Transcripts For MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews 20140516

MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews May 16, 2014 23:00:00

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The rt good evening. Im Chris Matthews in washington. Why did rove do it . Possibly the partisan equivalent of a terror attack. Getting the other side so shook off it moves off its game plan. Did rove do that, get the clintons ton a fight a year ahead of schedule . Did that get bill and hillary out in the streets clamoring, out there looking like the veteran roe partners they intend to be, but way, way ahead of their 2016 schedule . Did rove succeed in setting up the Health Matter just before her book tour to get every tv, radio and reporter to drop the Health Question wherever the book tour takes her. And finally, did karl rove southerly encourage jeb bush to get into the race by show how ready operatives like him are to do the job on hillary, just like they did the job on michael dukakis back in 1988. And after all the blowback, could it be that karl rove doesnt mind at all being hated all the more by the left for running alongside the Clinton Campaign bus lobbing stink bombs in the window as long as it makes him more highly prized on the right, especially by the big money people. David corn is the Washington Bureau chief for mother jones and is an msnbc political analyst. And the special correspondent the daily beast. All opinions are relevant because i have been trying to project where this takes us. Its been the week of the attack on hillarys health, whatever that is. Has it worked, or even hurt her . Whats it all about . Rove is going to be around and shes going to be around and bill clinton is going to be around. This talking point is not going anywhere. I dont know if this was strategically intended for this particular week, but week by week hes been doing this for a while. Week by week, the clintons are more and more in the news, particularly hillary, as we get up to the big book release, happening next month. So you see more and more folks on the right as you get closer to 2016 trying to take shots at hillary. Now, i think what rove wants to do here, he doesnt want to win the case. You know, he actually made a mistake by talking about brain damage and going too far and having to qua zi apologize. He said brain injury, would that have been smarter . I think it would have. He wants to create background noise so this question linger, hovers. People have to ask her. Weve seen this so many times. They did it to dukakis with the psychiatrist. Its not at all unexpected. And its going to continue to come up. And actually, though, in one way or the other, she will have to address this the way that john mccain and Ronald Reagan did. They did it more with rumor, but this is an issue. Lets go where we were six months ago. Hillary clinton comes off a pretty sterling performance as secretary of state. Worked hard, went millions of miles. Became first name basis with these world leaders. Shes up here as an icon, not a politician. Is she still an icon . It drags her back down into the political theyre dragging me back in again. Every time i get out. A little bit like that. But thats inevitable. If she runs shes going to become a political figure again. Its may 2014. Shes expected to announce in 2015 . Early 2015, maybe. Weve got to talk about it. Its going to standard happening and it has happened. When rove walks into a crowd, not like this little crowd, but somebody on the pretty far right money people, is he well received now. Is he seen as a guy who, okay a little dirty . But he gets the job done. The group that he started, american crossroads had a big problem. They didnt win the races they were in last time. I know from talking to people on the right that his group did not do the internal autopsy that convinced people that they knew what to do next time. But that said, all karl rove needs is one or two texas billionaires, thats always been his goto gang, to fund whatever he wants to do snex next. So theyre still out there. Hell rope them in and they will appreciate this attack. Who else is a riding, roping cowboy like this guy. This is lee atwater stuff. 103 million lost on every single race. Is there a fee in this . He places these ads. Does he get 7 . Of course he does. But he lost every single race. The husband of outed cia officer valley plame has his own history with rove. Wilson took rove to task for engaging in his old dirty tricks. In the long run, wilson says they will backfire. Africanamericans, gays, women have long since fled the Republican Party as poll after poll have shown. But rove is still practicing his old treks by attacking Hillary Clinton, he seems to do short term damage, but what about the longterm damage hes done and is doing to his own party . By 2016, rove will have succeeded in alienating millions of more through his revolting tactics. My question to you, the question of mike is this i thought that hillary had almost reached the point of untouchability and that wasnt going to last. But this guy is now is he going to pay the price . And who cares. Are the republicans going to pay the price for his behavior . The republicans are going to pay the price. I dont think this resonates outside of the echo chamber. The echo chamber is a,rah, rah, rah. But with others its going to produce a little sympathy for Hillary Clinton, if anything. But still, the republicans may not learn their lesson this time around. And Hillary Clinton is a great candidate in a lot of ways but also a candidate with problems and she is beatable by the right republican. She point out for the nirs time, i think it was her piece that we now know the rollout plan for the clin tons, the book tour. Get a lot of positive ink about her role as secretary of state. Really focusing on those four years. Then apparently shes going to play a major role in the fall like dmix son did in 56. Pick out the clinton favorites. Peck out those ones, they win, she gets the record as well as bill with being in the winners. She did this in 1998 and 2000. Schumer in new york. And others. She had a great record. A great won loss record in 1998 and that helped her be a much more impressive senatorial candidate in 2000. I dependent know until this thing happened. You know why this is important, she hasnt campaigned in a long time. Micks is always evolving, its always different. The role she is played as secretary of state is it giving nice speeches where everybody cheers . Or letting people ask you questions. It its both. Its having a message and a vision. Its going elsewhere and its doing it you know what, ill book it doing it not just once a week, its doing it every day over and over again. So she needs to get back up. Thats always been my concern about any politician that leaves the field for eight years. Youre not into the zeitgeist. Every time you try a speech in the old days, nice try. Thats why she goes out this fall. The conservative attack on Hillary Clinton, Charles Krauthammer insisted that Hillary Clintons popularity is vastly overstated. Lets watch charles. I think the democrats gross ly jor estimate how popular hillary is. She may be popular with them, but they assume she hasnt been out in the field. She hasnt been challenged in debate. Shes a non shes not an officer holder right now. So shes not subject to slips. You go back over her record and you have somebody asking very simple correct and tough questions, number one, name a single achievement in your four years as secretary of state. If you need more clues, the right sees hillary as a threat, look at Reince Pribus twitter account. Tweeted about hillary no fewer than five times in the last 24 hours. Her failures at the state department are evident. Also the hard choices led to bad decisions and bad outcomes. Plus, heres another tweet. Where Hillary Clinton goes, the donor scandals will follow. And the state Department Says Hillary Clinton could have acted on boka haram sooner. Should she be trusted with hard choices . Thats the title of her upcoming memoir. Charles krauthammer what is he up to . Hes taking the benghazi cool aid. 66 ceiling. I have never seen a ceiling this is the point you made earlier. As secretary of state in that cabinet of rivals, team of rivals, her popularity just really went very high. Now the question is, as she gets back into partisan politics, which a lot of americans tend not like, is she going to come down a bit . She will. The question is, how far . By the way, youre not answering the right question. Youre a smart guy, but youre not answering it. Charles didnt say shell end up being unpopular. He says shes unpopular now and thats not true. Look at the number, charles, look at the polls. Shes ahead of everybody 10, 12, 14 points. Thats been done to no effect when she ran for president. Legislatuors dont usually do something. This morning, Hillary Clinton showed up on the view to bid farewell to Barbara Walters. The former secretary of state had advice for the entirery news i dont think we say newswoman, but its on script here. How about correspondent. Here we go. First of all, take some time off. I mean, really youre in no position to tell me. Thats what ive been doing. Take some time. You have a wealth of friends who adore you. Spend time for them. Take a real vacation. I go out with my dogs. My husband and i take long walks. Just let down and enjoy. For a week at least. As long as youre here, let me ask you a question. The question i want to ask is are you going to run, but well, i am running around the park. That appearance did not hurt the former first lady. No. Thats what shes got to do more of. Politicians dont usually get to do that before they run. They usually do that if they lose. Do we have time . Quick. It makes me think about something. Democrats always win women, but republicans win white women. Watch that if shes the candidate. You may not be the last person to say that. White women will vote for hillary. Coming up, i dont think they ale get together on it. You would think the tea partiers would have a good shot of winning the sflat and pushing it to the right, but it turns out they have a problem with the likely concerted republican winners. To too liberal by their standar standards. Also, do you remember this by the republican Gubernatorial Debate, not just the establishment candidates, but the fringier ones as well. Hey Diddle Diddle right up the middle. Thats my style. You have your choice, folks. A cowboy, a curmudgeon, a biker or a normal guy. Take your pick, thank you very much. Normal wasnt good in that case. That was harley, harley brown. And how could we help but invite him on to hardball. Hes going to join us later in person. Plus, speaking of people on the fringe, right wing socalled patriot groups promise 10 million to 30 million of them would deaccepted scend on the w right. About ten people more or less did show up. Finally what we can expect now that the starters gun has gone off way ahead of schedule in the president ial race. This is hardball. Nineteen years ago, we thought, wow, how is there no way to tell the good from the bad . So we gave people the power of the review. And now angies list is revolutionizing local service again. You can easily buy and Schedule Services from toprated providers. Conveniently stay up to date on progress. And effortlessly turn your photos into finished projects with our snapfix app. Visit angieslist. 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Again, the Washington Post reports today that a number of conservative leaders are gearing up for a fight with republicans who they fear will betray them once they get into office, especially when it comes to fiscal issues like the budget or social issues like immigration. They fear elegislature the republican, even if they succeed in retaining control of the house and winning the Senate Majority would cast aside the core conservative base. At a recent meeting, conservative leaders drafted their demands that included things like married moms and bads are best at raising kids. Support for antiabortion legislation and a balanced budget amendment. At that pleating, c imeeting te crowd, yay, our team is winning, but we win when we stand for principle and we lose when we give in to washingtons status quo. On activist summed it up and said conservatives ought not to delude themselves. If republicans win it will somehow be a conservative majority. We have the experts here. The author of dont hurt people and dont take their stuff a libertarian manifesto. And a National Political reporter with the Washington Post. Thats your report. And i guess, what is it that you believe the hard right is worried about the center right doing if they get control. I was at ritz kacarlton hote and they were skiddish that should republicans take the senate theres going to be movement on Immigration Reform, theres not going to be a lot of attention paid to social issues and theres not going to be a bold conservative agenda like cruz would like to see and mike lee would like to see. There was a fear that republican establishment is ascending and the tea party, popular with the base just doesnt have the power it wants to have. Whats the fear . Whats your fear . Im actually more optimistic about it. I think were defining the agenda. Youre seeing even someone like thom tilus, hes come in our direction. Hes run on that issue. Weve reset the table. I think you have. You made that point, too. What was once called well, theres no more jake javitz. That wing of the party. No more arlen specters around. Those republicans you called rinos are gone. There. A difference in temperament, style and strategy. Not ideology. I think you guys, i think the reason there is a tea party is a very legitimate concern that the government is wasting money. Theyre spending money on things people cant it doesnt make sense to regular working people. Regular working people have to balance their books. Why cant the dan government do it. I get that. Theres also this sort of maybe ethnic, maybe just nationalistic attitude about illegal immigration. I think they will go crazy if Speaker Boehner cuts a deal that basically offers some route to legal status legally. Doesnt that bother you . I think it would be a huge mistake to pass dick durbins bill and thats the mistake marco rubio made. I think the problem is we cant work with harry reid, we cant work with barack obama. Frankly we dont trus them. Dont trust them to enforce the law after they get them . No, i dont trust them to negotiate an honest bill. What do you suspect that they would do to undermine the effect of this Immigration Reform . Everybody knows what its about, especially in the southwestern part of the United States. Everybody knows what its about. Too many immigrants, too fast, whatever. Ethnic differences are obviously part of it. But heres the question, what are you afraid of . What deal are you afraid of . Im afraid they wont fix the problem. The problem has to be, if you want people that want to come here honestly and work and follow the rules, you should fix prospectively the opportunity to do that. The senate bill doesnt do that. It focuses on who controls politically the people who came here illegally. The problem is if the house wrote the best immigration b

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