess thats more of a political question, but just scientifically, doesnt everybody have to be on the same page with this stuff . Yeah, i think so, anderson. I dont understand why thats not happening. As you said, the tension between federally mandated between states rights to do what they want, is something i dont want to get into. But if you look at whats going on in this country, i just dont understand why were not doing that. We really should be. And its clear that the president has been very reluctant to criticize ron desantis, an ally in the president s new home state of florida. What brian kemp did in georgia. What we saw in oklahoma and other states, all red states around the country that are not telling people to stay indoors or reluctant to relate to it. I think, first of all, let me just make it clear, this is not a red or blue state virus. Initially it looked more blue because its hit major metropolitan areas that have more introduction to the virus sooner and thats had a chance to spread more. This will become a covid color virus in terms of states, counties and cities. I think thats the important message. As the Old Commercial used to say, you can pay me now or pay me later. We will pay. We need a National Plan now that puts this out as a national priority. And as of right now, i think most of the governors have been some of the biggest Public Health heroes we could have. He we need a National Plan were missing right now that says how are we going to deal with this right now but four months from now, six months from now, 12 months from now . And we dont have that. That would help immensely. Theres also a report in the Washington Post today just questioning or saying there are questions about the modeling that dr. Deborah birx used a couple of days ago, the horrendous numbers going up to 240,000 deaths and saying that was a bestcase scenario, 100,000 to 240,000 deaths. The question people Columbia University epidemiologists are quoted saying we dont have a sense of whats going on in the here and now. And we dont know what people will do in the future. We dont know if the virus is seasonal as well. Dr. Fauci acknowledged we dont know a lot about this virus. How do we model . First of all, this is acting very similar to what we would with a very severe influenza pandemic, like 1918. Let me remind people in 1918 that ended not until 1920. It literally had to transmit almost two years until enough people became infected, 70 , 80, and then that is what slowed it down. Were in the same boat here. Thats not going to change. The model the Administration Just used is absolutely impractical. I dont know why they used it as it did. It inferred a wuhanlike shutdown the next four months. Thats all it addressed is the next four months. You can take whatever model you want, i always said as somebody who does Public Health for a living, all models are wrong, some can give you helpful information. But lets cut to the chase, forget the black box stuff, think about these numbers, 320 million americans, if half of them get infected, which is very reasonable, thats 160 million. Of that 80 will have mild or moderate illness, not even seek health care. 20 will seek a physician. Of those 10 need to be hospitalized. Of the 10 , half will need intensive Care Medicine and about 1 will die. Everything we have supports that. 1 of 160 million is 1. 6 million people. So where you get 200,000, i dont know. I think over the duration, the model you ought to be looking at is 1. 6 million people. If you dont like the numbers i just threw out, give me your own. Tell me why theyre different. These are the practical ones. So were not even thinking about this long term at 1. 6 million and we must. Thats what were going to have to deal with. Boy, that is tough, tough numbers. A reality check. Thank you very much. Thank you for being with us. Thank you very much, andrea. Thank you. Lets drill down on some tough economic numbers we saw this morning with chris lu, former deputy secretary of labor in the obama administration, now senior fellow at the university of Virginia Miller center, joining us. Chris, good to see you. That jobs report and its a backward look at 4. 4 unemployment in march when the virus was just beginning to spread. We and have the reached a peak yet, even the hot spot of new york city. So its going to be only a lot worse next week, perhaps yesterdays unemployment claims, numbers and the last two weeks of 10 million is a more accurate picture. Thats exactly right, andrea. We have to put this job support in context. This is a snapshot of what was happening the second week of march. So this was before many states imposed shelterathome requirements so we are expecting a bad number but i dont think we expected 700,000 jobs being lost. Thats a drastic number. The Unemployment Rate went up more than any time since 1975. And i think this is just the tiff of ttip of the iceberg in terms of bad economic numbers. 2 3 were in leisure and hospitality, what we would expect. Relatively few lost in retail, which i think sis the next wave that will hit. Eventually this will spread out to higher wage, white collar jobs. This is just the beginning of what is the very beginning of very bad economic news. Talk about the Mitch Mcconnells news on the Small Business program that just went into effect at midnight last night. We already hearing from Jpmorgan Chase that theyre not they didnt get the data they need from treasury in time to put it into effect until next midweek. Bank of america apparently is taking it online. But the backlogs are extraordinary. This is really bureaucracy grinding to a halt. You know, the Small BusinessLoan Grant Program is really kind of one of the key pillars in providing some level of financial stability. A week after this bill is passed, theyre setting up a program so understandably there are going to be bumps in the road. But its critical these applications get processed. The goal is you want Small Business to get these loans so theyre not furloughing employees, they can keep as many on payroll as possible. But its also important to understand, andrea, there are other critical parts. We need to make sure the stimulus checks get out of the mail, so that will be difficult as well. The Unemployment Insurance part of this is also critical. We heard all kinds of stories about people unable to apply online for unemployment benefits. And, you know, its a process thats run through 50state systems. Some of them are quite an that indicated. So getting all of this money out the door as fast as possible to provide stability to workers and Small Businesses is critical. And our colleague kasie hunt reported from ways and means yesterday they were expecting some of those checks are not going to go out, for those who did not get their refunds online from treasury excuse me, from the irs, theyre not going to get their checks for as long as five months from now and thats defeating the purpose of a quick stimulus to recharge the economy. What about Small Businesses who dont have employees, family run, oneman mom and pop shops, are they not included in this Payroll Protection Program . Look, theres a bunch of programs within this that they can apply for assistance. But i think you raised a broader point, andrea, which is were essentially turning off the economy for an extended period of time. When we try to flip this back on, i think a lot of companies because of the assistance that were providing will be able to restart up. A lot of these other mom and pop operations simply cant survive no matter what relief is provided to them because they operate on such narrow margins right now. And theyre just going to go out of business. Thats frightening to think about as well as all of the other workers who, as you said, might take months to get the stimulus checks. People who have been laid off in march already had to come up with money for their april rent payments. They may have to go through the whole month of april without money for their may payments and thats just not going to be sustainable for many people in this economy. Chris lu, thank you, again, for the reality check. Coming up the battle between the navy and one of its top commanders, topranking officer, captain of the uss roosevelt loses his command after he raises concerns about an outbreak of coronavirus on his ship. Tis. Because there are options. Like an unjection™. 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