Transcripts For MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews 20140509

MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews May 9, 2014 23:00:00

This country being denied medicaid expansion. My mother raised me to stand up and i wont sit down for anybody. This is politics nation growing hope. Where we refuse to have despair. Were growing home from georgia. Politics nation with al sharpton. Hardball starts rite now. The shame game. Lets play hardball. The accusations now from fox to limbaugh to all corners of the planet hate is that the secretary of state is guilty of letting the 200 girls be taken in nigeria. Thats right. He said those that grabbed the girls would not have done so if Hillary Clinton had named him to the foreign terrorist list. Guess what . Hillary clinton did name that guy to the terrorist list. Also two of his top commanders. She did it two years ago after their group attacked and killed 23 United Nations workers in nigeria. The sick fact here is that everything that goes wrong in the world that causes horror is now going to be counted by the hate hillary crowd on this countrys recent top diplomat. Whether its here in an ungoverned torn libya. She was on watch and should have kept it from happening. This is an absurdly unfair statement. It suggests a world class dereliction on clintons park wherever anything went wrong anywhere. Has any democrat done this to w or cheney or any of that bunch . Said every time we faced the hell of an ambush in iraq or a roadside attack it hung on the soldiers of the countrys top officers . I must have missed it. By the lethal standards of the hate hillary crowd, the one being road tested with nigerini the attack on new york and washington in september of 2001, the fact that no one saw that one coming should have led to the president , the Vice President and the rest of this countrys security officialdom to be hung up in chains. With us now is howard fineman. It seems like every day brings, as it does if you read a quality newspaper, bad news somewhere in the world. Something happens. Crap happens. And now, the automatic machine says hillary did it. They should check a coup of facts. While the organization wasnt named, the three top leaders were. And that was decided upon after a very nuanced Decision Making how to go after this group. And not to make every u. S. Owned facility an easy fat target for this group to go after. Your thoughts . I think this is just the beginning of what the right is going to attempt to do to hillary. Theyre going to back time and replay backwards every event in the world today and look for the connection. Is this six connections of kevin bacon . Yes. When she was secretary of state. When youre secretary of state, you deal by definition in grays. You deal in nuance. Thats why her book is called hard choices. But when youre trying to explain the detail of a policy, while you were reluctant to allow fullon Nigerian Army and nigerian regime bh which committed atrocities. When you try to explain the nuance and the grays of your time as secretary of state when youre up against the accusatory culture that she is now in, its going to be difficult. Its easy compared to explaining or trying to defend everything theyre going to throw at her from her time at state. You know what i think fuels this . Not so much information. Information is scant, even the people who say benghazi all day long dont have a lot of information to give you. The fuel is the anger. Yes. The free floating anger the at obama and now being gradually shifted to her. Its so ferocious it will power any attack. Steve duecy or rush limb bauer or laura i thingraham, it now s to have weight. Hate has weight. If you Say Something about them, it now somehow seems vaguely material. We seen it since barack obama became the front runner 2008, the hatred that has propelled conservatives and republicans to do everything in their power to go after him. Theyre going to do it against Hillary Clinton because simply right now she is frontrunner on the democratic side in 2016. Its unfortunate, though, because it gives us a chance to really sit down as a nation and really think about what should our foreign policies been and how has the u. S. Dealt with africa as a continent, the big picture. Wednesday reporting in the daily beast Hillarys State Department refused to brand boko haram as terrorists. She was even charged with hypocrisy. Here it is. Now word is because we did not place them on the terrorist list of officially known terrorist groups its going to be harder to go after them. And who made sure they were not placed on the terror list . Hillary clinton. For Hillary Clinton now over the last couple of days to talk about how bad they are, given the fact that she could have done something a couple of years ago and did not. And the fact that her Big Initiative last week was to help women and girls, theres a little hypocrisy going on. Rush limbaugh went further, also blaming the president for not personally overriding the state departments decision on boko haram. Why just blame hillary . Certainly obama could have overrule perd d her. I just think this is pathetic. We have 300 nigerian girls kidnapped by an al qaeda group. Now were on a big push to get them back. An al qaeda group. He snuck that one in. And ingraham cited a previous attack on young boys and asked why the administration was so slow off the mark. This past february, the group burned 59 young boys to death in northeastern nigeria. No loud calls to intervene then. But now suddenly political elites want u. S. Action. Where was that powerful drum beat for justice against those who slaughtered american citizens in benghazi. The concept, first of all, he did name all three of the top leaders to the terror list two years ago when theyre saying when did he do it. This idea that were responsible for every acre of property on the planet and if something goes wrong, we should be there. Thats not a conservative argument. Thats not what they believe, is it . We should be involved in the internal politics of a country they once had a president who ran for president and got elected on the idea that we were not into nationwide bilding. Do you remember that . That was george w. Bush. I just think that its dem demonolo demonology. There are jilegitimate question you can ask about hillarys tenure as secretary of state. But as you pointed out, they begin at the end. They begin with the demonization by definition, she has to have something extremely wrong. The president has to have done something extremely wrong and they will work their way backwards to that, to whatever facts ultimately they think might prove the case. Even throwing stuff out that turns out to be wrong 24 hours later. That they never even apologized for. Theyre just going to move forward in that fashion. Its a psychological thing, chris. They take comfort in their own fears. Its a form of political cocooning and its going to go on with this and any other issue they can come up with. As long as hillary is around. Are we going to have a select committee on nigeria now . When did the Republican Party take a keen interest in africa. I was going to say. It was very nice to see all these conservatives beating the battle drum for justice for people who look like me. Truth is, bush administration, Obama Administration has been ignoring the fact that we have islamist extremists creeping up all over africa and its time, rather than put the blame on Hillary Clinton or barack obama or quite frankly george bush, its time we sit down and think are we really so tired about talking about america post 9 11, and are we really so war weary after iraq, afghanistan, iran and all the other conflicts in libya and elsewhere that we are willing to continue to ignore countries like africa. Continents like africa. Nigeria is the most populous, important country to the United States. Wednesday night, just to prove this was all about exploitation and opportunism. Newt gingrich who never misses a chance, congressman should hold hearings on why the state department refused to tell the truth about boko haram in nigeria. And the Homeland Security committee, peter king of new york and Patrick Meehan of new york asked john kerry asking him to explain decisions made. Fair enough. This thing about Newt Gingrich youve got to wonder. This is just a proof of opportunity. By the way, the reason newt is tweeting is because hes not on the air. Hes not using the old crossfire he doesnt have a bully pulp pulpit. Up there with donald trump now its shameful politics and i would be remiss if i didnt mention the fact that Hillary Clinton back in beijing jeers ago was one of the first leaders to say womens rights are human rights. Were talk act the abduction of just slightly under 300 young girls in nigeria and were playing politics with the lives of young women. Thats sick on both sides of the aisle. The womens issue is one very important part of the equation. The other not so sub sub text here is religion. Its faith. There was an attack in a Catholic Church in nigeria. Where boko haram killed people. Because theyre kooth licks. And what the connective tissue here is for the people attacking hillary and barack obama is that somehow theyre soft on islamists. They dont say nit quite those words, but thats what theyre because obama is a muslim. There you go. For anyone who doesnt really understand that youre making a joke, we should really say that he is not a muslim. People who normally watch fox. Im translating for the clowns in the clown car. Thats what this is really about. This is as much about religion as it is about gender. And thats the connection between hillary and barack obama that theyre somehow swirning on this thing. Theyre on the other side. In these words, they throw out its all about trying to demonize, i think, is so smart. I will argue that the fuel again, as i said a few moments ago, the fuel of every one of the attacks is not information. Because there is no real information about it. Theres a murkiness about some of these things, like benghazi. It is murkiness what happened that night. But they use that open vacuum of murkiness and fill it with hatred. And hatred says we hate them so much they must be guilty. And thats it. And while theyre doing it, we dont know whats happening to these young women in nigeria. Im hopeful weve got s. E. A. L. S, guys with more guts than they can imagine. Theyre going to go into the jungle and find them were the best at that. Lets hope the courageous people who fight for this country are going to do the job here if they get a chance. The republican obsession over benghazi, eight investigations apparently werent enough. Theyve chosen the members of the latest committee to investigate this supposed scandal. The democrats havent picked anyone. Plus, how desperate are republicans about 2016 . They still cant find someone who hid that center right sweet spot in a far right party. Surprising there. And how do you choose sides in a race between birther ted yoho and his republican challenger jake rush. I love these names. Who spends his spare time playing a vampire. Just ask Stephen Colbert. 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Any wooi, the group is a mix of establishment and tea party republicans. But the fact is after eight investigations so far, more than a dozen hearings and thousands of pages of documents, is this really a search for the truth or a clown show. Here is nancy pelosi today. The fact is this is a political stunt. Issa is damaged goods. They had to move from him to another venue with another chairman. Thats what this is. Weve been here, done this, over and over again. And so the question is, is there at least a level of decency in terms of respect . A level of decency, dont count it, madam chairman. The democrats have to to decide if theyre boycott the committee or provide their own members. Charles krauthammer wrote today, all that matters is the committee produces new important facts. I agree with him on that, by the way. Why do you guys disagree . Here we are friday night. Who thinks with me, im tilt the scale here. Who thinks with me and Elijah Cummings its better to show up, catch them in the contact of buffoonery, call them on their crap or that it is to stand in the sunlight. I think they should participate but play this game under protest. Elijah cummings has shown with darrell issa, he got the better of him again and again. They will be putting out every little memo they can find with any sentence or phrase. And i think its good for the democrats to know this. I think the event, the hearings have already been so politici politicized, the republicans are starting in a bad position. Were doing this under protest. We think this is a circuit. I say boycott. The recent history shows the party that mucks up in washington doesnt really pay a price for mucking up the process in washington. They did in 98. They got confused by these questions. Cummings was a good foil to issa on that committee. The democrats can stand right in the hall way outside the hearing room. Ready access for reporters, ready to counterpunch. Michael dukakidukakis, be thd defend an attack. Never hide from it and take it. Oh, the people will never fall for this bs. I think Hillary Clinton, by the way, i know shes not running, but shes suffering right now from not having a war room. A bunch of guys like carville and those guys that pound back, throw it right back. Anyw anyway, heres Charles Krauthammer assuming a sort of referees role here. He says gowdy needs to keep the hearings clean and strictly fact oriented. Questions only. No speech fiing. These hearings are a big Political Risk for the republicans. They stand to benefit from the major issues. Obamacare. The economy, chronic unemployment. From which benghazi hearings can only distract. Worse, if botched like previous hearings on the matter, these hearings could backfire against the gop. As did the 1998 clinton impeachment proceedings. So far, theres no evidence the republicans are taking charles advice. My fair fear is theyll come out with Something Like a memo and say guess what . We got this incredible memo but its nothing. I think this is about two things. Background nose. Some taint of scandal. The other thing is they want to set up a situation where at the end of the day, theyre not going to get any real scandal here. I think on both fronts, having a democrat in the room on both fronts will make that even harder to pull off. Can Hillary Clinton avoid this . I dont know. I think she would have to come if a skmit tee of Congress Asked her to come in. Henry waxman subpoenaed condee rice in 2007. Heldry would have to go. The idea of selfpolicing isnt working anymore in politics. Here he is, basically defending the use of the killing of those four diplomats overseas on watch for us. Their killing is now vary game to raise money with and here he is saying so. Heres mitt romney, the gentleman, talking here. I think what

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