The latest Political Developments of the day and interviews with top newsmakers are featured. The 06day period. This needs to be over with soon. I think its been very bad for the country and were at a point in this inquiry where they can wrap it up. Mayor, i know youve said and i said we want to see this come to closure soon here. Mayor . Yes, we do. Its about time that it ends. I also think and i hope the Special Counsel is sensitive it as we are. We do not want to run into the november elections. So you back up from that, this should be over with by september 1st. I think it needs to end very soon and it needs to end very soon because the nature of whats taking place here is irregular and thats being kind. From lock her up to wrap it up, that sounds like lawyer speak for we might be losing. The latest evolution of their messaging strategy from no dough lugs to collusion isnt really a crime to lets call the whole thing off, we see more signs today mueller is zeroing in on another trump ally, roger stone. Hes being investigated for communicating with russians over stolen emails. He seems likely to become the probes next target. One of his close allies, the monterey madam, testifying before a grand jury in the investigation today while another one of stones allies is being held in Contempt Of Court today for refusing to comply with the judges order to testify, which means hes choosing potential jail time over cooperating with robert mueller. Here to help us understand all the days developments, joips advance, former u. S. Attorney now law professor msnbc contributor, Frank Figliuzzi former assistant director for Counter Intelligence at the fbi and msnbc contributor. On set with Us White House reporter from the Washington Post Ashley Parker and correspondent for the north county times. Joyce, let me start with you and the machinations of this for a nonlawyer and someone outside this court, it seems like a bizarre, bizarre trial with a very interesting character as a judge. Tell us what it means that they were on pause for so long, do we know what they were doing and what are the scenarios for what could have been going on. We dont know exactly what was going on, but this really isnt at all unusual for a tl l trial. Sometimes when you get to this point and even earlier on in a case, issues can come up. There can be the need for a lot of back and forth between the judge and the lawyers as they sort out legal issues. And sometimes you can see juries either sitting in a courtroom or back in the jury room wondering what the delay is about because the judge doesnt necessarily share it with them either if its purely a legal issue about admissible evidence. Here we had a little bit of a Curiosity Thinking that perhaps it might involve jurors who had begun to deliberate prematurely. The rule is that the jurors arent supposed to begin to discuss the evidence until the trial is complete and until theyre all in the room together. They are admonished not to talk in twos or threes, but only to deliberate as an entire group. We dont know for certain there is any problem along those lines. The judge did give an additional
instruction that they are back in the room and listening to evidence or it looks like the parties agreed the case was ready to move forward. Frank, i know we were pinging you all day with questions about your theories of what this pause could have been about. Can you share them with our viewers . Well, my first thought was indeed what appears on its face, that some juror may have been reported as saying or doing something inappropriate, but as joyce said, this happens all the time. It can be remedied. The key for me on this is whether there is any appealable issue, but it sounds like there is no disagreement between the defense and the prosecution on this. It sounds like it was an amicable agreement to resolve it. And if this is what happened, we move on. And dont forget, there are alternate jurors that if indeed this continues to happen, thats why you have alternates. You can insert someone and dismiss the juror who is causing an issue. That may have been it. We may be wrong. There may have been Something Else going on as well. Joyce vance, let me ask you to weigh in on the other story
we mentioned at the top of the show, this ruling that this conversation could be sealed because of concerns about gates testimony in the context of the larger ongoing investigation. This, i think, is very interesting. We also heard this week that it was possible that gates wouldnt serve any jail time at all at the end of these proceedings. And youll remember that he was indicted along with manafort for the whole kit and kaboodle. I dont think its by testifying in the manafort trial. The government Didnt Need Gates to prove this case. They must be getting assistance from him on Something Else and that Something Else is the content of those six sealed pages of the transcript from yesterday. Gates was around for the republican convention. He may know details, for instance, about how the Republican Party platform was
softened towards ukraine. He could know about money donors to the inauguration. He could know about contacts between people involved in the campaign and russians. So there are a lot of possibilities for what he might be able to narrate. Well just have to remain curious a little bit longer. Frank figliuzzi, he was around on the campaign when figures like carter page were also swirling around, that rather chaotic campaign. George papadopoulos was around that campaign. It started as a Counter Intelligence investigation, something that you know a little bit about. How would you use rick gates in the larger investigation into potential collusion or conspiracy with the russians to impact the 2016 campaign . What questions would you have him answer in exchange for what joyce just described, potentially no or little jail time . So i never thought that rick gates was all about a White Collar Crime case against manafort. He can answer the key question, the umbrella question of what this is all about, which is to
what extent did this campaign collude with an adversarial government to impact the outcome of an election. And did the president of the United States have as his Campaign Chairman an agent of a foreign power. Thats what gates gets to the heart of. Thats what hes answering. And i believe he knows the answers to those questions and has already provided them to the mueller team. And you reminded us today that gates was around a lot longer than manafort was. Theres been a lot of fire attacking manafort saying he wasnt around long, he gets the papadopoulos coffee boy treatment. Rick gates was and they havent done as nearly a effective job as distancing themselves from the transition, he was around the white house, he was in and around until he was indicted. Rick gates is a survivor. I remember on the campaign the president wants him gone, the president wants him fired, then
there he was. Not only does he have this perch, but hes there through the rest of the campaign. The convention is mentioned. Ment he had a role on the inaugural committee. Through President Trump he was deeply involved in the daytoday business of the white house, spotted on those 16 or 18 acres. Really, as you said, up until the day he was indicted. This is another reminder of how deep the tentacles of muellers probe. Do you have any sense, mike schmidt, there is any growing anxiety about all these fronts theyre managing now since the manafort trial . The ruling yesterday there is a value gates has to the larger investigation, we havent heard much from cohen this week. That is obviously ongoing and unfolding. Is the president there sort of
you have one witness that says this is what happened. Did and then you have another witness that recalls, well, no, thats not how i recall it, it happened this way. Someone writes a report and says, well, we believe this one, we dont believe that one, thus its perjury. The example, no crime. If it had been said, president says go easy on him which the president says he didnt say stop it, dont do it, so no crime. However, It Didnt Take place according to the president. According to comey it did. Now of course, if it didnt it wouldnt have mattered. But youre right. Im thinking my cousin vinny. Why are they acting out how the president might perjure himself in interview after interview after interview . This cannot be said enough. They believe the only thing that matters is public opinion. And if they can muddy the waters and make it more difficult for the average voter, the average voter will put less pressure on the House Of Representatives and the president will not face
perjury trap because theyre going to have to say to the public, look, heres why he cant do this thing, that most people would say if he did nothing wrong why cant you answer. That would be their strategy for ignoring a subpoena . The president would have to explain. He can say this is a witch hunt over and over again. The average person will say, just go and answer the questions. If you have nothing to hide, thats what i tell my 6yearold. Ashley parker, roger stone seems to be the person in the swirl today on the Collusion Side of the investigation, the Manhattan Madam went in and testified, another former aide is being held in Contempt Of Court today. Does that trigger any anxiety around the don Junior Circle or the jared circle or any of the other individuals who were in the room with the russians who promised dirt . I think right now yes and no. Roger stone is pretty loyal to the president. They have a very complicated love hate relationship that goes back decades. Far as we know. But stone sort of understands the psychology of President Trump better than most people in
that orbit. And he said publicly so far hes not going to testify against the president. I think thats probably viewed as reassuring, although this white house understands that people can flip like, for instance, Michael Cohen. Michael flynn. And michael flynn. And rick gates. So and pretty much everybody except Paul Manafort has flipped. So theyre aware that people can change when theyre getting pressed by the feds. When you have someone, self described colorful character, practitioner of the dark arts like roger stone who relishes in that image and plays up that idea of himself, its never great if he ends up going before muellers team. He does have these long ties to donald trump. It doesnt seem like a good fact, good piece of the pattern. The person who arguably was around him in the context of politics the longest was the colluder. Right. Not a good fact. Not a good fact. Frank, what would you do as an investigator if you were able to put roger stone in the
category of people who you can prosecute beyond a reasonable doubt if you were able to do that, able to charge him . Where does he fit into this collusion puzzle . Yeah, i think weve been because theres been so many people to focus on, weve been ignoring the significance of stone. Stone is a significant player here because, lets not forget, the whole connection to russian social media propaganda, the connection to julian assange, the wikileaks issue, hacking, all of this is encircling stone. And mueller is getting closer and closer. Lets not forget that the Manhattan Madam was interviewed first voluntarily by the mueller team, and then put in front of a grand jury. That tells us she said something very significant, very worthwhile, and likely against stone or someone else being targeted by the mueller team. So this is a man to keep watching. Im beginning to envision a Cafeteria Table in a federal prison where one guy says to the other guy, hey, what are you in
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moffa and george toskas, the sources said. Joyce is back. Ashley is on set. You believe it to be an important piece of all this. Why . Once again, nicolle, we are seeing not oversight, but rather complete attempts to obstruct by calling as witnesses under subpoena to the hill people who some of whom are career Public Servants. Jonathan moffa, for example, is a longtime career Intelligence Analyst in the Counter Intelligence division of the fbi. Hes very smart. Heeds been with this case since day one. So what theyre doing is they have identified him by name. They are going to call him to the hill under subpoena. They are going to threaten contempt if He Doesnt Spill Everything he knows as sensitive as it is about this case, and its shameful that theyre going to attack a Public Servant for political reasons. Thats what were going to watch happen here and i hope it doesnt happen. Mike schmidt, how do they
destroy the credibility of the fbi attacks land at the fbi . Some of these people were, are highly regarded figures who had the bureaus interest in mind and they are now political chum in the water for rudy and the president. Look at the damage theyve done. The director, the deputy director, the general counsel and the top Counter Intelligence agent. So, in that sense theyve cleared out the folks the closest to this investigation. I think the fbi is as good enough of an organization that whoever replaced those folks are probably as capable. But what a deterrent and what a success it has been to hollow out the agency in the way that they have. But is there any fear all those people did that we just named, theyve scrutinized the fisa application. Theyve scrutinized the dossier application. The surveillance was fruitful enough to continue to reauthorize it. Is there any change how they go about doing their jobs because of these attacks . I dont think so. Theyre probably a little more
nervous. Do you really want to be on a big case now if youre a line fbi agent, you may get called before congress, have Hundreds Of Thousands of legal bill turnout like pete strzok with millions of dollars of legal bills. There is a deterrent to get if involved. If youre the republicans i can see why theyve done that. The fbi has been the greatest gift to donald trump in this story. The page and strzok text messages, between the agent leading into the investigation in which he expresses an tiptrump bias. Thats what an important thing for trump trying to turn the narrative in the other direction. Frank, do you want to get in on that . Its a good question as to whether or not people will think differently or do their business differently in the fbi. And the one thing that i can think of is actually unfortunate, which is that now fbi professionals have to start thinking politically. How is this going to be perceived on the hill . How is this going to spin politically . Should we be doing something to counter political appearances . I can tell you thats not how
fbi professionals thought in the past. They just go about their business. The unfortunate by product of this is we are now going to have fbi professionals at all levels thinking about political repercussions and trying to figure out what the game is going to be on the hill. Is there anyone in the white house thats concerned about any of this, that they see, is there anyone in leg affairs, National Security apparatus, the counsels office that is ever squeamish about what the president s defenders in the house do . I will say very, very, very privately, there are some people who think it is wildly unhelpful, some of the sort of more overtly political initiatives that are Getting Started in the house. But its certainly not something anyone would, as we discussed before, resign over or even raise concerns in a public way. If Rod Rosenstein is there in the morning, callahan or chris wray, do any of them turn on cable in the afternoon and see, goodlatte or trey gowdy really
decimating the integrity of the fbi or d. O. J. , back off, i was with chris wray. Hes doing his best to turnover a new leaf is a right word, do any of them try to stop this or is it green lit . Is it ordered from the white house . Its not ortded from the white house, but i think the way a lot of people in general this is somewhat of a blanket statement, have learned to deal with this white house and this president as sort of tuning out what can euphemistically be described as the noise, right. Its not helpful to try to engage the president on his tweets. Its not really helpful to try to have a discussion about the latest thing that devin nunes has said. Its sort of to try to get in there and do your job and persuade or sway the president or move the institution a very tiny bit in the direction you believe it should go. And that on the whole is how people are handling a tricky situation like this. Joyce, speaking of devin nunes, Rachel Maddow our colleague had a tape of him speaking privately. He never once said the president was innocent. He never once said he thought collusion was perfectly legal. He said the opposite, collusion is criminal. What he said is if we dont protect trump from all of this, this all goes away. What does that sound like to a prosecutor or an investigator . Whether its technically obstruction of an investigation or not, it sounds awfully close to it. It sounds like nunes is saying well lie to the American People until this election is over, but then well come back and put an end to Rod Rosenstein, which means curtailing the mueller investigation. So now in advance of this election, every republican and probably democratic member in the house gothose up for reelection, those not for reelection, need to be asked, will you vote for Rod Rosenstein to be impeached so the Mueller Veg Investigation can be terminated after the election is over . They need to put them on record to hold them accountable. What nunes does disgraceful, not
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bigot, as a misogynist, all the bad words. But there are some specific things did she leave anything out . Ashley is smiling in here because we were joking in the office. There is a scene where Michael Cohen comes in the office with omarosa. President trump according to omarosas account actually chews pieces of paper in the oval office. So theres a lot of wait, wait. Let me just ask a question about this. There is so much bad news, like what would be so bad, he would eat it . I will just i will never not find that passage amusing. Its totally unverified. We should add our colleague said omarosa is wildly incredible. He did listen to some Tapes Omarosa made that verified what shes quoting in the book. We cant tell there is munn muching of paper. Can we find a sound effect of chewing . We need to find that for ashley. Let me read this excerpt because
it is pretty delicious. In early 2017 omarosa said she walked Michael Cohen this is so funny. Sorry. Then trumps personal errant hoping to flip. Saw the president chewing up a piece of paper while cohen was leaving the office. This is the president of the president of the United States. Good god. I saw him put a note in his mouth since trump was ever the germophobe, he was chewing and swallowing the paper. It must have been something very sensitive, she writes in the book. Several white house aides laughed and said it wasnt true. Why wouldnt it be true . There are all sorts of weird conduct thats happening for the first time and as mike schmidt and frank and joyce said, it isnt that he didnt do it. Its that he can get away with it. He hired this woman. The fact shes not like a media plant. This is a loyalist. Whats bizarre is she presumably knew all this when she worked at apprentice. Why would she make things up in a book . 15,000 is not much. She should have held out for 150,000 like some of these other gals. Is this credible . Who knows. And at some point you have to kind of dont care. She doesnt have anything probative in terms of any of the scandals that ive heard of yet, so it is amusing i suppose at some level. It is indicative of the fact this president was surrounded by low life, by people who were not competent, by people who were not professional, not honest, and maybe its going to come back to haunt him. Jason, i was thinking about how his supporters might do this. Jennifer says she was a loyalist. Yes. She was a lifer. She was on board for the duration of the campaign. She did defend him against all of the attacks, attacks for being racist, attacks after
access hollywood, i think she was still out there for this is a defender and a loyalist turning on him. And i wonder if within that this is not, you know, someone from the media. This is not someone that came in and wrote a tellall. This is someone from deep inside his inner circle. I say this as 134someone Whos had a lot of conversations with her during the campaign. None of the stuff about him being racist is surprise surprising. I remember her saying that to me during the debates. None of this is shock being. As far as being a loyalist, no one actually thought she was loyalist. She was loathed among africanamerican republicans. None of them liked her. She wasnt liked in the campaign. She wasnt a loyal it. She was a hanger on when it comes to donald trump. Like most people when it comes to donald trump, if its not financially viable, 15,000, she can get in a speaking fee in certain sections. Betrayal is the standard when it comes to this president. Working with him, if it doesnt payoff, you have to stab him in the back. Do you think this book
sarah Huckabee Sanders sput out a response that was eerily similar to what she put out in fire and fury. Instead of telling the truth about all the good President Trump and his administration are doing, this book is riddled with lies. Sound like her briefings. Its sad she is trying to profit off the attacks and the media is giving her a platform. Even worse, theyre not taking her seriously let me see. We dont take a lot of you seriously. So much wrong with that. Phil rucker, the way to say about a book, what youre all sayi saying, is to ignore the book. This is not to say if youre not worried about it. Hes not going to let these grudges occur silently. One of the problems the white house has is they dont have credibility because of the 18 months of the presidency so far where theyve told the American People things that are not true. Right, right. Again and again and again. So if theyre now saying this book cant be taken seriously, theyre not credible its like two tarantulas in a bowl. Who not credible. Who is . Whats the answer . Probably neither one of them so you dont believe either one of them. Phil brings up a good point. This is exactly what they did to push the last tellall book to the top of the charts. Right. So having sarah Huckabee Sanders tweet about it or put out a statement and better yet having the president tweet about it, that is what omarosa is praying for because that means shes going to sell more books. And i think it would be an elite fairy tale people wont buy it. People are curious. Hes the president of the United States. Shes a famous reality star person, i think. Realistically speaking, she has one of the longest relationships with him of anybody in this white house right now outside of his family. Omarosa was the first apprentice, 2002 or Something Like that. If there is anyone who actually
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we all said that about trump. I said that about trump. Trump made it happen in the Republican Party a few years ago. You look at the field of democrats right now and afrm nat i is the one who stands out. Hes the one not a politician, not a senator or mayor or what have you. If he gives the base what theyre looking for and shows that he can go toe to toe with trump, hed have a chance. I think the determining sort of factor for him will be what do democrats value most . If they decide they value a fighter most, people would be foolish to under estimate Michael Avenatti. I have always said they need a fighter. Thats why i said, whether its elizabeth warren, governor of virginia, you need someone who is actually going to go head to head with donald trump. You need someone who is not going to try and Take The High Road because the high road doesnt work with this guy. To be honest with you, an avenatti holder ticket who knows if that ends up being effective one way or another. I dont think were at a point when youre running against a president in office, democrats will want to win. Whoever they think can win regardless of what his or her
background might be, that person can be a hd head. If avenatti can give a good speech, why not . The asymmetry seemed to be what led the 16, 17 republicans who ran against him and ultimately Hillary Clinton to lose. They tried running factually accurate ads. Donald trump didnt say anything factually accurate. They gave speeches. They prepared for their debates. He didnt do any of those things and he won. I think this is a really bad idea. Simply because donald trump ran as a celebrity and has become the worst president in history. Doesnt mean The Democrats should duplicate it. Democrats are different than republicans. They do care about governance. They do care about some of the policy issues. I think looking at him, democrats would and should be insulted that he thinks he can come into their party at the last moment and run for president. Its not at the last moment. Its 2018. Hes not been a political in his career, in his life. At the last moment, he hasnt been a democrat operative, he
hassant been a democratic candidate at any level. They better get a decent person. Who is it . They havent found one yet. Theyre going to go out looking. They have mayors, they have senators. I really havent seen anyone who grabs you by the throat. I havent met, Ashley Parker, anyone who feels good about their pool. People who work for Bernie Sanders i havent melt a democrat who likes their odds. Im not advocating for another person who hasnt worked in politics. Im saying why not. There are a lot of things as we know running for president The Democrats still value. Understanding policy and someone who can withstand ive been to the movie. I can tell The Democrats how it ends. Care about National Security, fair. The one thing i will say is compelling about him is democrats, whoever they nominate, will need to be someone who understands the trump psychology, who can go one on one with him and who isnt going to be dismissed by a silly
nickname or being called sleepy. Michael avenatti has shown, keep in mind all those women came out during the campaign. They did not breakthrough. It was not until he began representing these women with his tactics to bring that issue to the forefront. Does that qualify for him to be the nominee for The Democrats as president . He has The Show Man Ship the president has which is important going head to head with him. I think we live in a post qualification era. No offense, michael avenue nat. I up next, one year after charlottesville, the president wading into his favorite culture war again. It lets you know when you go too fast. And brake too hard. With feedback to help you drive safer. Giving you the power to actually lower your cost. Unfortunately, it cant do anything about that. Now that you know the truth. Are you in good hands . And i dont add up the years. But what i do count on is boost®. Delicious boost® high protein nuritional drink now has 33 more protein, along with 26 Essential Vitamins and minerals boost® high protein. Be up for life. Save 40 with our lowest price ever. Today, lifechanging technology from abbott is helping hunt them down at their source. Because the faster we can identify new viruses, the faster we can get to stopping them. The most personal technology, is technology with the power to change your life. Life. To the fullest. Several nfl players last night took a knee or raised their fist during the National Anthem. One of those was Malcolm Jenkins of the philadelphia eagles, the team that had its visit to the white house in june cancelled by trump, who wasted no time this morning pouncing on one of his favorite talking points tweeting, quote, the nfl players are at it again, taking a knee when they should be standing proudly for the National Anthem. Find another way to protest. Be happy, be cool, stand proudly for your National Anthem or be suspended without pay. I want to read Something Else he said. He said most of them, the players, are unable to define what their outrage is about. That seems to me what does that seem like to you . Its just a lie. Its just more racism from the president of the United States. I think whats really interesting, there was an article in the ringer where they interviewed Aaron Rodgers. Hes like americas golden boy. Even Aaron Rodgers says this is nonsense. This is nonsense. He said we didnt even come out for the pledge when i was behind brett favre. All of this is a creation of rightwing White Nationalists who want to attack africanamerican players for being ungrateful. Thats what the president wants to do, thats the reason hes talking about it and all the rest of the owners are capitulating. So its obvious its for political purposes, not for any practical financial reason. This is one step above Laura Ingraham saying its the america that she has lost. The degree to which the Republican Party now turns on race, on xenophobia is one of the things we find horrifying. Its the only card they have to play. They still believe its a base election, they still believe they have to turn out their people and the way to do it is
always going back to the race issue. Its not taxes, its not trade, its race. They go back to it again and again. I dont get the moral compass. Wheres paul ryan, wheres mitch mcconnell. Where are the guys who used to run as politicians with character. There are none. This goes a little bit to what we talked about earlier in the show that people have decided that the best way to deal with this president is to sort of stay quiet and to not pick fights. You make a fair point, there are a lot of people we look to, whether it was the Policy Arbiters or the moral barometers. Theres a few of them, but often these are people who are leaving congress or who are retiring or who have some other reason to be outspoken but theres not that many of them. The president has also shown that you thought he took on lebron james the night there he was heading to ohio. Hes taken on the nfl. A sport that is huge with his base. So far there have been no major
repercussions with him. If youre one of these politicians who is not a profile in courage and you look at the situation, you dont have much incentive to come out. It does seem, though, like when women have to go to the polls, there will be a these are cumulative. These attacks are racist. They are against people who are not sticking their toe into politics. Theyre exercising their First Amendment rights to peaceful protests. And were at the oneyear anniversary of charlottesville. Everyone remembers what the president said about charlottesville and what he didnt say which he didnt forcefully condemn it and he hasnt forcefully used his bully pulpit to condemn racism in our country. Sunday theres going to be a protest of White Supremacists right near the white house and hes said nothing about it. So hes judging about how professional athletes decide to protest but he says nothing about how kkk members or White Supremacists decide to protest. Thats an absence of the kind of leadership that were used to seeing from people who were
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