Keep repeating. Too often weve seen a political culture of some officers who believe they are above the law, they can do whatever they want to do, thats wrong. Whether someone wearing a blue uniform or blue jeans, everyone must be under the law, and all must respect that. Thanks for watching. Im al sharpton, hardball starts right now. A kinder, gentler gop . Lets play hardball. Good evening, im steve kor kornacki in for chris matthews. Senator rand paul talked about poverty during his speech to the National Urban league this morning. The poverty problem its not new, and its not going away easily, black unemployment still twice, white unemployment. I dont accuse the president of not caring, i think he does care, thats why we have to talk about policies, its just about caring, there are people in both parties who care, we have to come up with a policy that does better. Hes certainly not alone. The Washington Post reporting today, the last time republicans began running for president , there was a race to be the most confrontational, the most unbending. Mitt romney said he was severely conservative, he got caught mocking the 47 . Perry called the Federal Reserve treasonous. What a difference a disastrous election. Two years and terrible polling make. 2012 was a contest to be the toughe toughest. Its likely to include a competition to appear the most
compassionate. Jeb bush talked about the need for compassion. Dealing with the unaccompanied children at the border. Marco rubio talked about single parents. And paul ryan unveiled an antipoverty plan that maybe surprisingly didnt call for gutting antipoverty programs. The plan would consolidate funds for those programs at the federal level and give grants to states. Low income individuals would work with case managers to design programs to get them out of poverty. Ryan talked about the need for judges to have more discretion and sentencing nonviolent offenders. The problem is, chuck, our safety net isnt working the way it ought to be, we have all these Government Programs with all these rules and regulations that are stove pipes. That dont make a lot of sense. If the status quo would be working, i would be supporting it, its not. Is this the return of compassionate conservatism, or is it an elaborate bait and switch as many progressives suspect. Robert costa is a National Political reporter for the Washington Post. Ill start with flattering you. I admit we are the reason we talk about the 47 right now. You guys put that tape behind the 2012 election, are you in their heads . Is it right now republicans looking ahead to 2016 and saying, i dont want to be the guy caught on tape saying anything like that . I dont think anyone wants to be caught on tape like that ever again. Im not buying this as a trend story. I think overall the tea party base is going to be the main force driving the gop nomination, in 2016, theyre not looking for kinder, gentler poverty programs. They started breaking this stuff down. Rand paul and paul ryan both come from this libertarian
perspective, where theyve been critical of social programs, and believe theres a libertarian way of dealing this, a way that hasnt worked in real life, and they havent put their real policies behind that. Paul ryan came out yesterday talking about caseworkers for everybody whos in the social safety net. Well, you know what, if you did that, you would have to spend 30 billion. And so this is the arthur of the austerity budget. Thats just to pay the caseworkers. Paul ryan pushes congress and his republican comrades to expand government. What is it yeah, but what is the appetite . You say compassionate conservatism, you think back to the 1990s, to republicans who lost a bill, who cares more about the middle class, who cares more about Health Care Like that. Thats where george w. Bush and compassion and conservatism came
from. Is there a disconnect where the paul ryans see this and see the general election, but the base isnt there . I think the base ahead of the midterm elections is certainly not there. Theyre not clamoring for some kind of poverty agenda on the republican side. Even when you have ryan out there, and marco rubio and rand paul giving these speeches in urban airs. Rah are they on the minimum wage. Theyre not talking about indexing minimum wage on inflation. When it comes to policy, they know they can only go so far with this conservative base. They want to repeal obama care, which is giving insurance to 20 more americans, most of them on the low end of the scale. Theyre not doing anything on immigration. Marco rubio is running from immigration. Its a limited, were not talking Bobby Kennedy here, its a limited way of trying to change their thats one of the differences too. Republicans killed health care
reform were going to do Something Better with george w. Bush. Paul ryan cuts food stamps by 137 billion. He doesnt cut food stamps at all. Chuck todd asked him about that this morning. Your poverty plan numberswise conflicts with your budget plan. You call for some cuts and cernanty pov irt programs. Youre not calling for that here, youre calling for the expansion of the earned income tax credit. Which proposal is the one does this mean you would change your Budget Proposal to reflect your new poverty plan . I didnt want to get into a debate over the funding levels of the status quo. We could keep doing that over and over again, i want to talk about how to reform the status quo. This program could occur under any funding level. He was talking about this a minute ago, i mean, this is a departure from the paul ryan we
know who is sort of nothing is more important to him than budget deficits, austerity, bringing down the budget deficit as quickly as possible. Paul ryan is a complicated spokesman, giving these upbeat speeches about giving an agenda. He was on the romney ticket, on that 47 campaign. Is he the perfect spokesman for this new movement . Im not so sure. Ryan told it to chuck todd. Hes not attacking his poverty recommendations to his own budget. He knows House Republicans dont want to back him. The numbers dont add up. He was trying to cut food stamps, now hes talking about, not changing laws, but changing the way the program works. To do a lot of the things he says needs to be done on the poverty programs would cost more money, not less. It is messaging, he wants he obviouslien watts toen sad out somewhat different from the tea party republicans, while still having this hawkish budget reputation. At some point the rubber hits the road, hes caught between the two. Where did this appetite in the Republican Party for being budget hawks, come from. The sort of appetite for austerity. It occurred to me it as a response. The tea party came up in response to barack obama, thats true. But it also came up in response to george w. Bush. He grew the government too much, the deficit got out of control, we as republicans need to purify ourselves. Youre basically telling the tea party, thats right, thats the reason you exist. I was the athe capitol today. They told me that it was not just about having some kind of
contract with the austerity message. They see Elizabeth Warren on the left. And theyre scared, not really ahead of 2014, but ahead of 2016, can they combat that populous rise on the left. Can they have some kind of response . Jeb bush said unaccompanied children coming across the border over the last several months should be sent home. The former governor emphasized the need for dealing with them compassionately. There is a reason and a need for compassion. These children are trying to escape horrific danger in their countries, but the ease with which so many of them are entering our country is a crisis. The tone was is somewhat different from congressman mo brooks of alabama. This president has caused the problem by enticing children into america by waiving in front
of them the prospect of amnesty. This president has promised them all sorts of free goddys like free clothes, food, health care, transportation, entertainment. Until that stops, you cant anticipate people wont try to break into america because america is going to be their sugar daddy. David, it seems thats the problem, from the standpoint of a republican who wants to bring compassion back, what mo brooks did there is so easy, and it speaks right to the base. What jeb bush has to do is couch everything. Nothing concentrates the mind like a hanging. In politics, nothing concentrates the mind like a president ial primary. All this prepositioning thats going on right now, jeb bush trying to look tough but sound compassionate, all that stuff is going to get filtered and vetted
and really ground down when you get to the president ial primary. If he tries to be compassionate about immigration, ted cruz or somebody else running. We saw that with rick perry . Well make these either or issues, you wont be able to strat el the line. Paul ryan will not be able to strat el the line between someone who wants to improve resources and someone who wants to cut the budget. All this stuff is going to push to one side. Were seeing is this what we are seeing here, the republican establishment is waking up thinking ahead to 2016 and saying, i dont want our nominee dragged to the right on that. Its going to come back to haunt us in the fall. Like it did with romney, maybe even worse. You asked the great question, who is paul ryan speaking to when he speaks about move ert . I think theyre speaking to the political class, the republican financial establishment, the people who Fund President ial campaigns, they want to hear a new message on poverty and
income inequality, not necessarily the conservative base. Ahead of the race, as they position themselves, this appeals to those kind of donors who want to hear a fresh message. If the base is in revolt, all the money in the world it wont matter, eventually they will have to play to the base, and the base doesnt move, it doesnt change, theyen cat grow the base as we like to say in politics. It could be a populous type candidat candidate. Someones going to take that. Hes getting off the message theres always a chance in the republican side, no one ever really grabs for it. Thank you. David korn. Coming up no Border Crossing needed. There are strong feelings on both sides of this issue, well hear from them in a moment. Impeachment fever, 57 of republicans say its time to kick the president out of
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under 21. It also suggested offering entry on emergency humanitarian grounds. The humanitarian parole to some of the applicants who did not qualify for Refugee Status. The news comes on the same day president obama and Vice President biden sat down with the leaders of el salvador and guatemala. He opposes the plan. Kevin applebee is the director of migration policy. And he supports it. So ill start with you. The case for doing this pretty simply here is we have thousands of children. Tens of thousands of children crossing the border and causing a crisis. Why not go there and try to address the problem there . Its illegal immigration is what were seeing here, parents, family members in the United States paying smugglers to bring their kids here, thats what it is. This is not a refugee flow, its a regular immigration flow. The most striking thing about
these kids crossing the border, they are turning themselves in right away. They know theyre going to be allowed to stay. The government gives them a paper and delivers them free of charge to their relatives. This would be the government taking over the smuggling process. Instead of the smugglers getting them to the rio grande, the federal government would take over the whole smuggling process straight from honduras to the front doorstep. Kevin, you respond to what you just heard. Thats a little silly. The plan will take the smugglers out of the process. If you go to the source and give these kids their chance to express their fear, and bring them to the u. S. , you can take them to other countries. You take away that market from the smugglers, they wont have kids to take up to the north. Its an innovative idea. In vietnam it was done successfully, it was done in
cuba. Its a humanitarian way to do it. What about the ones that get turned down. Theyre going to do it anyway. This will have no effect on the flow of the people coming into the United States. The ones that were turned down will just come anyway. Theyll be entered into the system, theyll be appealing for ever and also stay here. The children who are here right now, were talking about potentially putting a Pilot Program in place that would take place over a twoyear period. It does raise the question of what happens with them. I think we should honor the law thats in place, the domestic law, the house unanimously voted for in 2009 and we should honor their due process, we can do it within the system. We have to resource the system, court cases take years for the kids to get to the court. Not all of them will get to stay. 40 at most will get to stay and the others are going to be sent back. At least we honor the law and
international obligations by doing that. The president made clear there were a few cases where Refugee Status would be granted by the u. S. Under u. S. Law, we admit a certain number of refugees all around the world, based on fairly narrow criteria. And typically Refugee Status is not granted just based on economic need or because a family lives in a bad neighborhood or poverty, its typically defined fairly narrowly, we have a state, for example, that was targeting a political activist, and they need to get out of the country for fear of prosecution, or even death. In the United States, in order to be considered a refugee legally, the person must demonstrate that they were persecuted or fear persecution
due to race, nationality or membership in a political social group. Some experts say its that last category, social groups might apply here. They say potentially, the children could count as a social group. Other experts disagree. So mark, that gets to the idea here that this is fairly stringent. I guess we can talk about the interpretation. Fairly stringent criteria, a lot of these kids wont qualify. Why wouldnt you think they would be sent home when they go through the process. Two thirds of the supposedly unaccompanied minors have been okayed right away. And more of them will be okay later. The majority of them who are coming illegally across the border are already getting political asylum, which is the same type of thing as a Refugee Status. This is not a narrowly defined stringent program, the final category you describe, membership in a particular social group is one of these loopholes that judges have used and lawyers have used to define
expansively almost anybody they want. Ill tell you right now, and im willing to take a lunch bet right now, if they do this a very large, shockingly large share of the people applying for Refugee Status, if they do it in honduras, if they get it will be brought to the United States. Its a slippery slope here . I d