Good evening. Im chris matthews. Washington you want a fight . You got one. Like curry answering james last night, Hillary Clinton spent the weekend putting up points. Let Bernie Sanders charge up wall street shes working main street promising to create e equal opportunity. You wounder what the Clinton Campaign was missing . We know an opponent someone to light up her engine and thank god this isnt going to be boring after all. David axle rod, columnist with the Washington Post and Hillary Clintons chief speech wry wry tore and senior advisor. Hillary clinton picked up where she left off after the big announcement speech. While Bernie Sanders is going after concentrated wealth. Clinton says there is nothing wrong with success, lets watch. I dont think americans are against success, i think americans are against people who get on the top of the ladder and start pulling it up so nobody else has the same chance they had and act as though they pulled themselves up by the boot straps and log cabin. At some point were in this together and those of us who do have opportunities ought to be doing more to help other people do the same. Pay attention. Compared to what we heard from Bernie Sanders the day he announced for president. This Campaign Starting today is going to send the message to the billionaire class and that is you cant have it all to the billionaire class and i say your greed has got to end, and you cannot contend and if you refuse to accept your responsibility. I see a battle here. I hope well get hotter the standard and getting the tide to rise and against wall street. Very different than what he was offering. Definitely a battle. I dont know if its going to actually grow into a battle. We talk about it in fact it will be interesting each of them is trying to talk to the sole of the Democratic Party and shes delivering what is essentially the traditional democrat. Shes a democrat and hes a socialist. He says he is. Not knocking the guy, he is what he is. Hes saying what socialism means, take from the rich and use it to School Programs and stuff like that. Anyway, does the Democratic Party want to grow the pie or re redistribute the pie . In the coming weeks, ill propose specific policies to reward businesses who invest in longterm value rather than the quick buck because that leads to higher growth for the economy, higher wages for workers and yes, bigger profits. Everybody will have a better time. Yesterday Bernie Sanders spoke about massive wealth redistribution. There has been a massive redistribution of wealth which has gone from the middle class and working families to the top onetenth of 1 . Were going to take some money back for the middle class. Well, david, the fight, hilary says we can do well if the rich pay their share. Bernie is much more socialist about it. Hes saying okay lets go get the money they got and give it to the people that need it. Different point of view i think. Look, weve got a situation where people now are, the Median Income in this country is what it was in 1989 and anxiety about that and there is a great deal of anger about what is seen as the rigging of the system. That is real. But i think hilarys fundamental approach reflects the main stream of the Democratic Party. I think shell be the nominee of the party. I think people have lwill have a fling with bernie. He wont be around too so long. Youll see people flirt with that. At the end of the day, shell be the nominee and incorporate elements of a more populous agenda but in a growth frame. Thats interesting. Melissa, what do you think . I love the metaphor not the onenight stand, thats gross but the wild kid, hes the fun to date for awhile but when it comes time to marry somebody, not Bernie Sanders. I agree. David is right. They both agree about one fundamental problem. Im not interested what they agree about. Ill warning you right now. Youre on the wrong show. Go to al sharpton youre not going to vote me into changing. No, agree income inequality is the problem and different prescriptions. Explain the difference. No, i mean shes, as you said hes more about redistribution of wealth and shes about growth for everyone and having everybody have a bigger share of the pie. Her problem is the pie is this big and the very small, small fraction of people are getting the bulk of it so shes about having everybody get more of it and shes been pretty clear about that and hes about, i think, more punitive ways of going about it. Is she smarter not to be so punitive . So she smart to be like were on this together rather than go to war against the rich . Is that a smart move today . I think its who she is. When you register the party, the party is more to the left clearly and clearly hilary nudged herself to the left a bit and she said so but is it more angry and you have to get angry and snarl a bit really show you out to get the rich . Do you have to to do that . I dont know about out to get the rich but people think there are inequities. If youre a growth democrat than you need to get the money somewhere to invest in education, to invest in research and development, to invest in infrastructure and invest in the pillars of growth and it has to come from the people who have gotten the benefit of the economy over the last so many years at how do you do it . Well thats the issue that has, i mean thats a big issue because hilary said shes going to be a better negotiator with congress and i think people see her as someone that can navigate washington perhaps better than president obama but its going to be hard because anything that is labeled spending is dead on arrival in this congress and thats going to be a problem for any democratic president. When it comes to wall street Hillary Clinton has scolded the financial community. Here he is at this saturdays big announcement. Here she is here. The financial industry and Multi National corporations created huge wealth for a few by focussing too much on short term profit and too little on longterm value. Wow shes for longterm investments. Here is senator sanders and he sounds like he wants to destroy wall street. Much different tone here. Wall street cannot continue to be an island on to itself gambling trillions in risky Financial Instruments while expecting the public to bail it out. If a bank is too big to fail that bank is too big to exist. Thats strong talk there, very strong. I think the sweet spot is in between the two statements and its where Elizabeth Warren has been on the issue and where some of hilarys rhetoric has also gone in that direction and that is the system is rigged the system is rigged against middle class shes not talking like that now. Well, but she has been talking. Has been. I think look listen i can defend this speech was very worked on. I think she had a lot to do with writing. Wasnt as good of a speech as jeb. Jeb had a professional speech. May not have written a word of it but it sang. Hers was much more her, the kind of speech a regular person would write, didnt you think . It was a political speech. But it was her. My mom. Her mother shes laying out her life story and how the values she believes connected the values of the country that connect to where she wants to take the country. Thats what you want out of a speech like that. The press constantly beats up on her not having enough detail so she threw in more policy detail than usually done in these launch speeches but i think that was probably preemptive because she knew she would get creamed if she didnt do that. It was good. I saw a reporter that said i loved that told me what shell do about Early Childhood education and so on. Shes always been there, i agree. Youre laughing over there in the bleachers, what do you think was funny that you heard there, listen i thought youre chuckling at her. I thought it showed supreme confidence. Shes so confident she gave the state of the union speech early, which i think i complete agree with you. Did you see her today . I thought it was so president ial and im not her biggest fan normally. I have to say that i like the fact that she has this guy nick merril calling on press people in order like press conferences. Wasnt that a Big Development she can say who gets to ask . Poor Andrea Mitchell the best in the business didnt get to like eighth because they decide who gets to ask the questions. See how long that lasts. [ laughter ] what do you think . Do you think that will be a problem . I thought she was great, top of her game because she was defining herself, the nixon days if you dont define yourself carefully where she wants to be somewhere left of center but not too far left somebody else will. Anyway Hillary Clinton is taking a cautious approach, clearly the hot button issue of trade. Here is what she said yesterday about the president s big tpp trade deal. Very careful. They are the voices you heard them for the deal no matter what is in it and they are the voices against the deal no matter what is in it. Well i kind of fall in the group that says lets find out what is in it and make it as good as it can be and lets make a decision. Very interesting. Now watch how much that sounds like her husband did back in 1992 in the race when he was talking about nafta. Here is clinton. I am the one in the middle of this. Mr. Bush says its a honky dory deal. I say it does more good than harm, if if we can get protection for the environment so the mexicans have to follow their own environmental standards, labor law standards and if we have a genuine commitment to train and reinvest in this economy. I have a realistic approach to trade. I want more trade. And i know there is good things in that agreement, but it can sure be made better. The that is masterful, david axle axle rod, masterful to support it after he became president without offending the unions on the way to becoming president. Brilliant piece of work. Your thoughts . Hilary is trying to do the same. Easier for Hillary Clinton because he wasnt the secretary of state in charge when these negotiations began and when she left in december of 2012 she was in australia, she called the tpp, she said it was going to be the Gold Standard for trade agreements, so this is very, very freighted for her. This is difficult terrain to navigate because she owned this to some degree and has to navigate through it. I was trying to be nice to her and youre dragging me back in. By the way, one other aspect her husband is clearly for this. If somebody can find him, hell say so. Go clinton, i heard him in tokyo, 100 said this was a magnificent bill. Anyway, he wont be heard from for awhile. Thank you david for being tougher on hilary than i was. Well have you back melissa, who wrote some of these great words over the years. Coming up president obama badly wants the historic trade deal with asia, his major achievement and believes its essential but after democrats handed him a whooping this friday what can he do to save the effort . Big question alive and jeb bush offer as bright shining preview for 2016. Here he is. Ive decided im a candidate for president of the United States of america. [ cheers ] so jeb is through the threshold, the question is his parry ready to layout the red carpet . Apparently not. Hillary clinton in the poll of history embracing the possibility she would be the first woman president. Actually, the youngest woman president in history. Its a magnet to millions of americans and republicans simply dont have an answer to her. Finally, let me finish with the battle for the 2016 democratic president ial nomination and we got one this is hardball a place for politics. Urchases on your account in seconds. And once you find it you can switch it right on again. 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Last week the president republicans got enough votes to pass fast track but democrats tanked the trade package by voting down Workers Assistance Program and historically been supportive of. Nancy pelosi joined in. I will be voting today to slow down the fast track to get a better deal for the American People. Bigger check, bigger paychecks, better infrastructure help the American People fulfill the american dream. She looked tortured there. Hillary clinton backed pelosi in a swing through iowa. Here she is. The president should listen to and work with his allies in Congress Starting with nancy pelosi who have expressed their concerns about the impact that a weak agreement would have on our workers to make sure we get the best strongest deal possible and if we dont get it there should be no deal. [ applause ] well, that was carefully said by someone very much finessing this issue. The Washington Post said no one is declaring it dead but if they decline to lend a hand prospects appear merck kiirky. Here he was yesterday. I feel strongly that both from a policy sense and a political sense, it is very wrong for the democrats to under cut the president at this stage. This deal though can still get done in the next couple of days. Well the house is expected to vote again sometime this week. For more on the president and his lastditch effort to save the trade agenda im joined by david corn and jake sherman jones. Jake youre the expert. Whats the chances . I felt pelosi was pulled by others on the Progressive Side of the Democratic Party that got to her. This is where the caucus is and she didnt want to be there but was there in the end. I think bill clinton is for this and Hillary Clinton probably leaning towards it but nobody wants to mess with strong labor. Labor never looked stronger almost like a wounded animal is the most dangerous animal. Let me ask, is there hope for either the republicans or democrats to save this bill . If there is hope the path is certainly not clear yet and here is the problem, if you listen to what pelosi says and other democratics say, they are voting against taa to tank the deal. So as long as there is a deal on the table, nothing is going to pass. I mean republicans are thinking of a couple options, thinking of passing tea. There is no clear sense how this will get through. There is talk of another part of trade agenda but really no sense the votes are there and youre right, pelosi is in a real tough spot. Her caucus is overwhelmingly against this trade deal and there is really no unwinding from where we sit. Their position is kind of firm at this point. I want to get to the politics of this. I know you dont like the sdming a lot of people dont and im mixed. I think the guy from new york, one of the guys said this weekend in the paper if this was just a simple bill they had a vote on, they could have gotten through but nobody wants to mess with labor. Labor is really hot. I think thats true. Labor is hot on it for policy reasons reasons. Solidarity reasons, too. Give me the cases. I think there are both. Trade. They care about losing jobs and maybe union jobs because that weakens the Union Movement overall. Solidarity is something do you think thats the case . Someone works for state or local government, that will make them weaker . I think Union Leaders worry about that yeah. You dont want on the Service Sector to be unionized. Or public sector. Thats driving part of the union side and i think from the democratic side, there are, you talk to democratic members who are against this and they are like 20,000 different reasons. Its not complicated. Just some policy. I agree. The president , you know did not do his job. Let me ask you this the president starts on this show, the Jerry Connolly out in virginia. One show on this and i think that was an attempt to build support. Never got past the 25, 26 dem democrats democrats. He got the people from virginia resuming economically with high tech and get back to the spell with t