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State slait. Im whats called a former, someone with street credit who has walked in their boots and left that life behind. All across the country, i help extremists disengage before they destroy the lives of others, but sometimes im too late. Tonight a shocking series of discoveries. The fbi found bomb making materials and radioactive elements they believe could be tied to a neonazi group. I never said go out and kill anybody. I said if you must do it, for god sake, do it right. To pull people out of hate in time. Tell me whats going on. Like whats happening . You have to first understand how they got pulled in. I dont know what this is. That can be dangerous. I dont know if its a trap. I dont really know what im walking into. The end game is simply pure unadulterated destruction. On may 19th, 2017, in tampa, florida, a story about a bizarre series of crimes unfolded on the nightly news. With tampa Police Arrived at this smoke shop on friday, he was holding an employee and two customers at gunpoint. Police responded to the hostage crisis and took this 18yearold into custody. There he confessed to a far worse crime. A double homicide. Arthurs admitted he killed his two roommates who he described as neonazis. When Police Arrived at arthurs apartment, what they found was no ordinary crime scene. Inside were neonazi decorations, hordes of white supremacist literature and a framed photograph of Oklahoma City bomber Timothy Mcveigh. They also found the bodies of jeremy and andrew, both shot at close range with a semiautomatic weapon. Police had no idea they had just stumbled on the headquarters of a newly created neonazi hate group. The vision is a terrorist organization thats part of whats it called . Arthurs told investigators he had a falling out with his roommates, who he identified as neonazis. They would stay stuff like they want to go target like blacks. These people, they were not just innocent people. They werent just my roommates is what i mean. Inside the apartment, the bomb squad also discovered explosive components, including homemade fuses and even radioactive material. Arthurs claimed it belonged to a fourth roommate named brandon russell, a member of the Florida National guard and the founder. He is the leader of the organization. I was a senior leader. I thought i had heard the name of just about every hate group in america, but i had never heard of adam. What i find about them online is deeply disturbing. Powerful propaganda that highlights their shadowy Para Military organization. Even their name is extreme. It is german for atomic weapons. And from what i can tell, membership is growing. If im going to prevent more kids from falling prey, i need to find out how theyre getting radicalized and recruited in the first place. The grieving family of andrew, one of the victims in the tampa killing, offering to help. While chris and their daughter emily, who live in an ordinary middle class neighborhood outside of boston are in a uniquely tragic position, they lost a loved one twice. First two an extremist ideology. Then to an extremist bullet. From the outside, like my brother was a neonazi and people would message me on face bike saying your brother deserved to die. He was in a neonazi group, but he was a good kid. Youre like, no, those two things can coexist. I want to understand, you know, who was andrew as a kid . What was the trajectory . Can you tell me a little bit about that . He was this little, lovable, red lipped kid. Always drooling and so cuddly. He was compassionate and he had lots of empathy happy birthday to you. But 15 years later, andrew was a conflicted teenager. How can you have these feelings about jews and africanamericans and on the other side be this loving and compassionate person . Between 2012 and 2016, there was a 600 increase in followers of White Nationalist movements on twitter. Most americans probably dont imagine one of them could be a suburban kid from massachusetts, but theyd be wrong. Happy birthday to you. Andrew was a contradiction, handsome, physically fit and outdoorsy. But also socially awkward, selfserious and obsessed with military history, all of which isolated him from kids his own age. I remember when he was a kid. The kids were really making fun of him one day in the culdesac here, and i remember him stomping off and he was on the stove sitting there with his arms around his knees. That picture sticks with you. In 2010 when andrew was 11, walt, a Lieutenant Commander in the United States navy, deployed to iraq for a year and things took a turn for the worse on the home front. Andrew became angry and combative towards his mother and sister. He spent nights camping alone in the woods behind their house and hours isolated in his bedroom. They asked me to take a look around andrews room to see if i could find clues to his dissent that they might have missed. I discovered numerous warning signs. So this book in particular, a lot of symbology here. The first thing i notice is the 1488. The 88 there stands for the eighth letter of the alphabet, hail hitler. I would not know any of that. Your son comes downstairs, and i dont know what this is. This is the nordic root. Its the tree of life. I have tattooed on me. And the band here is a norwegian black metal band. The singer of this ban went to prison for burning churches. He is very much a National Social list as, you know, is the seed surrounding this band. Thats whats called a wolfs hook or a wolfs angle. Its an old nazi National Socialist symbol for world war ii. Everything i have seen here is a sign that most parents would never know what to look for. I had no clue about that. For the first two years i was involved in the movement 14 and 15 years old. My parents had no idea. One day i was bold enough to come home with a shaved head and tattoo. My parents said, what is this . I said too late. I see so many kids who had a bright future, who were smart, had the support of a family and most people think these are not the kids that get recruited that go down that path. Yeah. Thats not what you think of. Broken homes, alcohol, addiction, abuse, and that certainly happens. But this is the bulk of what i see. And these days, my inbox is flooded with cries for help like these people who fear they are losing their loved ones to white power extremism. Tonight one message stands out. Christian, i was recently very publically outed as a prominent leader of a White National terror cell. This isnt a normal skin head group. It is a cult on steroids with lots of guns. I have two options now. Make it my life and destroy my family or get out. I just dont know how to do the latter. You are my last option. 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According to the southern poverty law center, there are now over a thousand hate groups currently operating in the United States. But this division is one of the least known and most extreme. The videos they post online evoke a kind of american isis. The Group Celebrates domestic terrorists like Timothy Mcveigh and robert bowers. Were taking on ak47 fire. Everybody available unit in the city needs to get here now. I never worked with any of their members, but now one of them has reached out. I have a rare chance to learn how this frightening organization linked to the murders of five people in the last two years is radicalizing recruits. I see this as really an opportunity to help people who might turn into active shooters or might be planning a terrorist attack. This is a critical stage. And hopefully it will help stop people from getting killed. Any time somebody tells you that, you know, they were part of a group that murdered people that were preparing for a race war, i take that seriously. I dont know if its a trap. I dont know if this guy is genuine. I dont really know what im walking into. The man who has asked for my help is a leader in the new ranks. He has concerns about revealing his identity, so i agree to obscure his face, his voice and his real name. For now, ill call him richard. So, you know, you reached out to me. Tell me whats going on. Like whats happening . I got caught up in what is basically becoming a White National terrorist group. How does one become a leader in the cell . It just means you are basically the first one in a specific area. You dont tell people to do any particular one thing or another. If you were to estimate how big of an origination is this . I dont think they have more than 40 to 50 people. But 40 to 50, you know, terrorists could cause a lot of damage. Sure. I was watching one of the propaganda videos which, to me, looked exactly like an isis video. What are people learning how to fire automatic weapons doing that for if theyre not preparing for an armed race war . That is what theyre preparing for. Their end game is simply pure, unadulterated destruction. It is a death cult. Are we going to see the day where theyre walking into a school or to a mall or to a government building and, you know, opening fire on everybody . If they are, theyre not going to tell anyone about it until it happens. Given what richard tells me, you might wonder why anyone would join a group as extreme as this. Andrews family tells me he was a lonely kid who had difficulty finding a group of friends or a community he could truly call his own. He didnt pick up on social cues. He couldnt engage in normal conversations like he could kind of play the game with adults but with peers he couldnt. You know, there are a lot of kids that are struggling that dont tell us what theyre going through because they dont want to be seen as broken or odd because its further isolating. What they dont understand is when they grav vat towards these movements, theyre becoming more isolated. As andrew got older, he would spend hours all alone, researching conspiracy theories on the internet. Sandy hook was a setup, right. The holocaust. Men didnt land on the moon. Or the vaccines. You just stare at him like, are you serious . Do you really believe that, andrew . It was so frustrating. Andrew did believe it. And he began advocating his far right ideologies. His family got concerned. Desperately trying to help their son. Andrew had every resource available. They sacrificed everything. I think every time we talked it was like, what can we do for andrew . Andrew was young and idealistic but socially isolated and confused. Ripe for the picking for hate recruiters on the lookout for new blood. 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It fills some void in them. 18yearold andrew was murdered by a member of the White Supremacist Group he joined trying to fill that void, the same way i once did. I was physically recruited in an alleyway in chicago while andrews path to radicalization happened right here at home inside his bedroom was a portal into a dangerous world of false facts, deceptive propaganda and hate. Few people understand that the internet itself has the power to radicalize young people, and the crux of this problem lies with platforms like google, reddit or youtube. If you watch one or two videos, cure ration technology will continue feeding you similar content, not based on factual accuracy but on popularity with no reliable guide to help discern whats true and whats not. A persons world view can become poisoned. Thats what happened to andrew. And richard tells me it is what happened to him, too. For me it just started with online activities. You know, just floating around on white boards. There is like a step process where you go from the alt right, then you start to get a little more extreme. Then you get your fullfledged National Socialist. Like andrew, richard tells me hes never had many friends. He went online in search of a brotherhood he could call his own. They automatically accept you for who you are and tell you you are the top dog and you fall for it. You really do. I know exactly how that feels because it happened to me 30 years ago. It was easy for them to put their hooks into me because i was looking for acceptance, and i was willing to do awful things to maintain that level of acceptance. The desire to fight for a cause and community is a power intoxicant for Vulnerable People. Andrew found an obscure onehalf a world away. He became obsessed with a Para Military group in ukraine and watched videos of their exploits online. He saw them as Freedom Fighters battling prorussian separatists. In reality, it is also an infamous neonazi batalion. The group has learned to exploit the internet as an International Recruitment tool. Good evening and good morning to our listeners in the u. S. You are listening to when he was just 16, ukrainian supporters found andrew online and invited him to speak as an expert on their podcast. After andrew died, a journalist gave this recording to the family. Today we have a life discussion with andrew who will discuss with me the situation and the right Wing Movement in the usa. Hello. Good morning. What is the current state of the National Movement in the United States . You know about the fbi, which is the internal Security Police for the United States. They have been doing a lot of work turning different nationalist organizations against each other. There is a change a little bit with donald trump. Hes the most far right politician that we have had in this country in a very long time. And many people have come out in support of him. So this is pretty standard recruitment right here. Theyre empowering him by putting him on these platforms. Yeah. Andrew and i both wanted something we could believe in. I wanted to join the military. And andrew kind of floundered and hes like thats not cool enough. I need to do something edgier. I think he was intercepted. An adult took that 16yearold kid and manipulated him. Twisted him. Exactly. Thats what the influencers do. They find Vulnerable People and promise them paradise. Yeah. His interest in a teenager from boston may seem farfetched. But for years i have seen evidence of russian and ukrainians recruiting vulnerable americans. It is a frightening pattern confirmed by multiple sources, including this member richard. These groups are approaching people from the ukraine. It is not just adam. It is a lot of National Socialist groups. It turns out at least one member of an american hate group charged with inciting violence in charlottesville last year also trained in ukraine with azof batalion. This should scare the hell out of everyone. It means white power extremists are heading overseas for paramilitary training to bring that experience home to kick start an american race war. This is not just a problem for the United States. The new zealand gunman who recently murdered 50 muslims wore an azof patch during the attack. He arranged for a hostile in kiev and bought a fake passport and he bought a one way ticket. Sleeping bags, everything, ready to go. Oh yeah, sure. Um. You dont know my name, do you . laughs nervously of course i know your name. I just get you mixed up with the other guy. Whats his name . Whats your name . Switch to geico®. You could save 15 or more on car insurance. Could you just tell me . I want this to be over. Spending time together, sometimes means doing nothing at all. Holiday inn. Were there. So you can be too. What about him . Lets do it. Come on. This summer, add a new member to the family. 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In andrews sophomore year of high school, he decided to run away from home and join the neonazi azof batalion in ukraine. He comes down to the bedroom. Hes crying. And i said, what is going on . And he said, youre not going to believe this. He bought a one way ticket. He had a fake passport. He bought a fake passport from ireland, 500 it cost him because he thought his u. S. Passport may fail. He arranged for a hostile in kiev, for a limousine to come to the house and pick him out. He flushed the money into his account and out the same day. I never saw it. Hes so smart. So he had 250 in cash. Kevlar plates. Sleeping bags, everything, ready to go. So sad. I mean, i know what a go bag looks like. After they discovered andrews plan, they intervened and talked him out of it. But he remained isolated an disconnected except for online. In august of 2016, i started to hear about this kid jeremy. And i was like, this is kind of nice. You know, andrew is fanning out and being social. It was just a sigh of relief. And youre hopeful because the last thing you want is to see your kid sitting there with no friends. And before he died, he talked to chris and said, mom, how do you make friends . Did he say that . We went out for dinner together and hes like, mom, tell me. I had no idea he said that. Yeah. So when you look at it, some of the things that were probably warning signs, alarm bells, you may have disregarded because youre like, oh, okay, you know, hes branching out. Hes doing this. Andrew and jeremy developed a strong bond, and they tell me he was a good hearted kid. What they didnt know is that the boys had actually met on a neonazi website and were now diving deeper into White Nationalism. Around this time, racist recruitment posters began popping up on various campuses in chicago, florida, virginia and boston. Boston University Police posted a video of one of the suspects asking for the publics help. They knew immediately it was their son. Andrew had finally found a community and a cause to fight for. Is that something that he had hanging in his room . This is hanging above this, his futon. And that is when i knew. I was like, this is real. I was like, how do you think this looks from the outside world. When i think of evil, this is what its synonymous with. Youre not going to have a job. You are not going to have a future. He just didnt care. But emily, who is now preparing to serve in the u. S. Military, was growing more concerned. I was in my rotc unit, and we had an fbi agent come and talk. We look at each other and were like, oh, my god, this is my brother. I went up to the agent afterwards and i was like, hey, i dont know what to do. Like i think this lines up with who my brother is. And hes like, well, there is not really anything we can do. Heres my card like if you need something. I was like a response like this just begs the question, are violent White Supremacist Groups even on the governments radar . Weve got thousands of analysts focussed on the threat from radical islam. But who is looking at the threat within . Darrell johnson is a former Homeland Security intelligence expert who drafted a 2009 report cautioning the rise of far right extremism and how it could lead to bloodshed on americas streets. Since 2008, we had a combination of first africanamerican president , which became a recruitment tool for them. But whats really kept this movement going is the fact that their extremist messages that have been mainstream. When you have the person in charge of the country talking about these things and making them seem normal but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. It emboldens those on the fringes. I just cannot, cannot understand why were having such a hard time calling it terrorist. A narrative for terrorism is middle eastern, you know, brown, arab people. When you say that we have people within our own country who are white and they get radicalized, people dismiss it as the act of a crazed gunman or a hate crime. In 2018, 50 more americans were killed by extremists who all took inspiration from the same far right websites and the same hate filled source material. And, yet, a 2019 rand report confirmed that under the Trump Administration funding for Homeland Security programs to counter domestic extremism was cut by around 70 . Suspect is talking about all these jews need to die. All this leaves a wide open Playing Field for influencer like james mason, a longtime figure in the White Power Movement who debated his world view on radio programs like this one from 1991. Youre advocating murder and terrorism. Youre advocating the violent overthrow of the government. Im telling you whats on the way, sir. Its going to happen on its own. No one can stop it. No one. 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In 1980 he began publishing newsletters collected into what became a play book for white supremacists. Siege calls for the use of violence to jump start a race war, ideas that they adopted as their own. White revolution is the only solution. I tracked mason down and found him living in denver, not far from the state capital and somewhat to my surprise, he agrees to meet me. Mr. Mason. Christian, how are you . Im good. How are you . Im good. I read masons writings when i first joined the movement. I never imagined i would be seated across from him one day on opposite sides of a deadly conflict. A group is inspired by your writings. They yeah. How do you feel that the writings that you wrote even in the 80s that i remember reading. Yeah. Are out there today still inspiring people to kill other people. Well, now wait a minute. I never said go out and kill anybody. I said if you if you or anybody else must do this, for gods sake, do it right. I find out they make pilgrimages to his apartment to snap photos with their video and using the internet to make his vile ideas relevant to a new generation of racists. But i know from experience that no one is radicalized purely by ideology. Everyone has a back story. I was hating school. I was turning very much inward. I was alienated and i was angry. When you put those two together, look out. My dad has a private ars ars nell. I said to myself, if something doesnt change within a few days, im going into that office and settling accounts. Youre talking about being a School Shooter. What stopped you . I called party headquarters. They invited mason to join, and that diverted his path from School Shooter and launched his career as a propagandaist. Would you discourage one of your followers who came to you in private . Ive had it happen. Young people. And i said dont do it. Dont do it. Youre valuable. We need you. I had sam woodward here. And if he had run that past me, i would have said dont do it. In january of 2018, Samuel Woodward stabbed to death a 19yearold Jewish College student. Dont do it why . Because you are worth far more. What about the persons life who was lost . Im not too concerned about it. Im not too concerned. But knowing there are people like that that are reading your book and living out word for word. If you have got to do it, make it worthwhile. So somebody like james alex fields who drove his car into a group of people and murdered a woman, you wouldnt condone that. That had to be done. There should have been more. I think somebody should have opened up on that crowd of communists down there and just lay them waste. Oh, my god he should have accounted for 50 or more. Now hes doing life for one confused, lost and confused white girl who got turned against her own people. Well, i know heathers mother. She lost her daughter who was at the peak of her life. She was victimized by the communists. She was victimized by a nazi. That nazi drove his car and murdered her. James, you have been doing this for 50 years. 53. 53 years. Are you tired . No. I never been more invigorated. Most people dont survive. They will either burn out or go to jail or be killed. But i survived. I survived. James mason has survived by living like a coward. Staying in a background while inspiring others to bloody their hands and commit violence. I cant stop him from spreading more propaganda. What i can do is hold him accountable and try to prevent more recruiting like richard from falling prey to it. The first survivor of alzheimers disease is out there. And the Alzheimers Association is going to make it happen. But we wont get there without you. Join the fight with the Alzheimers Association. Puberty means personal space. So sports clothes sit around doing a little growing of their own. Ohhh. Ahhgh. So imagine how we cheered when we found tide pods sport. Finally something more powerful than the funk. 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Fellow legionairres didnt understand why he joined. They said, why arent you joining the u. S. Military . Andrew faked an injury and returned home. Andrew was a different person when he came back from the legion. There are lessons he learned there, even though we would want to team hitch and not have to go through that, but he had to go through it. So he comes back, and andrew is apologizing. He said, i really am sorry for what ive put you guys through. And he said, i didnt realize that my beliefs would bring me all these negative things. And then he said, if you hear me saying something or doing something thats sending me down the wrong road, please tell me, because i would like to fix it. I dont know where the people that you have dealt with, if theres like this epiphany or point where its a tipping point. With atomwaffen, it had take an back seat and he was looking where do i go now . Andrew decided to follow in the footsteps of his father and sister, and enlisted in the United States navy. But before signing on, he made a fateful choice to accept a tumor job in florida with his good friend, jeremy himleman. That meant sharing an apartment with the old atomwaffen crew. Brandon russell and devin arthurs. Andrew and jeremys text thread, tells me they had mixed feelings about the trip. Once andrew arrived in tampa, tensions began to rise between the roommates. We had talked to andrew on wednesday, and he said, im ready to get out of here. Devin arthurs is converted to islam, and hes spouting off all this stuff. I. C. Sis stuff. He was listening to this jihadist stuff. Andrew had only been down there a week and a half. He told his parents his roommateser to down an American Flag and using it as a doormat. I said get out of there now. It was a temp job. He said no, let me stay a little while longer. Devin came in and surprised them and shot both of them. It was like two days, you know, a difference in a life was two days. Two years ago on may 19th, 2017, andrew was murdered. After spending a year in a psychiatric facility, his alleged killer, devin arthurs, is in jail awaiting trial. And brandon russell, the leader of atomwaffen, is serving a fiveyear prison sentence, convicted on charges of Unlawful Possession of explosives. Recently, facebook announced a zero tolerance policy for White Nationalism. Google, which owns youtube and twitter, are also taking steps to limit hateful content. But for andrew, its too late. Because of what happened, andrew will always be Different Things to different people. To some, hes a nazi who deserved to die. But to his family, hes remembered as a happy little boy. A brother, who planned to serve his country. And a hardworking son who will never finish the treehouse he was building with his father. When i think about andrew losing his life at 18 years old, it reminds me that i didnt leave the White Power Movement until i was 22. Andrew will never have the opportunity that i did, to become a better man. But the hope is that i can get to others and break the hate before it turns deadly. Thats my goal with richard. Are you denouncing what you were part of . Yes, i denounce it, fully. You know, im not going to sugarcoat it. I dont know that anybody, including myself, is going to believe you unless youre willing to put in the hard work. Of course not. For richard, the hard work will begin when i set him up with a therapist and family counselor. Hell need to confront some deeply held beliefs, and make amends for the harm hes caused to his family and the community. Are you concerned about your wellbeing now that you have decided to break from them . Im more concerned for my family than anything es. Atomwaffen has so much hatred, that they want to direct it anywhere they can. You know, going into this, i was skeptical. But i still have concerns about whether hes genuine or not. But i could hear in his voice that, you know, he was afraid. Hes trying to get away from people who not only want to violently murder their enemies, but willing to murder their own. Im willing to help you. Part of what i do is i dont judge, i just help. Thank you. Since i started working with richard, ive received emails from two more atomwaffen members who want out. I plan on helping them, too. I think you need to sit down and talk to somebody about that. Because the more we push these people away, the closer they come to crossing a line. This is an msnbc special series. All across america, support for White Nationalism is growing. And violence against yous is je skyrocketing. Im trying to fight back. Were not born to hate. Ideology isnt even what is leading people to these movements. I know thi