Libraries dating back to herbert hoover. All of which, on thursday, released a joint statement calling for a recommitment to the countrys bedrock principles, including the rule of law and respecting a diversity of beliefs. Cant save us enough. This is an unprecedented move from the group. Never before had the president ial libraries engaged so directly in political affairs. While the joint message stopped short of calling out individuals by name, the subject of the warning was clear. The declaration read, in part, americans have a strong interest in supporting democratic movements and respect for human rights around the world, because free societies elsewhere contribute to our own security and prosperity here at home. But that interest is undermined when others see our own house in disarray. Our elected officials must lead by example and govern effectively in ways that deliver for the american people. This, in turn, will help to restore trust in public service. Maybe your thinking this sounds a bit melodramatic, because things may not look like theyre falling apart. But students of history will recall that one authoritarian method is to slowly to begin to chip away at democratic norms. It doesnt happen overnight. Its not going to overhaul the system in one felt swoop, but if you keep chipping away at it, it will finally end ultimately a row. Tom nichols writes in the atlantic, the collapse of democracy in the United States will look more like an unspooling or an unwinding, rather than some dramatic installation, you know, of gilead or oceana. My guess is that it will be a federal breakdown that returns to the late 1950s in all of the worst ways. Nichols admits he is guessing, but if informed, it might be an actually educated guess. Last month, a group of rightwing organizations and former officials published on Pickle Project 2025. Its essentially a roadmap for a reshaping of federal government, should the disgraced ex president returned to the white house. They want to got the socalled Administrative State from within by ousting federal employees that they believe are standing in the way of trumps agenda, and replacing them with likeminded officials, more eager to fulfill their approach to governing. They believe, on day one, they will be able to commandeer, reshape, and do away with the quote, deep state bureaucracy, in part by firing as many as 50,000 federal workers. They have plans for the military as well. Former acting secretary of defense, christopher miller, contributed to this plan, and he wants trump to immediately ban quote, Marxist Indoctrination and critical race series programs, and reinstate personnel dismissed for disobeying vaccine orders. As nichols and his essay, much of this stuff is nonsense, of course, what it will be nonsense right up until the point it isnt. These are all names that would reappear in a second Trump Administration. We know that. This time, they would move a lot faster in breaking down the federal guardrails around our democracy. That should terrify all of us. Joining us now, congressman and House Oversight ranking member, jamie raskin. Congressman, its good to have you back on the show. Thank you for making time with us this evening. What was your reaction to this unprecedented joint warning from the 13 president ial libraries . Well, im glad people who are concerned about American History are willing to intervene in the moment to say that the Trump Movement is threatening to either lead the range and the form of the american experiment. Thats where we are. We are still in the thick of this struggle, so, it is good to have people speaking out about that. You know, they are laying out their plans to renew what steve bannon talked about at the very beginning of the Trump Administration, was to dismantle the deep state. By which he means, the federal government that implemented but loss of the people, adopted by congress. So, if they cant repeal the clean air act, if they cant repeal the Social Security act, if they cant repeal the clean water after the fair labor standards act, they will make it impossible for the federal government to enforce any of these critical frameworks touch. s and congressman, let me get your thoughts on this planned, this socalled Logic 2025 Put Forth by trump allies. It sounds almost super willi enough. Why are they so desperate to get the federal government . How seriously should we take this . Well, very seriously. We see the white that they targeted womens right to choose in roe v. Wade. They packed the courts with Federalists Acidity right wingers, and they demolished roe versus wade. They threaten the country into and uproar over this assault on womens rights. Theyve ruled the clock back on but civil rights progress that weve made since the 1960s and 70s, in many different ways. I mean, youve got governor desantis, who is trying to teach childrens up slavery was basically a Skills Training Apprenticeship program. In you know, the beginning of American History. So, what theyre talking about doing is demolishing and destroying the new deal and revealing the Administrative State that is used to enforce statues like the clean air act, the clean water act, National Labor relations act. They want to make it impossible for federal loss to be implemented. Now, its the president s job to take care of the laws are faithfully affect executed. Thats the heart of the constitutional duty but, they, of course, lawrence to take care that all of the laws being totally frustrated and defeated, and thats their vision. They wanted to return power to corrupt, right wing state governments, and make the federal government just for military and National Security state purposes. And for passing out corporate largest to their best friends in business. Congressman, let me pivot for a moment and get your thoughts, if i can, either the Developments Georgia with mark meadows failing to move his Georgia Election case to a federal court. As somebody who has investigated january 6th so closely as a result of the second impeachment trial, what do you make of that development, and the argument that mark meadows is trying to make . He was simply doing his job as the white house Chief Of Staff . The critical issue in that ruling, ayman, was whether or not he was fulfilling his federal duties. And if he had been fulfilling his federal work assignment, then he really could have gotten his case removed to federal court. Those are statures that are there to protect, you know, federal workers who are trying to implement civil rights laws, for example, against recalcitrant, racist governments in the south. But the courts, i think, rendered and excellent ruling saying that if you are getting involved in politics, generally, as a federal worker, you are violating the youve have crossed the line to engaging in critical work, and if you go all the way through just getting involved in the campaign to try to overthrow an election, you are not just being involved unlawfully in campaigning. You are involved in the criminal assault against the constitutional order. None of those things can be protected by federal law. None of them give you the refuge of the federal courts from a prosecution in state court for your crime. And of course, there in our viewers know you very well as a congressman, but you are a Constitutional Law Professor for many years. Let me get your thoughts on this effort to use the 14th Amendment to bar trump from the 2024 ballot. Do you think this is a worthy legal strategy to pursue . Is it doomed to fail . No, the january 6th select committee invoked. It we talked about it also during the impeachment. It has gotten a new lease on life as an argument, because to very conservative Federalist Society professors wrote this law review article for the upenn larvae. But Section Three of the 14th Amendment says anyone who has sworn an oath to uphold the constitution and violates those by quote, engaging in insurrection or rebellion, shell never be allowed to hold federal or state office again. Those professors made the point that this is a self executing provision. Like the ones, youve got to be 35 years old to run for president. If you show up, get on the ballot in colorado, and your 22 years old, the board of elections of the Secretary Of State will say you are not qualify. They are making the point that these administrative actors can also say, you are not qualified to someone who is engaged in insurrection against the union. So, this is an issue that is going to break out all over the country. Inevitably, it will make its way up to the supreme of the United States. Section three of the 14th Amendment doesnt say you cant have been, you cant run for office if youve been convicted of insurrection, rebellion, it just says you cant have engaged in insurrection or rebellion. It can be determined as a civil matter. You dont need to go to criminal courts. Of course, Congress Already determined, in the impeachment, that President Trump had incited insurrection against the union. There was a 57 to 43 vote to convict him of that on the senate side. Not enough to get to the two thirds of holding him culpable, but still, robust bipartisan majorities in both houses saying he did, in fact, engage an insurrection by inciting it. Congressman, we spent a lot of time on this show talking about your oversight colleague, james comer and his conspiracy laden quest to try to connect joe biden to his sons foreign business dealings. Now, you have House Republicans pushing for an Impeachment Inquiry into the president without any factual basis to do so. The republicans, at this point, even care about policy and getting things done for americans . If this is what the base of their party wants, how do democrats work to Counter Program all of this nonsense . Well, when the Trump Movement took over the republican party, they didnt pass a platform. That was a fairly explicit statement that their platform is just whatever Donald Trump Tells them it is. It is not a party that is unified by any programmatic or policy purposes. Its unified simply by their subservience to donald trump and their willingness to do whatever he tells them to do. So, i think that what is definitive of the gop today, alas lincolns party, it is become a cult of authoritarian personality. They are going to impeachment simply because donald trump feels like he doesnt want to run against someone who has not been impeached when he is the first twice impeached president in u. S. History, i keep reminding my republican colleagues that the constitutional standard for impeachment is treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. They havent late any wrongdoing at the footsteps of joe biden. They have nothing on him. They have 91 criminal charges against donald trump in courts all over the land, and there is nothing against joe biden. Trump cant live with that, so that is why they are saying they are not going to vote for a budget. Well shut the government down unless their Impeachment Proceedings and then he ate it against joe biden. And speaking of oversight, ive got to ask you about Jared Kushner. You have asked comer to subpoena Jared KushnersInvestment Firm over its ties to the Saudi Arabian government, to the qatari government, United Arab Emirates as well. Can you explain why you are concerned . What have you seen that makes it worried about this, that you want to have subpoenaed . Jared kushner created a company the day after the Trump Administration ended, and proceeded to collect billions of dollars, more than two billion dollars, from the saudi government for investment there, despite the fact that the sovereign investment funds, Investment Advisors recommended against it. They were overruled by the homicidal crowd prince himself, Mohammed Bin Salman, who said he wanted to give that money to Jared Kushner in addition to a 25 million a year management fee. Theres been very little of that money invested. The whole thing smells like a huge payback. A payoff, essentially, for everything that kushner did for Mohammed Bin Salman and the saudis when he was running middle east Foreign Policy there. Remember, he covered up for bin salmans brutal dismemberment and assassination of jamal khashoggi, its drawing and quarter ring, he tilted towards saudi arabia in the yemen war, when there were terrible atrocities taking place against the yemen population. And, in fact, kushner had pushed for saudi arabia to be the First Destination of donald trump and his foreign troubles. So, he got this huge payback. We have been trying to get documents showing what exactly they were doing for each other. But Jared Kushner refuses to comply. He is not answering and the if the democrats request, and Chairman Comer Has said he agrees with us that kushner crossed the line, crossed a line of ethics. And if thats true, then he should go ahead and render a subpoena so kushner will comply with our requests, so we can get to the bottom of this massive conflict of interest, likely foreign emoluments clause violation, and crime against the public interest. Our Foreign Policy has been, you know, irrevocably damaged by what Jared Kushner did with saudi arabia. And the other gulf monarchies. We want to get to the bottom of it. Our Foreign Policy has been, you know, irrevocably damaged by what Jared Kushner did with saudi arabia. And the other gulf monarchies. We want to get to the bottom of it. Congressman jamie raskin, always a pleasure to see you. Its great to see you doing well, sir. Thank you so much for coming back on the program, and we hope to see you again soon. Thanks for having me. Always a pleasure. Coming up, new polling suggests that americans arent sold on bidenomics. I will discuss this is my saturday night panel, but first, Richard Louis is here with the Breaking News out of morocco. Hey, richard. Hey, ayman. We have an update right now to america. Rutgers king, oh, Hamadeh Clearing three days of National Mourning in response to the deadly earthquake that killed over 2000 people as of this hour. Up to 2000 people are also injured in. Addition to that, the majority of which are in critical condition. U. S. Officials say the was the alex timeout in rates, about 36 miles outside of marrakech in africa. Extensive damage reported across the region. Most confirmed deaths are in marrakech, 1000 year old city. Is densely possible aid with business buildings not the sign for large earthquakes, some are even in. Make damaging clues unesco heritage sites, including a 12th century mosque in the famous red wall surrounding the old city. Teams are struggling to reach remote villages because of roads that are blocked by debris and self and service cut off in some areas. Moroccos king of some of life an Army Search Teams and urging citizens to find shelter and houses. Well have more updates from msnbc throughout the evening. Ayman from Ayman Mohyeldin, coming up after the break. I started a dog walking business. Oh. [dog barks] no its just a bunny only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Wake up, achievers. Onyoure making the most of every hour of your life. Except the hours that youre sleeping. So why do we leave so much Untapped Potential on the table . This is a next level bed, for a next level you. My Circadian Rhythm is kicking your Circadian Rhythms butt its not a competition. I know, but im still winning so, it is a competition. Save 50 on the sleep Number Limited Edition smart bed. Plus, free Home Delivery when you add an adjustable base. Shop now only at sleep number. 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