Transcripts For MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews 20140910

In 2001, president george w. Bush vowed to go after the terrorist whos attacked us on 9 11. Only the president obama will lay out his vision to the country for defeating isis. The nation will be watching. Thanks for watching. Im al sharpton. I will see you back here starting at 8 00 p. M. Eastern for msnbcs special coverage of the president s speech. First, hardball starts right now. Fight night. This is hardball. Good evening, ill Chris Matthews in washington overlooking the u. S. Capitol. Only the the president must make an impossible argument. That we can protect ourselves in this country at home or entanglement abroad and still defeat our new enemy, isis, isil, the islamic state. Were still having a hard time agreeing on what to call it but a much harder time agreeing how to confront it. My first guest is bill mahr. He joins us on this big night when the president addresses the American People and because of the beheading of two american journalists, it is a time when people have a focus on this group that has taken over much of iraq and syria. People want to go after them in air power but not on the ground with troops. When has a war like that ever been 1 . How is it possible if we refuse to go all out and destroy it . And what kind of a war is it that we focus most of our debate on the ways we refuse to fight it. As i am, i just spoke with bill mahr. The president of the United States is speaking to the American People tonight. What should he say . What do they want to hear him say . I think they want to hear him say what ted cruz said the other day. Im going to take them out. They dont think things through, the american public. They just feel scared right now. Im not sure why. Im not scared of isis. I know theyre a bad group but i dont think theyll come and behead me. They saw two grisly videos and i guess they think that will happen to them next. That kind of tough talk seem to be what the American People want. They dont want to think it through, what actions should we take to back up the talk . I heard Chris Christie talking about vladimir putin. And he seemed befuddled by the question, what was going on there in ukraine but he said Something Like, if i was president , he wonderful have tried that with me. Why . Because youre fat . What does that mean . He wonderful have tried it with you . Are you saying you would have threatened him with nuclear war . Obama has made this point himself often. That the republicans seem to want more out of him but when he says what . Should we send boots on the ground . No, not xagtly that. Im doing it. Talk more like john wayne is what they want. More like arnold schwarzenegger. Talk more like reagan. We win, they lose. Yeah. But the problem is, the American People were looking at the polling, and it shows as you said, the peel want to get rid of isis. No casualties at home. No homeland casualties. They dont want any casualties in the field. Any troops in the field but they want to beat them. It reminlds me very much of the same view they have of economics. They want to solve the budget deficit but not by either raising taxes or cutting spending or any of the programs they like. They want magic them want to elect someone who can perform magic. And unfortunately, that person is not on the ballot. The president speaks at 9 00. Will he build up the heat toward the enemy or bring it down . If he brings up the heat and says these are real bad guys. They beheaded our people. We have to get them. He has to follow up. Do you know he will lower the temperature and say theres a bad group. Theyre in another part of the world. Theyre not that dangerous. Theyre not an existential threat. Do you think he will do that . Absolutely. As a number of other issues like gay marriage, joe biden has forced him to up the anty. Already. Very. I didnt know you were bilingual but yes. Well follow them to the gates of hell. Really . Do we really need to make a bogey man out of everybody . I get it that isis is bad but theyre not that different than other villains. I read in the new york time, they said there were thousands of these groms in the world. You can put hamas perhaps in that category. This is a problem well be dealing with the rest our lives, and everybodys lives and the lives of their children. It is so easy to bait americans. It is horrible that they killed two journalists. When you think about, it is the fact that most americans, Something Like 94 of americans are aware of that. They saw that or heard about it. The biggest news event in five years. So it seemed to be, we just lurch from one emotional response to the next. That is not a way to conduct Foreign Policy. Whatever obama says tonight, what makes me feel assured is that he is a calm guy. He doesnt do things rashly. He may throw them a little red meat but i dont think he will do anything that a president should not do in this situation. Lets talk about what hes probably going to do based on the leaks already. He will do something on air power. Something in terms of air strikes, drone strikes, i suppose, against isis in syria as well as iraq. When it come to defeating isis, the iraqis dont want anybody else in the country but them. They dont want our Ground Troops back in. Syria doesnt want us in there. You cant count on the jordanians to bring an army in. Is saudis will spend some money on this. Who will defeat isis . Thats what we should do. Make them defeat isis. We should do the same thing with ukraine. Make the europeans get involved. Make people take care of their own neighborhoods. The only way is to stand back and let them do it. Exactly. Take the training wheels off. Thats an alternative. Stand back and let them deal with it regionally. Exactly. We should be the last resort. Not the first resort. Were like helicopter, hovering over everybody. Let them work it out for. They. Do you think theyll stop beheading our people if we do that . They said theyre beheading our people because we attack them by air. Isis said that. Thats what they say. Does it matter why they do it . If they continue to do it, can a president of the United States stand back and let it happen . Yes. Absolutely a president can stand back and let it happen. Just the way reagan, who they are all pining for, where is he now, when the Marine Barracks were blown up in beirut, george bush stood in the rubble and said we will not be bugged by terrorists. Then we bugged out. So thanks a lot. But politically they were will to say lets go back. In i was on the other side working for the opposition and we never said go back. In we thought it was crazy to go in in the first place. We cant organize our Foreign Policy based on what they say and do. Thats something they are pretty good on. Lets talk about ted cruz. Weve been tough on him on our show. He is on the hard right. He reminds me of joe mccarthy. He has the hot hand Republican Party. If they like a guy like him, what does that tell that you b the politics of this country . Bomb them into the stone age. That kind of talk. We know what the politics of the country is. Especially in the Republican Party and the people had a are most ferry vanity and do the most voting. We have an election coming out. Who comes out the most . It is those people. Ted is the worst. He is not stupid. I dont think he believes half of what he says. There stupid enough . Is this really stupid enough . I want to get this im thinking about the guy had a goes to yale hoyle. Pat robertson once in a while says something smart like we should legalize pot. Ive never heard ted cruz say anything smart. What do you think of him . He is an antiwar republican. Not so much in the last couple days. He really bothered me. I was at him. Like as somebody who i actually might consider to vote for as a republican. Isnt he antiwar in his heart . The other day, Hillary Clinton said something i thought was very smart. That global warming, we got more bad news as we do every week but this was really shocking about carbon in the atmosphere. She said this is the biggest shia that we should be afraid of. I agree, i am much more afraid of ice as in melting than i am about isis. And rand paul said exactly what dick cheney said. Why is the president talking about Climate Change when we have this terrorist group. Thats just a terrible reordered of priorities. Hillary clinton was rate about that. She won me back. Thats why i dont like people like glenn beck because they laugh at it. They think it is a joke. Well be right back. I want to talk about whats going to happen a little further down road to ray rice case and some other matters. Were going to have chuck todd joining us and Richard Engel. He is over there in iraq and you know other 18 robinson. An oven heats up a community la cocina, a small kitchen that kickstarts the careers of 41 entrepreneurs. They bring the talent. We help fund the tools. Its a small way we help thats been huge for the community. Little by little we can do a lot. Because. Small is huge. Visit www. Wellsfargo. Com to see how big small can be. I am so noh my gosh. Now, its not even funny. Driver 1 you ready . Yeah go [sfx] roaring altima engine woah ahhhha we told people they were riding nissans most advanced altima race car. We lied. About the race car part. Altima, with 270 horsepower and active understeer control. How did you . What i dont even, im speechless. Innovation that excites. At the top of this hour, stick with msnbc. Rachel maddow and i are joined by chris hayes and Andrea Mitchell as we all gear up for president obamas speech at 9 00 eastern. What would happen. If energy could come from anything . Or if power could go anywhere . Or if light could seek out the dark . What would happen if that happens . Anything. Thlook what i got. P. Oh my froot loops [sniffs] lets do this . Get up get up get up get up loop me bring back the awesome. Yeah yeah yeah with the great taste of Kelloggs Froot loops. Follow your nose everyone is looking for ways while to cut expenses. S unique, and thats where pg es Online Business Energy Checkup tool can really help. You can use it to track your Actual Energy use. Find rebates that make equipment upgrades more affordable. Even develop a Customized Energy plan for your company. Think of it as a way to take more control over your operating costs. And yet another Energy Saving opportunity from pg e. Find new ways to save energy and money with pg es Business Energy checkup. So often president obama responds to crises by announcing all things that he will not do and here again we can only hope that pattern ends tonight. Our president must understand, we are at war. And that we must do what it takes for as long it is a takes to win. That was dick cheney today doing the same thing he does time and time again. His dr. Strangelove number. Cheney was giving the same advice he always does. Escalate. No matter what the crisis is, his answer is escalating. Were back with bill maher. Cheney keeps acting like he is the new kid on the block. He is the guy that put our troops on the streets of mecca. He is the guy that debaathicized. He took us into iraq. Now he acts like this whole messing up of the middle east, all this fragmentation and craziness he had nothing to do with. It reminds me of what he said about benghazi. It was on the anniversary of 9 11 and he said obama let that ham. We were always on our guard on the anniversary of 9 11. There wouldnt have been an anniversary if you hadnt if obama had been president , would the American People lost 3,000 lives in new york city, would he have been blamed by the right . Of course. Constantly. They would never stop talking about it. He would have lost new york. Right . Right. That would be the catch phrase. He lost new york. Why is politics so asymmetric . Why is it the right is so much tougher that the left these days . Not the. The left wasnt tough before. It is in their dna, i think. Look at polling. Democrats are afraid of polls. Republicans arent afraid of polls. Republicans make polls. Democrats run from polls. If something is polling at 43 Approval Rating, democrats go, oh, better not touch that. Republicans go 43 . You mean we only to have fool another 8 of the people . Piece of cake. Well meet in our evil lair. Well get our evil to english dictionary. Well all spread out on the talk shows with every exact same talking point and well have it done in two weeks. No problem. The public option was polling at Something Like 70 approval before they got ahold of it. 70 . Piece of cake. Well get it to below 50 by the fall and they did. What do you think about the idea of Cheney College back and all these people coming back . That were behind the war in iraq which is enormously unpop lampl this is where the polling is a little off beat. If you have people that say iraq was a mistake. This whole neo con thing. Well bring down iraq and afghanistan and libya. Actually lost just a minute also went down. And somehow that will create democracy. And it will be better for israel and better for us. It never was. And how come they come back now as the experts . Because they have the advantage of working in a country where the people are not very well informed. They certainly dont know history. They are not interested in Foreign Affairs very much unless it comes right to their doorstep. They all think about, we learn history through war as we learn geography. Crimea, did they know what that place was in they thought it was an artificial sweetener until three months ago. I read in the paper today, a republican congressman. I cant remember who it was, he said about iraq. Well, obama in office six years now. We cant blame bush and klann for that anymore. This goes back to the seventh century. One is this debate over ray rice. The running back for the baltimore ravens. And it looks like they didnt quite get to this thing in time. The nfl looks like theyre now waking up to the video which were told in the Associated Press report late today, somebody claim that they gave that to an executive at the nfl back in april. And they didnt want to look at it. They averted their glance from it. They looked at it and said were not bringing that into evidence. That could be extra. I dont know if well find out. I dont know if it is the most important part of this. It reminds me of the ferguson situation, the Police Brutality of sometimes things happen in this country that shed a light on a problem that has been going on for years, decades, centuries, and suddenly he shall is all over it. The bright side is good. Were finally looking at i. And i guess were looking at this now. Pictures. If you didnt have the picture. The picture. Right. That mental everything. The same thing with the cop situation programs. For some reason choking that guy, seeing that, something clicked in people about something that has been going on for a very long time. I think a point that needs to be made is that he did not go to jail and he should have. Its a private business, i guess, the National Football league. Suppose he had slugged a guy in an elevator like that. Isnt that assault and battery . Sth absolutely. You should go to jail and then when you get out, youve paid your time. If he was in the industry industry and he slugged his wife and he went to jail. We dont usually send people to jail. Why . Because theyre full of nonviolent drug offenders so full they have no place for a guy like ray rice but they should. He should go to jail. And when he gets out, he should have a clean slate. This idea that everybody has to pay in perpetuity. Some crime, yes, obviously murder you go to jail forever. Or give you the chair. But it is a horrible thing did he and he should pay a horrible price clg going to jail for a couple years. When he gets out, new life. Thats very christian of you. Exactly. It really is. Were through. This you paid your debt to society. It is great having you on. You converted me back. If i could. Great to see you. Some very good values within your heathen soul. Thank you very much. Bill maher returns this friday with back to back live shows from here in washington at 9 00 eastern. Realtime premiers and then a live standup special from the warner theater here in d. C. Up next, president obamas speech on the war with isis. Just over 90 minutes from now. Well be joined on this program by nbcs Richard Engel, on the ground in iraq. Plus chuck todd. The moderator of meet the press on the president s big opportunity to get thing organized. And also, the Washington Post. Eugene robinson who met with the president. Tigers, both of you. Tigers . Dont be modest. I see how youve been investing. Setting long term goals. Diversifying. Dip you got our attention. We did . Of course. Youre type e well, i have been researching retirement strategies. Well thats what type e s do. Welcome home. Taking control of your retirement . E trade gives you the tools and resources to get it right. Are you type e . Has a new easytoswallow coating. So the nutrients for your eyes, heart and brain go down easier. For a limited time, get your fourdollar coupon at centrum. Com. Dad hes our broker. He helps looks after all our money. Kid do you pay him . Dad of course. Kid how much . Dad i dont know exactly. Kid what if youre not happy . 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He joins us on this big night when the president addresses the American People<\/a> and because of the beheading of two american journalists, it is a time when people have a focus on this group that has taken over much of iraq and syria. People want to go after them in air power but not on the ground with troops. When has a war like that ever been 1 . How is it possible if we refuse to go all out and destroy it . And what kind of a war is it that we focus most of our debate on the ways we refuse to fight it. As i am, i just spoke with bill mahr. The president of the United States<\/a> is speaking to the American People<\/a> tonight. What should he say . What do they want to hear him say . I think they want to hear him\rsay what ted cruz said the other day. Im going to take them out. They dont think things through, the american public. They just feel scared right now. Im not sure why. Im not scared of isis. I know theyre a bad group but i dont think theyll come and behead me. They saw two grisly videos and i guess they think that will happen to them next. That kind of tough talk seem to be what the American People<\/a> want. They dont want to think it through, what actions should we take to back up the talk . I heard Chris Christie<\/a> talking about vladimir putin. And he seemed befuddled by the question, what was going on there in ukraine but he said Something Like<\/a>, if i was president , he wonderful have tried that with me. Why . Because youre fat . What does that mean . He wonderful have tried it with you . Are you saying you would have threatened him with nuclear war . Obama has made this point himself often. That the republicans seem to want more out of him but when he says what . Should we send boots on the ground . No, not xagtly that. Im doing it. Talk more like john wayne is what they want. More like arnold schwarzenegger. Talk more like reagan. We win, they lose. Yeah. But the problem is, the American People<\/a> were looking at the polling, and it shows as you said, the peel want to get rid of isis. No casualties at home. No homeland casualties. They dont want any casualties in the field. Any troops in the field but they want to beat them. It reminlds me very much of the same view they have of economics. They want to solve the budget deficit but not by either raising taxes or cutting spending or any of the programs they like. They want magic them want to elect someone who can perform magic. And unfortunately, that person is not on the ballot. The president speaks at 9 00. Will he build up the heat toward the enemy or bring it down . If he brings up the heat and says these are real bad guys. They beheaded our people. We have to get them. He has to follow up. Do you know he will lower the temperature and say theres a\rbad group. Theyre in another part of the world. Theyre not that dangerous. Theyre not an existential threat. Do you think he will do that . Absolutely. As a number of other issues like gay marriage, joe biden has forced him to up the anty. Already. Very. I didnt know you were bilingual but yes. Well follow them to the gates of hell. Really . Do we really need to make a bogey man out of everybody . I get it that isis is bad but theyre not that different than other villains. I read in the new york time, they said there were thousands of these groms in the world. You can put hamas perhaps in that category. This is a problem well be dealing with the rest our lives, and everybodys lives and the lives of their children. It is so easy to bait americans. It is horrible that they killed\rtwo journalists. When you think about, it is the fact that most americans, Something Like<\/a> 94 of americans are aware of that. They saw that or heard about it. The biggest news event in five years. So it seemed to be, we just lurch from one emotional response to the next. That is not a way to conduct Foreign Policy<\/a>. Whatever obama says tonight, what makes me feel assured is that he is a calm guy. He doesnt do things rashly. He may throw them a little red meat but i dont think he will do anything that a president should not do in this situation. Lets talk about what hes probably going to do based on the leaks already. He will do something on air power. Something in terms of air strikes, drone strikes, i suppose, against isis in syria as well as iraq. When it come to defeating isis, the iraqis dont want anybody else in the country but them. They dont want our Ground Troops<\/a> back in. Syria doesnt want us in there. You cant count on the jordanians to bring an army in. Is saudis will spend some money on this. Who will defeat isis . Thats what we should do. Make them defeat isis. We should do the same thing with ukraine. Make the europeans get involved. Make people take care of their own neighborhoods. The only way is to stand back and let them do it. Exactly. Take the training wheels off. Thats an alternative. Stand back and let them deal with it regionally. Exactly. We should be the last resort. Not the first resort. Were like helicopter, hovering over everybody. Let them work it out for. They. Do you think theyll stop beheading our people if we do that . They said theyre beheading our people because we attack them by air. Isis said that. Thats what they say. Does it matter why they do it . If they continue to do it, can a president of the United States<\/a> stand back and let it happen . Yes. Absolutely a president can stand back and let it happen. Just the way reagan, who they are all pining for, where is he now, when the Marine Barracks<\/a> were blown up in beirut, george bush stood in the rubble and said we will not be bugged by terrorists. Then we bugged out. So thanks a lot. But politically they were will to say lets go back. In i was on the other side working for the opposition and we never said go back. In we thought it was crazy to go in in the first place. We cant organize our Foreign Policy<\/a> based on what they say and do. Thats something they are pretty good on. Lets talk about ted cruz. Weve been tough on him on our show. He is on the hard right. He reminds me of joe mccarthy. He has the hot hand Republican Party<\/a>. If they like a guy like him, what does that tell that you b the politics of this country . Bomb them into the stone age. That kind of talk. We know what the politics of the country is. Especially in the Republican Party<\/a> and the people had a are most ferry vanity and do the most voting. We have an election coming out. Who comes out the most . It is those people. Ted is the worst. He is not stupid. I dont think he believes half of what he says. There stupid enough . Is this really stupid enough . I want to get this im thinking about the guy had a goes to yale hoyle. Pat robertson once in a while says something smart like we should legalize pot. Ive never heard ted cruz say anything smart. What do you think of him . He is an antiwar republican. Not so much in the last couple days. He really bothered me. I was at him. Like as somebody who i actually might consider to vote for as a republican. Isnt he antiwar in his heart . The other day, Hillary Clinton<\/a> said something i thought was very smart. That global warming, we got more bad news as we do every week but this was really shocking about carbon in the atmosphere. She said this is the biggest shia that we should be afraid of. I agree, i am much more afraid of ice as in melting than i am about isis. And rand paul said exactly what dick cheney said. Why is the president talking about Climate Change<\/a> when we have this terrorist group. Thats just a terrible reordered of priorities. Hillary clinton was rate about that. She won me back. Thats why i dont like people like glenn beck because they laugh at it. They think it is a joke. Well be right back. I want to talk about whats going to happen a little further down road to ray rice case and some other matters. Were going to have chuck todd joining us and Richard Engel<\/a>. He is over there in iraq and you know other 18 robinson. An oven heats up a community la cocina, a small kitchen that kickstarts the careers of 41 entrepreneurs. They bring the talent. We help fund the tools. Its a small way we help thats been huge for the community. Little by little we can do a lot. Because. Small is huge. Visit www. Wellsfargo. Com to see how big small can be. I am so noh my gosh. Now, its not even funny. Driver 1 you ready . Yeah go [sfx] roaring altima engine woah ahhhha we told people they were riding nissans most advanced\raltima race car. We lied. About the race car part. Altima, with 270 horsepower and active understeer control. How did you . What i dont even, im speechless. Innovation that excites. At the top of this hour, stick with msnbc. Rachel maddow and i are joined by chris hayes and Andrea Mitchell<\/a> as we all gear up for president obamas speech at 9 00 eastern. What would happen. If energy could come from anything . Or if power could go anywhere . Or if light could seek out the dark . What would happen if that happens . Anything. Thlook what i got. P. Oh my froot loops [sniffs] lets do this . Get up get up get up get up loop me bring back the awesome. Yeah yeah yeah with the great taste of Kelloggs Froot<\/a> loops. Follow your nose everyone is looking for ways while to cut expenses. S unique, and thats where pg es Online Business<\/a> Energy Checkup<\/a> tool can really help. You can use it to track your Actual Energy<\/a> use. Find rebates that make equipment upgrades more affordable. Even develop a Customized Energy<\/a> plan for your company. Think of it as a way to take more control over your operating costs. And yet another Energy Saving<\/a> opportunity from pg e. Find new ways to save energy and money with pg es Business Energy<\/a> checkup. So often president obama responds to crises by announcing all things that he will not do and here again we can only hope that pattern ends tonight. Our president must understand, we are at war. And that we must do what it\rtakes for as long it is a takes to win. That was dick cheney today doing the same thing he does time and time again. His dr. Strangelove number. Cheney was giving the same advice he always does. Escalate. No matter what the crisis is, his answer is escalating. Were back with bill maher. Cheney keeps acting like he is the new kid on the block. He is the guy that put our troops on the streets of mecca. He is the guy that debaathicized. He took us into iraq. Now he acts like this whole messing up of the middle east, all this fragmentation and craziness he had nothing to do with. It reminds me of what he said about benghazi. It was on the anniversary of 9 11 and he said obama let that ham. We were always on our guard on the anniversary of 9 11. There wouldnt have been an anniversary if you hadnt if obama had been president , would the American People<\/a> lost\r3,000 lives in new york city, would he have been blamed by the right . Of course. Constantly. They would never stop talking about it. He would have lost new york. Right . Right. That would be the catch phrase. He lost new york. Why is politics so asymmetric . Why is it the right is so much tougher that the left these days . Not the. The left wasnt tough before. It is in their dna, i think. Look at polling. Democrats are afraid of polls. Republicans arent afraid of polls. Republicans make polls. Democrats run from polls. If something is polling at 43 Approval Rating<\/a>, democrats go, oh, better not touch that. Republicans go 43 . You mean we only to have fool another 8 of the people . Piece of cake. Well meet in our evil lair. Well get our evil to english dictionary. Well all spread out on the talk shows with every exact same talking point and well have it done in two weeks. No problem. The public option was polling at Something Like<\/a> 70 approval before they got ahold of it. 70 . Piece of cake. Well get it to below 50 by the fall and they did. What do you think about the idea of Cheney College<\/a> back and all these people coming back . That were behind the war in iraq which is enormously unpop lampl this is where the polling is a little off beat. If you have people that say iraq was a mistake. This whole neo con thing. Well bring down iraq and afghanistan and libya. Actually lost just a minute also went down. And somehow that will create democracy. And it will be better for israel and better for us. It never was. And how come they come back now as the experts . Because they have the advantage of working in a country where the people are not very well informed. They certainly dont know history. They are not interested in Foreign Affairs<\/a> very much unless it comes right to their doorstep. They all think about, we learn\rhistory through war as we learn geography. Crimea, did they know what that place was in they thought it was an artificial sweetener until three months ago. I read in the paper today, a republican congressman. I cant remember who it was, he said about iraq. Well, obama in office six years now. We cant blame bush and klann for that anymore. This goes back to the seventh century. One is this debate over ray rice. The running back for the baltimore ravens. And it looks like they didnt quite get to this thing in time. The nfl looks like theyre now waking up to the video which were told in the Associated Press<\/a> report late today, somebody claim that they gave that to an executive at the nfl back in april. And they didnt want to look at it. They averted their glance from it. They looked at it and said were not bringing that into evidence. That could be extra. I dont know if well find out. I dont know if it is the most important part of this. It reminds me of the ferguson situation, the Police Brutality<\/a> of sometimes things happen in this country that shed a light on a problem that has been going on for years, decades, centuries, and suddenly he shall is all over it. The bright side is good. Were finally looking at i. And i guess were looking at this now. Pictures. If you didnt have the picture. The picture. Right. That mental everything. The same thing with the cop situation programs. For some reason choking that guy, seeing that, something clicked in people about something that has been going on for a very long time. I think a point that needs to be made is that he did not go to jail and he should have. Its a private business, i guess, the National Football<\/a> league. Suppose he had slugged a guy in an elevator like that. Isnt that assault and battery . Sth absolutely. You should go to jail and then when you get out, youve paid\ryour time. If he was in the industry industry and he slugged his wife and he went to jail. We dont usually send people to jail. Why . Because theyre full of nonviolent drug offenders so full they have no place for a guy like ray rice but they should. He should go to jail. And when he gets out, he should have a clean slate. This idea that everybody has to pay in perpetuity. Some crime, yes, obviously murder you go to jail forever. Or give you the chair. But it is a horrible thing did he and he should pay a horrible price clg going to jail for a couple years. When he gets out, new life. Thats very christian of you. Exactly. It really is. Were through. This you paid your debt to society. It is great having you on. You converted me back. If i could. Great to see you. Some very good values within your heathen soul. Thank you very much. Bill maher returns this friday with back to back live shows from here in washington at 9 00\reastern. Realtime premiers and then a live standup special from the warner theater here in d. C. Up next, president obamas speech on the war with isis. Just over 90 minutes from now. Well be joined on this program by nbcs Richard Engel<\/a>, on the ground in iraq. Plus chuck todd. The moderator of meet the press on the president s big opportunity to get thing organized. And also, the Washington Post<\/a>. Eugene robinson who met with the president. Tigers, both of you. Tigers . Dont be modest. 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In his press conference in baghdad, secretary kerry again began to express that neither American Forces<\/a> nor those of regional allies will be directly combatting isis in iraq, that is, he said unless something dramatic hams. Let me emphasize, iraq has not asked for American Forces<\/a> on the ground. Nor other forces, and iraq doesnt want those other forces here. We understand that. In addition, the president of the United States<\/a> and other leaders of other countries have eliminated the notion of their forces being engaged in direct\rcombat unless obviously something very, very dramatic changed. Thats the way it is today and thats the way it is going to be. Joining me now from the city of erbil, chief kornl for nbc news. Despite the talk, well hear about a Broad Coalition<\/a> of that fight. Were the only soldiers in that battle and were doing it by air. Reporter there is a big difference between a coalition that offers finances, that offers media support, moral support. I think were going to get that. And were already starting to see that. When you turn on Arabic Television<\/a> over just the last couple weeks, there are more programs denouncing isis, some islamic leaders are coming out describing them as barbarians who have nothing to do with islam, and that helps to dry up the pool of recruits, to draw up the extremist and could not\rfront isiss message. But in the actual battle, the u. S. Doesnt have any Real Partners<\/a> except for where i am right now. Im in kurdistan. In kurdistan there are kurdish fighters. They are old u. S. Allies. The best allies that american troops had during the last war in iraq. And the u. S. Works very closely with them. We saw them, we saw that in person. American air strikes will come. They will destroy isis targets. Theyll kill isis militants and over that debris and over the bodies, Kurdish Forces<\/a> will move in. The problem is the iraqi army which is supposed to be doing the same kind of thing collapsed and needs to be rebuilt. And now is very closely tied to iran and shiite groups. And in syria, there are absolutely no groups. The president talks about these partnered forces on the ground that will be doing the fighting, taking the fight to isis while the u. S. Drops bombs from the\rsky. Those moderate rebels, those Ground Forces<\/a> in syria simply dont exist right now. So when we do bomb an area in syria, where we believe isis is deployed. Perhaps we can stop them from doing certain things. Who would come in and exploit that situation and grab control of the territory, perhaps capture or kill the isis people that have been damaged by the air attack. By our air attack. Well, the most likely group that would come in and take over those territories would be the army of bashar al assad. They want to regain control of the entire country and it has been making advances and then its advances were stopped by isis. So if isis is degraded, we could see very likely the counter offensive being launched to take advantage of that vacuum being created by the United States<\/a>, by\rbashar al assad. So we bomb assads enemy, isis. And by the way, very much helped to create. And then assad could end up walking away with the trophy and walking away with his country back. What a strange war. Jordan doesnt cross its border into syria. Iraq doesnt really go out into the sunni areas and take down isis. We dont go in on the ground. But the head of the hated government of syria does move in. What a Strange Development<\/a> this will be for a war front. Thank you very much for your great information and reporting there. Richard engel who is in erbil, iraq. When we return, president obamas challenge is to explain how he will confront isis. A war without Ground Troops<\/a>. 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And the cling where joan rivers was treated prior to her death is defending its safety record, saying it far exceeds the national average. Now we take you back to hardball. Welcome back to hardball. The you had a yenls from the president s prime time speech carried live on all the broadcast networks and cable news channels may represent as in, the biggest you had a yenls president obama will address between now and the edge of his presidency. Those are certainly high stakes. With his job Approval Rating<\/a> down at 40 , an all time low for him, and his job rating on Foreign Policy<\/a> just 32 , president obama has a lot on the line tonight. Joining me now is chuck todd. Moderator of meet the press, and Eugene Robinson<\/a> from the Washington Post<\/a> and an msnbc political analyst. It seems the American People<\/a> want something almost impossible to imagine. They want a war against isis that destroys it. Of course, they dont want any casualties at home, nor do they want any troops involve over there fighting them. This is going can he continue to allow the American People<\/a> to believe they can have a costfree victory . He is going to try to do that tonight. Thats what he is going to try to do. To essentially, he wants to give the public what theyre asking for. This is an odd moment. Usually a president has to rally the country to sort of convince them that a military campaign is necessary in a moment like this. Instead, the public is already there, as weve seen in some of this polling. The questions that i have about all of these operations that theyre planning, i dont think he is going to address. Which is, how do you know when it is over . When it is over, then what happens to syria . How exactly does this training operation work . Thats going to take place, perhaps in saudi arabia. Not even as you pointed out, not even in this, these sort of, what might become ungoverned parts of syria. And how do we not repeat this cycle . Which is the al qaeda example is what he is going to hold up as a success story. Okay. Theyve degraded al qaeda. Now we have a new threat. How do you know when you degrade isis, when that vacuum appears, that there wont be another group that shows up. He think he has a public that isnt demanding those answers. He has a public that is absolutely fearing what happened to those american journalists and saw those beheadings and things. Okay, we have to do something. I agree completely with chuck on the quandary. We went into saudi arabia planting tens of thousands for a decade leading up to 9 11 to get Saddam Hussein<\/a> but we created something over there that became al qaeda. Then we went into iraq the second time and got rid of the sunnis will we debaathicized them. Then we find ourselves with isis. We bomb isis, we end up with beheadings. There will always know a reaction to what we say. How does the president edge the series of actions and reaction\rif he can . How does he do it . Good question. You know, i was at an offtherecord briefing at the white house today, since it was off the record, i cant say who it was. Specifically what was said. I did come away with a much better understanding of how the president and the white house see this situation. And i think he does something to accomplish in this speech tonight. Letting the American People<\/a> know the white house sees this as a commitment. And it is not. This isnt wham, bam, thank you, maam. This isnt just shock and awe. It is a commitment to eventually destroy isil or isis to not have what some commentators call a jihadistan in the middle of the middle east. Which the white house sees as intolerable and something that\rhas to be moved against. This is fraught with fraught, as an old editor of mine used to say. The possibilities of how this can go wrong are already endless. And frankly the white house cant see around all the corners. Let me go to the most immediate way to judge the situation. If we continue our air strikes, in fact, escalate them over syria and iraq, cant we expect more beheadings, chuck . Well, thats possible. Of course thats going to be, theres some fear of retribution. You have some people fearing that right now, the administration says, you know, isil aspires to potential the west but heres to say you dont have a lone wolf. We know there are westerners in there. Be it in europe or the United States<\/a>. I think that fear always sits there. But look. Two of our closest allies, jordan and saudi arabia do see\rthis as an existential threat to them. And obviously, if those two, if this seeps into those two countries, it is understandable the National Security<\/a> decision the president is making. You cannot allow this to happen and see jordan threaten, you know, it is chaotic enough there. If this seeps over the border into jordan, it puts israel in danger, a lot of things in danger. But again, how do you get out of this . How do you stop . Thats what i dont quite understand. He is not going to apparently put an end date tonight. So how do you know when it is over . How do you get out of syria . If we bomb the heck out of that country, are we responsible for helping to rebuild it . And who have whose country is it . The question you raised there, the question is jordan and saudi arabia. From what were hearing about this speech, they wont get involved in the fighting against\rsyria. Theyre offering to protect their border in the case of jordan and to send some money in this campaign from saudi. Which is typical, paying for their problems. Again, it is an american war. Well be the ones flying the sorties over syria and iraq for weeks and perhaps months. Programs years. And all that killing which will end up killing innocent people, hospitals will get hit, schools will get hit, kids will get hit. And eventually, were the bad guys again. We the United States<\/a>, looks like the aggressor killing arabs on International Television<\/a> again and were right back where we were in iraq in terms of the look. Thing. The reality, not just the look. I think thats absolutely right. And i think this is seen at the white house as yes, it will look this way to a lot of people. And yes, this is not a situation that anybody wanted to be in. I think my understanding is that specific roles of some of the\rallies, frankly, i think theres a lot less of the coalition that meets the im specific roles may come out later. It is my understanding. I think chuck asked one of the really central questions which is syria. Once you get involved in the syrian conflict, how on earth do you get out . How do you avoid any u. S. Action in syria essentially handing the country back to assad, is it deemed necessary to basically do that even for a short term, for the greater good or not . It is a mess. And its going to get messier. Chuck, Richard Engel<\/a> was just in from er bimpb l over there. He said the likely outcome of blowing up, perhaps deployments of isis forces there. The people who will pick up the\rpieces in h estimation will be the government of assad. It wont be the Free Syrian Army<\/a> of it will be assad that goes in and grabs that land that weve just blown apart. Thats the most likely. I understand yes says that. Assad has an army. They would be a i believe to get troop theres to secure territory, for instance, that he has lost to isis. Part of the plan that the president will lay out will involve trying to train this moderate syrian opposition. But is it going to be big enough . If the United States<\/a> is taking on this cause of training, that has slippery slope written all over it. Then we are for trying to prop syria back up. And it becomes, how does it not become a similar situation. You broke it, you bought i. Thanks so much. That was Colin Powells<\/a> view. Up next, should president obama call congresss bluff and ask for a war resolution against isis . Say within a week, when it would matter. Will there be a vote in congress over this new war . Well get reaction when we come back. This is hardball. Place for politics. Protecting m. Thank you for being my hero and my dad. Military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa Auto Insurance<\/a> could be one of them. If youre a current or former military member or their family, get an Auto Insurance<\/a> quote and see why 92 of our members plan to stay for life. We know were not the center of your life, but well do our best to help you connect to what is. Lets look at a couple of nooft senate polls out today. Lets check the hardball scoreboard. First in michigan where u. S. 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Will they foot the bill for a prolonged American Intervention<\/a> . Nbc news learn today that white house is that you aring hard for the house to authorize at least the training and earl of Syrian Rebels<\/a> as part of the upcoming vote to fund the government. Any way as part of the ongoing continuing resolution. And today Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> on the house side announced they will delay the vote for the continuing resolution which was schedule for tomorrow so the republicans can consider the president s request to pay for\rit. Franklin roosevelt asked for a declaration for japan the day after pearl harbor was snake the Congress Held<\/a> a vote within minutes of his famous speech. What will congress do after the president s speech tonight . First to you. Buyin. Why doesnt the Congress Just<\/a> belly up. Go up there and vote for a war. Explain that . Why doesnt the president want them to . At this point, buyin is basically anything short of complete rejection and public condemnation. I was talking to sources on the hill who essentially said this vote is extremely up likely. The only people asking for it are people not up for reelection is. Mitch mcconnell is. He is but thats because he knows that it puts Senate Democrats<\/a> in a really tough position. If you think of how this mid material is shaping up, it is shaping up as a base election. How excited voters on the left and voters on the right are. Even if the president needs to reassure voters, they dont want to be on the record of saying i voted to go to war again. Theyre afraid the left wont show up. You know this guy, you cover him. I think he likes this. Nobody likes war but this makes him look like a heavy weather. This gives a chance to sell his gravitas, his experience, even his i know annal will. All politics is local. All politics is kentucky. No matter whats going on in the middle east he will has an ad up in kentucky showing all of the chaos in the world, leading off with isis chaos. Basically saying, im Mitch Mcconnell<\/a>, have the gravitas, have the experience. This young woman im running against doesnt. I think Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> is inviting the democrats and the senator, harry reid in particular. During which time every other republican will spend all their\rtime saying what president obama did not do last year. Did not do six months ago. They will stir the waters as much as they can for their own meadow elections. Lets talk about the centerleft, the progressives. Where are they . If they had a vote with people on the progressive left, with mcdermott, would Bernie Sanders<\/a> vote for war resolution or would they say no . Theyre in a tough position because a lot want to be seen as supporting the president. But on the other hand, if you listen to the way theyre framing this, theyre framing it as something to be concerned about because it could end up being a much longer, deeper commitment than we expected it to be. Thats sort of the flag theyre waving. Youre hearing Administration Officials<\/a> when they talk about it be very careful to emphasize that point. They say, yes, were going to potentially bomb syria, yes, were going to potentially make this ta new front in the war, but it is not 100,000 combat troops. Let me get back to crazy part of this whole night. The American People<\/a>, according\rto our polls at nbc and the wall street journal, weve all read them. We want to do something against isis. We want to make war. We dont want to have casualties, we dont want the homeland hurt, a war without casualties, without troops but it has to win. What kind of a war is that . First of all, i think in reality, virtually everybody up there on the hill not everybody but the preponderance of people on the hill and in the country agree on what should be done. We should have iraq be a real country. We should have a coalition with nato people and arab countries and muslim countries. We should carefully pinpoint bomb in iraq and syria and no troops on the ground. All of this arguing up here is a dumb show in that everybody really agrees they agree would that win a war . No. Thats the problem. What everybody agrees on is short of what were really facing if we look at the past. I went and reread the president s antiwar speech from\r2002. I reread his other speeches. If he stood for anything, its been to be cautious about the unintended consequences of war. And now thats what got him elected. Yeah. In 2008. Now hes standing on the precipice of another situation like that. I think what he wants to say is lets be really careful. Lets be cautious. Yeah, but hes saying more bombing. But the American People<\/a> right now and everybody in washington and the chatter is, you know, you better be strong, mr. President , you only have a 32 Approval Rating<\/a>. Were not talking four years from now. Were talking the next couple weeks case. Just imagine the horror. He does announce more bombing, more sorties more casualties. The head of isis, baghdady, well find somebody else to behead. Americans are watching this sequence of events. We do one thing, they do another. It all began when we put our troops in the holy land over there and all of a sudden theres an al qaeda group. We knock all the sunnis out of\rthe iraqy government, guess what . They join isis. We bomb isis, they behead our people. A series of reactions and actions that will just continue tonight. It wont end tonight. I think also youre starting to see this sort of element of an i told you so from the hawkish wing of the Republican Party<\/a>, not necessarily the political Mitch Mcconnell<\/a>s of the world. What about i told you so to how we got into this situation . The president s caution has gotten us to this position where isis is this big of a threat. If the president had acted more strongly, maybe if congress had stood up a little taller a year ago. Whats the latest poll number on whether we should have gone into the iraq war . Its in the 70s against that. The American People<\/a>, if they were reminded of the problem, we had a lot of difficult, you can call them s. O. B. Governments, to be crude about it. Saddam hussein, gadhafi. Wed be better with those bums than what we have right now, but we took step after step to bring them down. If youre going to judge barack obama, president obama by his own standards, thats the speech he should give tonight. What i just said. Yes. He should say heres what were going to do, but you have to understand the context here. Thats his whole being. Thats the way he would normally operate, but hes being jammed into whos pushing him, dempsey . The chairman of the joint chiefs . I think the numbers are pushing him there. Having a 32 Approval Rating<\/a> on Foreign Policy<\/a>. Having a 40 approval rate overall. Knowing that your senate and house candidates and maybe gubernatorial candidates are being dragged down by your unpopularity. Hes responding to the immediate polls, not to history. Hes going to make history of a kind that hes not sure he wanted to make. You are so smart and subtle, and thats the sad, tragic reality, i think. Thank you so much. Casey hunt and howard fineman. I got this. [thinking] is it that time . The son picks up the check . [thinking] im still working. Hes retired. I hope hes saving. I hope he saved enough. Who matters most to you says the most about you. At massmutual were owned by our policyowners, and they matter most to us. Whether youre just starting your 401 k or you are ready for retirement, well help you get there. Its time to bring it out in the open. Its time to drop your pants for underwareness, a cause to support the over 65 Million People<\/a> who may need depend underwear. Show them theyre not alone and show off a pair of depend. 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When kick cheney as secretary of defense put our troops into saudi arabia back in 1990, we knew that we were desecrating the holy land of islam. So did the people of al qaeda who struck back on 9 11. When george w. Bush overruled the sunni government of iraq and\rthrew hem out of the iraqi army they created the seabed for isis. When president obama hit isis with air strikes isis reacted by beheading the two american journalists. The question we have to ask tonight, what will be the reaction to the other side of what the president orders tonight. I know there are americans angry at the beheadings of our citizen. I share it. But the president of the United States<\/a> needs to take this understanding of the back and forth, this eye for an eye to another level. He needs to know where it is heading. One thing weve learned the past 14 years and that is how to escalate the American Fighting<\/a> in the islamic world. We know how to kill arabs on International Television<\/a>. What we havent figured out is how to bring this fight from a boil down to a simmer, to take the rage of the islamist, islamism down to the reasonable set of resentments weve been living with for a very long time. The most important goal from the president is to tell us what to expect. Theres a lot of fear out there, anger which always comes from fear. What we need is a leader to help","publisher":{"@type":"Organization","name":"archive.org","logo":{"@type":"ImageObject","width":"800","height":"600","url":"https:\/\/vimarsana.com\/images\/vimarsana-bigimage.jpg"}},"autauthor":{"@type":"Organization"},"author":{"sameAs":"archive.org","name":"archive.org"}}],"coverageEndTime":"20240618T12:35:10+00:00"}