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In wisconsin and michigan he needs to win a second term. Even a few republicans are showing signs of discomfort with trumps attacks on cummings and zangs theirselves with trumps claim cummings is the real racist although mostly avoided criticizing trumps comments directly and we have seen no signs schemishness among his party or alarm of his aides has a chance to get through to the president. Several white house officials were uncertain who could intervene with him or if anyone would even dare try. Trump himself appears to be in denial of any potential political risks. Fake news does not report it properly. If the news reported it properly, the right way, like instead of Statement Like you just made, if the news reported it properly, of all of the things ive done for africanamericans like criminal Justice Reform and opportunity zones, i think id do very well with the africanamericans and i think im doing very well right now. The polls suggest the president has serious struggles on his hands when it comes to appealing to africanamericans. A brand new quinnipiac poll say 80 of black voters think the president is a racist. For democrats gearing up for the second primary debate beginning tonight, trumps growing vulnerability on race means an opportunity to mobilize key voters who could make or break the election for him. At the table, bazle spikal, and a reporter from the washington times, eli, let me start with you, this reporting coming from inside the white house from around trump circle, i think very interesting. The folks around trump sensing political danger with this attack he has taken on race. The president himself is immune to that message. Is that whats going on . Everybody who works in this white house understands you will not convince the president to do something he doesnt want to do. No point trying to persuade him to take a different tact. You have seen the white house trying to correct around the president. Hes not going to apologize, not going to back down andened to talk today about representative cummings and baltimore. You have seen a few efforts for the president to emphasize places he thinks, lines that will resonate nor strongly with africanamericans. Today, he was speaking in virginia, 400th anniversary of jamestown settlement and worked into that speech, prepared remarks, but several lines condemning slavery. And last week, a meeting with pastors and elected officials of other states. On the edges, to be able to show that the president to beat back at these allegations of racism by saying, no, look what the president just said about slavery because they know they wont get this president off this spot that comes to representative cummings and baltimore, in its fourth day . Does the white house get him to send these tweets out or what have you, or does that reflect any recognition on sense on the president s part there was more peril than when he was firing off the tweets. Reporter the people i talked to the president believes they will ultimately help him and enliven his base and wont hurt much with the voters who already oppose him and think theres moreorless a push. They dont want this to necessarily continue to metastasize, this racism charge. I think the president will sign off when people come to him and say, we should temper, he will say okay but not trying to bother to get him to come off the attack of representative cummings. Do you think President Trump is a racist, we showed you among africanamericans, the answer is overwhelmingly yes. Among all americans, a majority, 51 say, yes, they think the president of the United States is a racist. You can see breakdowns among white voters and we talk about the divide, College Educated and suburbanites and folks important to the takeover of the white house. The College Educated, yes, 5443 and 39 yes for noncollege white, 57 no. The president won noncollege 40ers by 46 points. Lopsided, theyre saying hes not racist. His victory margin is 20 points. It doesnt go to his benefit and in particular, attacks on khan and the access hollywood tape, those incidents put downward pressure on his polls and turned off people that werent inclined to vote republicans. He doesnt have a lot of people to tell him no. There is a universe of activists who support whatever the president says and say, the president is right. You have a lot of them that migrated to west baltimore, saying, this is a distressed community. There is a conservative urban allegation. The president isnt advancing it, nearly tweeting his wrath. Is there any way if there is a republican or conservative out there concerned where the president is going, is there any way to get through to him or is the only way that comes back to them through him, hey, i won in 2016 and everybody said i would lose and making every mistake in the world . There is. Collective action problem. Elected officials in federal government come together, critical majority, a mass, come out and say we disagree with the president. We dont agree with what he says here, hurting our social fabric and it does force the president to back off. When theres just one individual or two, they get the universe of a tweet and it comes down around their shoulders. Remember the khan family in 2016 and those individual episodes, go back in time it seems like Donald Trumps political world was collapsing playing out. You had a bunch in the 2016 campaign. His polls would take a hit and political obituary written and then fade into the collective memory and he ended up just barely winning on election day. Could that happen again here . Of course it could happen again. He wouldnt get the majority of the vote but our electoral system is configured in precisely this perverse way it is possible he could squeeze out another freak victory. Although i think its interesting after this election and calamity of election, there was nationwide rethinking, what have we missed . There were a lot of people saying we have not properly gaged the economic despair in the heartland and economic angst si in the country. That is real. Trump believes he won because of racism. He believes he won because he was willing to say terrible things about immigrants and muslims and people of color and the archie bunker demographic responded to that. He believes that about his base. He believes far more than Hillary Clinton ever did, even when she used the word deplorables, its donald trump who truly believes his base is deplorable. I want to give you two charts. This is the turnout rate among black voters in four elections. You see the two elections democrats won, obama, the turnout rate spiked, 65, 27 . Fell in 2004, kerry narrowly loses and clinton narrowly loses. Barack obama running did do a touch better of kerry and clinton, 82 the 90s. Kerry and clinton into the high 80s. Very high support for obama and very high turnout, democrats were able to win those elections. When you look at what trumps doing, the logical thing is that will fire up black voters and get them to turn out in 2008 and 2012. What michelle is pointing out, is this really different than what donald trump was doing in 2016, when the black turnout rate was 59. 5 . Will it make a difference next time around . He is conflating economic nationalism and ethnic nationalism. There are some who dont think hes racism, since the community is monolithic. There are many that doesnt like the immigration reform. Weve been here a long time. Where is the support for our concerns. I know trumps team says its not impulse, strategy. The impulse is strategy. When hes lashing out at elijah cummings, hes saying i dont care about support from the cities because i get the support from rural america. Instead of just doubling down on his base he can dip into coalitions and rip apart some of that, including africanamerican. I dont think it works at the end because i believe what comes out on the other side is a tremendous amount of support against him including those suburban voters who have gone with him initially and i think will come back to the democratic fold and flip counties in michigan and wisconsin, even though theyre doing better, some are looking a bit more because they feel the tone and tenor of this president is not where they want to go and for other counties, actually losing population and still losing jobs. There is a sense what trump is doing may have worked in 2016, but a slippery slope in 2020 and may not win the end of the day. We always talk about the combined margin error is 75,000 votes in wisconsin and michigan. Let me bring it back to you. The whole talk is, is it strategize or impulse, is describing a white house apparatus, as noah was saying, a Republican Party apparatus, forced to take out its phones every morning and see if he tweeted something new and whatever direction he decided to go in and come wake up a coherent grand purpose explanation for it. Is that really the dynamic going on right now . Yeah. Youre describing reverse engineering with this administration and congress. The white house officials that will say this isnt strike, theyre saying theyve had no role in crafting a strategy because the president doesnt consider a whole lot of folks sometimes when he acts. He sometimes starts something as he did here, seeing a segment on television and having already had an itch to scratch going after cummings given the oversight subpoenas the last month or so and he saw the segment on television and started tweeting and not a lot of conversation with staff. There has been policy of this and strategy and which way to go. Generally, this is a president who acts on instinct and asked people what they think, the end of the day, when he feels something emotionally, he will react from it accordingly. We have seen that from the start and the entire republican infrastructure, campaign and rnc, they are all taking their cues from this president and finding to come up with ways to buttress his message on the backside. Michelle. I want to say quickly, what eli said before, i dont know if you heard me try to suppress a laugh. Think what a degraded state this country is in when his aides say, no, he cant be racist, he opposes slavery. Thats the best they can do to make an affirmative argument for this president having any concern for minorities in this country. It is such a farce. We all sit around here and talk about it in terms of strategy and in terms of the election. That is important but i think it is important to acknowledge what a National Catastrophe it is to have this ranting lunatic who holds so many of the people and so many of the cities that he purports to lead, in kind of complete contempt. Even worse, there are a lot of voters that will listen to that and say, my god, hes right, hes the next best thing since lincoln and we have to find a way to manage that and run against it. Its scary. The bar has been lowered so much our president can get up there and say, you know what, slavery was bad and you should thank me for that. Where this will end in 2020, we talk about trumps base and does this resonate and fire them up. There was a significant number of voters in 2016, significant and crucial, he wouldnt be president without them, said to our exit pollsters, we dont like him and dont think hes confident but we dont like his opponent either and they voted for him. These are not all people responding to his message. The reluctant trump voters, whats the line for them . Thank you. When we come back, now or never for many candidates on that debate stage tonight who need their breakout moment to stay alive. Get it or will we be saying goodbye to them soon. A preview and questions about qualifications and partisanship, the next pick for National Intelligence, John Radcliffe already phasing a challenge from his own party and an impeachment inquiry already getting louder and some say its already been done. Just ahead. Ready been done just ahead because he uses polident 4 in 1 cleaning system to kill 99. 99 of odor causing bacteria. Polident. Clean. Fresh. And confident. Of odor causing bacteria. Here, hello starts with hi mple. How can i help . A data plan for everyone. Everyone . Everyone. Lets send to everyone [ camera clicking ] wifi up there . Ahhh. Sure, why not . Howd he get out . a camera might figure it out. That was easy glad i could help. At xfinity, were here to make life simple. Easy. Awesome. So come ask, shop, discover at your xfinity store today. Here we go. It is the second round of the democratic debate that starts tonight in the motor city. An especially important night for some candidates on the outer edges, it could be do or die. You have mary ann williamson, Pete Buttigieg and the heavy hitters, Bernie Sanders, beto orourke and John Hickenlooper and making his debut tonight, Steve Bullock. In double digits, warren and sanders, talk about how they will handle being up there tonight and shadow cast by the frontrunner not on the stage tonight, joe biden. He will be there tomorrow night and will anyone try to bring him into it. Garrett, we see the scene being set up behind you there. Let me ask you about Elizabeth Warren somebody last time around sort of on her own when it comes to top candidates in the polling, not on the stage with biden and not on the stage with harris and sanders. Again, biden not there tonight. Did warren and her campaign, do they like that she hasnt been up there with biden yet and gives her a chance to build her own identity or do they want a shot at that . Theyre a slow build. You cant win the mantle of this race and progressive alternative to biden at this point. Each sanders and warrens campaign acknowledge the other will be in this a long time, ideologically aligned. Not a lot of tries to swing at each other. The strategy is stay in your lane, defend your policy, introduce yourself and not make any unforced errors. Thats been a hallmark of the Warren Campaign so far. Once she got past the ancestry claim she has not had a bad news cycle in terms of an unforced error or through her campaign. If they can keep that streak alive tonight there will be more opportunity in the field. A smaller field. Warren and sanders, theres a sense theyre in each others way, similar message, neighbors, rather. There are differences between the coalitions right now. Actually think, in rooms like this, people tend to see them interchangeable or going for the same demographic. Their voters are different people and different second choice. Its not as if most warren voters put sanders as second choice and viceversa. A lot of second voters have biden as second choice and warren voters have harris as second choice. Her voters tend to be more College Educated, more super attuned to politics and the news. They dont really gain very much by knocking each other out. Right . Its not as if bernie were to drop out tomorrow, not as if his voters would automatically gravitate to harris. I would be surprised to see them going at each other. There is an argument warren in this steady rise has done more damage to buttigieg stuck there in single digits. He has similar demographic appeal. In terms of the democratic race right now, they have biden out in front by about 20 points. This breakdown by race among white voters, biden in place comfortably. Look at that. Among africanamerican voters, 1 out of 4 votes next year will come from black voters in the democratic primaries. Joe biden is lapping the field a couple of times. Long history with the party africanamericans have had and his relationship with barack obama. I think that starts to fade over time as the field win nos a bit. The truth is, there are a lot of africanamerican voters that say, you know what, im willing to forgive some of his past policies as long as he seems contrite and explains it away. A lot has to do with the other candidates. A lot of africanamerican voters, young ones that dont necessarily trust Kamala Harris and her prosecutorial background, its important, some of it may be misguided but i understand where that comes from. Theres healthy distrust of Bernie Sanders because his campaign hasnt necessarily been particularly diverse and a question about warrens electability. I dont know how true that is in the long run. Some of the same issues Elizabeth Warren has bernie has. Biden is one they know and that carries a tremendous lot. The other is the criteria to get into these debates will change after this, when we come back in the fall for new debates. Polling thresholds will be raised. Looks modest on paper and looks like it could knock out half the field in terms of qualifying. A lot of candidates tonight have to stand out and get noticed. Looks like beto orourke is bringing guests to the debate, several black men who kneeled to the national anthem. I guess cnn is going to air the national anthem. Im seeing speculation, will candidates kneel to get attention. What will candidates down at zero or 1 , do they have any stunts . Reporter i dont know about stunts. I standard beto orourke if he will kneel and they laughed at me that that is too big of a risk for them but it brought him to the National Stage defending the right of athletes to kneel during the senate campaign. That could reprice the issue of what they liked about him in the first place. Beyond the four at the ecenter f the stage tonight, only four have qualified for september. Everyone else has to make a name. Amy klobuchar, a sitting u. S. Senator just reelected has to be frustrated by her position in this race might try to make some moves. What does Steve Bullock does . How does he not just become the montana guy that replaced Eric Swalwell and how does he not identify himself in this group and makes an argument against medicare for all that has driven the debate tonight and tomorrow night. He has really only this one shot having not been on our debate stage a month ago. Those are two of the ones i see who have both the need to really differentiate themselves and political dexterity to do so. Look at John Hickenlooper who struggled as well but in part because of his own ability to make those tight political arguments when the moment calls for. I dont know if he has that extra gear tonight. The montana guy who replaced eric. We talk about lanes all the time. That has to be one. Theres an interesting dynamic and four or five registering in the polls people are talking about and the other 20 and throwing in. Tom, who may not

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