Consistent on, it is dehumanizing immigrants. His rhetoric is getting worse, teetering on the brink of dangerous. Plus the growing movement in washington on the israel policy. And after helping to take away their right to choose, some texas judges may learn the hard way you shouldnt mess with texas women. Lets do it. Im ayman. In 2015, then candidate donald trump launched his bid for presidency at trump tower by speaking in dehumanizing terms about mexican immigrants. Nine years later, we saw trump this week campaigning for a second term in grand rapids michigan, flanked by Law Enforcement officers, he repeated his baseless claim that countries are sending quote prisoners, murders, drug dealers, mental patients and terrorists into the u. S. He said of migrants accused of crime, they are not humans, they are animals. In front of a crowd of cheering supporters, he painted a dystopian story of immigrants quote crawling through your windows and ransacking your drawers where they loot the jewelry. The Republican National committee isnt shying away from trumps comments. It is capitalizing off of them. The rnc launched a website called bidenbloodbath. Com that torches President Bidens border policy. They are making the dehumanization of immigrants a corner stone of his platform and he campaigned with some former Administration Officials who helped shape his horrific border policies. Time homan was a key guest at maralago called the border 911 gala. He is best known for being an early proponent of the Zero Tolerance policy resulting in at least 5500 families separated at the southern border in 2018. Homan was joined by matt whittaker. Former Chief Of Staff at the doj. The Family Separation Policy was so controversial for republicans and trump himself that the former president had to walk it back. Eventually signing an Executive Order ending the practice. But by that point, the damage had been done to thousands of migrant families. Last year, tom homan commented on that controversial policy after reflecting on the lifelong devastating con convinces. Im sick and tired of hearing about the Family Separation. Im still being sued over that. I dont give a [bleep]. Trump has been vague about whether he would reinstate the Zero Tolerance policy. But if he does win, remember, that he will have the voices of people like tom homan in his ear to push the same horrific agenda that tore apart thousands of migrant families without any regret. And it could even be much worse this time around. Lets bring in my panel joining me now are matthew dowd, chief strategist for the Bush Cheney2004 campaign. Amisha cross, democratic strategist and former Obama Campaign adviser and Maribel Hernandez rivera, director of government affairs. It is great to have all of you with us. Matthew, ill start with you. Trump doing what trump does, doubling down on this anti immigrant rhetoric. We all remember the outrage from 2015. In some ways though, the fact he keeps doing it has normalized it for his base and the shock factor of what he does seems to have worn off on Many Americans who support this guy. Yeah, well i think it is past normalization to his base. Actually they like it. And the more inflammatory ways he talks, the more they seemed to like it in the course of this. And first of all, a couple of things on this, it is not surprising that there is a politician like donald trump doing this. This has happened throughout our american history. It happened with my irish ancestors and the chinese and with jews. Its happened throughout our history that certain politicians inflame the population. Especially if they are in fear over something they point at somebody else, it doesnt look like them. And blame them. The height of this to me is he said this within days of easter. The highest holiday of the Christian Faith in this. He ought to spend some time reading his 60 bible he was trying to hawk. There is a constant thing about loving, welcoming, treating immigrants well. And donald trump seems to have forgotten that or never read that part of it. And the most hypocritical thing about this is the level of support that he gets from White Evangelical Christians in this while he simultaneously speaks against immigrants which is of course totally against what the bible preaches is such a hypocrisy. It points out the rot in the Christian Faith. Part of the Christian Faith today. And the rot in donald trump. Trump was recently asked on fox why he uses such dehumanizing terms and language when he talks about migrants. I want to play you that exchange. Watch. Why do you use words like vermin and poisoning of the blood . The press, as you know, immediately react to that by saying well, thats the kind of language hitler used. Thats what they say. I didnt know that. But thats what they say. Because our country is being poisoned. I didnt know that, but thats what they say. I didnt know thats what hitler said but now he does know. What do you make of his explanation there . It wasnt one at all. No apology. This is how he views immigrants which is ironic because the only immigrants it seems he does like are the the people that he married, in addition to a couple who actually worked on his campaign. Boris epstein and sebastian gorca. In boris epstein, someone who was also a refugee who goes out and says very similar thing to what we hear donald trump say on the campaign trail. When it comes to being anti immigrant for black and brown people, because he definitely puts a different ire of immigrants of color than immigrants from europe, we need to be very understanding of where he is coming from, not to make sense of it, but to seek also why people kind of rally around that. Because we are seeing from the immigrants, the migrants who have been sent from texas, from florida, to cities and towns across america, chicago being my hometown, but new york an other places where the strain on the system, whether we are talking about schools or health or any of these other areas of focus, those people though they may not be embedded in the same rhetoric of donald trump are very upset about what they have seen happen. I think he is playing on suppression. And anger of people in cities that cant control and dont have enough fund to support what is happening right now. But he is also preying on something matthew alluded to a little while ago. The evangelical base he loves for the votes, they have often been racist. They have pushed out immigrants and black people. Descendents of slaves who were never immigrants to begin with. The bible wont stop them. They were using the bible when they were burning crosses in communities of black people across this country. They are absolutely fine speaking matthew, mark, luke, and john until it cobs to a person of color. What is trump signaling by appearing with these Anti Immigrant Hawks who were both essential in shaping Family Separation . Thank you for having me, the first thing is we know that the trump campaign, their main tactic is using fear. Dividing us. Which is why they use dehumanizing language when speaking of immigrants. We are talking about human beings. We are talking about children, mothers, fathers, people who are contributeing to our society and our economy. But this is not just rhetoric. This has real life consequences so in his administration, we saw the real life consequences of his rhetoric. What did we see . Children ripped away from their parents and caged. People with a legal right to seek refuge not being able to protect themselves so what can we expect in a new Trump Administration . The same and even worse. He has already said it. He said he was going to do that and more. I want to make sure we are clear this has real life consequences and not only affects people who are immigrants but u. S. Citizens. And people voting in november. So we need to make our voices heard. Matthew, trump made it clear he will continue his harsh border agenda if he wins. He has been a little bit vague about the specific Zero Tolerance policy. Do you think he is just testing it out with his supporters, pivoting to a general election mindset or is he going to perhaps even up end that policy with something more extreme . More dangerous . Well, i think every single indication is that donald trump will be more cruel and hateful. I dont think he thought i did too much. And now im not going to do enough. He will make it worse. Donald trump will be far crueler and far more antiimmigrant than he was in his first four years and that is a dangerous thing, not only to those people, but also our economy as has been studied the last two years, our economy has grown as deeper and wider than any other european economy. And the main reason cited is immigrants into the country. Trump also said in michigan this week at a rally that he spoke to the family of ruby garcia, 25yearold woman who was allegedly murdered by an undocumented immigrant. Though according to garcias sister, trump never spoke to them and criticized him for politizing her sisters death. No surprise that donald trump would exploit this family, this grieving family for his own agenda. And lying about the fact he spoke to them. Yes. We see him lie again and again. Cruelty is in the a solution. Cruelty is not a policy that we should be pursues. What we should be pursuing are Real Solutions. What are those Real Solutions . Well, we can improve processing at the border. What else can we do . Support cities welcoming immigrants. What else can we do . We have dreamers waiting for a lawful pathway to citizenship. It is because of immigrants we didnt have a recession and the u. S. Economy is growing so we need to put aside the lies from trump and loot at the facts. We need to step away from cruelty. If trump is ramping up his antiimmigrant rhetoric, his team is reportedly plotting to change the governments interpretation of Civil Rights Era laws to focus on quote anti white racism rather than people of color. It is pretty obvious what is going on here and what he is trying to do. Again, political exploitation with the grievances of his base, the predominantly aggrieved white male. Absolutely. The devil works hard. But donald trump and his White Supremacist base work a lot harder. The Civil Rights Act and all the policies that came out of that are now subject to reversal and we are seeing it happen in states across the country. In Trump Appointed Judges who are upholding these rulings. We saw it with, we watched the downfall of Affirmative Action coming out of the Supreme Court. We watched redistricting happen across various places. We are watching the anticrt movement. And we are seeing donald trump ratchet up hate not only for the immigrant population, but the person of color population broadly. He is attacking directly, brown immigrants and he is attacking black people. And he is doing it in a very cohesive manner. It is very frustrating to watch because this is 2024. This is not my grandmothers era. This is not the era of the Civil Rights Movement or the era of reconstruction. However, donald trump and his base would like to take us back there because white males dont want to compete for jobs and why males dont want anyone to inch closer to leadership. They dont want anyone to inch closer to having a vote. They dont want women to have the right to choose. At this point, it is trying to take society back to a very scary place because they dont believe in democracy. Donald trump is an autocrat. And he is running on autocracy. He is running on that. And his base and quite frankly the Republican Party is doing absolutely nothing to stop him. Please stick around amisha, thank you maribel for your time. After this break, how wisconsin voters are taking a stand against the Israel Hamas War and President Biden. D presiden. I wanna hold you forever hey little bear bear. Im gonna love you forever cmon, bear. You dont. You dont have to worry. Be by your side. Ill be there. With my arms wrapped around. Remember when i said we need to screen for colon cancer . 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Joining me now to discuss this, it is great to have you with us. So listen to wisconsin. Your group more than doubled your goal of 20,000 unobstructed votes. What message do you think this sends to President Biden . Well i think it is a very clear warning sign. 48,162 votes as you mentioned is over double the amount that the Biden Administration won wisconsin by in 2020. And we have very clear demands for this Multiracial Multifaith Multigenerational Coalition that in two weeks managed to pull almost 50,000 people to the polls in the cold rain, sleet, and snow to say without an immediate and permanent and unconditional cease fire, and without serious steps toward peace, there may not be a pathway to the white house or pathway to victory in wisconsin. This is an issue they want to see Policy Change in right now. There is the perception that the people behind it as it started out in michigan were arab or muslim. You are talking about a multiracial coalition. Do you know who makes this coalition . For the past six months, there has been a coalition of over 60 organizations that have been part of the Wisconsin Coalition for justice in palestine. Members of that coalition represent every single faith background. Every Grass Roots Organization that represents minority groups. Especially in the past two weeks we got the endorsements of over 20 Advocacy Organizations that include some of the latina and black, young Voter Organizations in the state that have determined every single progressive election in the state. Particularly within the president ial election in 2020. These are the votes that secured the election. This is not a state where we have arab or Muslim Population only. This coalition has said this is the moral thing to do. And this is an issue which we heard the majority of americans calling for a permanent and immediate cease fire but we dont see the Biden Administration responsive at all and that kind of discontent is echoing in every part of the state. Wisconsin is obviously a key Battleground State as you just suggested. New polling from the Wall Street Journal Shows Biden and trump tied in a head to head matchup. This movement that may force people to sit out. And by extension his loss, the demise of american democracy with the reelection of donald trump. Yeah. We would say that the Biden Administration ignoring the call for immediate cease fire. Voters demand an end to the war in gaza. In order to impose that cease fire. This is the white house putting the netanyahu far right administration ahead of americans, american interest, and our democracy when a majority of voters are saying enough is enough. This is not what it looks like to secure freedom, dignity and justice for everybody. That is what people said april 2 when they voted. I would also say in wisconsin, it is head to head every time. That because the coalition of voters that need to be brought to the table, the multiracial multiethnic, multigenerational coalitions that secure the vote in wisconsin. Less than 1 of the vote determines a win in wisconsin. We dont need delegates. We just need 20,000 people to show up. So the ball is squarely in the Biden Administrations court to respond to voters to listen to voters who made their voices heard for Policy Change and made it clear that their mission is not about political figures. They are democrats within his party. His constituents calling on him to make a change. Can i ask you about that specifically . How does the president earn your vote between now and november . You are calling for a cease fire and a change of policy. To earn that after everything that has happened the last six months in gaza. What would the president have to do, have to say for you to feel that there is a genuine change that earns your v