Transcripts For MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews 20150617

MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews June 17, 2015

Clutched the medias attention with an indictment that the president of the United States is foreign and illegitimate that he forced his way into the countrys highest office but the countrys life itself. Can this man now be taken seriously as his wannabe successor . Michael steele, the former chair of the Republican National committee, joan walsh, both are msnbc political analysts. Lets watch him do it. These are the best and the finest. When mexico sends us people, theyre not sending their best. Theyre not sending you, theyre not sending you. Theyre sending people that have lots of problems and theyre bringing those problems with us. Theyre bringing drugs, theyre bringing crime, theyre rapists and some, i assume are good people. That was nice, wasnt it, joan, there are some. Where is this operation chief somewhere in hq, mexico, guadalajara is sending people off in droves in different complements of troops, its all organized by some capital and some province in mexico. Even if the notion that he talks in seems fictitious. Its crazy. Is that too strong a word . No, not too strong a word. We can say racist. This is like half the size of cantaloupes except its not as funny. Its really dangerous for the Republican Party. I felt like what we were seeing was kind of a bizarro world version of jeb bushs speech the day before. Jeb breaks into spanish, donald trump breaks into nativist. And i think its terrible for the party. Im so happy about one thing. Thats that my friend michael does not have to preside over this circus. I was looking out to the crowd. I dont know whether black, white, mixed crowd, its really not important. But he says to the crowd in saluting their nativeborndom, theyre not sending you, youre good people. What a pander that is. Not people like you. These dregs, these losers, these criminals, these dealers. First of all, who was he going for . Lets talk politics. Chris, this clearly wasnt the give me your tired, the poor, your hungry. Dont give me any more of them is what it was. This wasnt that speech. Look, thats donald. Donald throws down. He throws down hard and stuff splatters everywhere. And interesting challenge for the republican other republican candidates is what type of check theyre going to be on that kind of language, that sentiment. Is that going to be the brand that goes forth in the 2016 campaign or is it Something Else . And i think joan touched on a very important contrast between what we heard come from jeb bush yesterday in reaching out to the Hispanic Community and what we heard today, not so much. Well, as i mentioned, the donald, as he is, was one of the most outspoken birthers in the country for the last half dozen years questioning the president s place of birth again and again and again saying hes basically somebody snuck him under the fence from kenya. Lets watch him at it. Why doesnt he show his birth certificate . And you know what . I wish he would. Because i think its a terrible pale thats hanging over him. Im a really smart guy. I was a really good student at the best school in the country. The reason i have a little doubt, just a little, is because he grew up and nobody knew him. Nobody ever comes forward. Nobody ever knows who he is until later in his life. Very strange. If barack obama opens up and gives his College Records and applications and if he gives his passport applications and records, i will give to a charity of his choice. As recently as this february, 2015, trump continued to play the birther card. Lets watch him at it. I still would like to see his College Records. Id like to see a couple of things. Im not looking at his marks. Id like to see where he put on. Look, he wrote a book when he was a young man, and it said, born in kenya, blah, blah, blah. Id like to see it. Trump comes along and says birth certificate. He gave a birth certificate. Whether or not that was a real certificate because a lot of people question it, i certainly question it. Okay. Where do we start with this, joan, this attempt to delegitimize the president saying he snuck into american life. He may not even have been in american life. He may not have gone to those schools because nobody knew at those schools. The indictment here is so colossal that hes a fiction himself that obama never really existed in these schools because nobody knew him, so how could he prove he ever went to these schools. Right. To get down to the level of this indictment is pretty raw. I have a thought about it but your thoughts first. It is raw and it trades on all the worst rightwing stereotypes about the president. Hes kenyan, hes foreign, also hes not very bright. We dont know what he really did in school. He may be fabricating that, hes not competent. It pulls them all together in this massive questioning of his identity. I thought the day that the president had to show his long form birth certificate was a truly sad day when this carnival barker gets the president to show his papers. His papers like he stopped him in his car and said, show me your license. Show me that you deserve to be here. It was disgusting. Michael, my friend, i want your thoughts, then ill give you my thoughts because ill expand on them later about why he does this. In north philadelphia during the campaign in 2008, you know the neighborhood. Its down around temple and the neighbors never really changed. A working class black neighborhood. Kind of tough, tough neighborhood. Its never gotten off the ground. When obama came in here and gave his big speech, i thought hed be promising people benefits, but he said i want to bring this country together. Were going to be one country. That got the biggest applause from these people who have nothing. Could have asked for anything and they dont have it and all they wanted was to be 100 accepted as not just equal american, fellow american, one of us. Lebron james just as much an allamerican as tom brady. Thats all they wanted. Just to be fully accepted as american. And this guy comes along and plays the card. Your guy, the one elected president , even hes not one of us. Hes a foreigner. He snuck in the country. Hes a liar. What do you think of that, michael . I think its eating at the heart. But an equal fellowship. He says, oh, no, even your best guy is a fraud and a foreigner. I think he knew exactly what he was doing because the 20 of the country that still have a problem with this proposition cheered it. A lot of his business partner, his business dealings he makes with people. The lowest common denominator, theres no doubt about that. I think that in large measure the vast majority of the American People rejected that argument and have moved away when are the Republican Party going to reject it . Why dont these just say i will not debate a man who goes after the president that way . Well, i hope they do. And if he does, i hope in that moment on that stage that one of those individuals rises to the occasion and puts the appropriate check in place. I really do. I think they would. But i dont think thats going to be donalds play this time. I think donald wants to have a more serious, if i can use that term, conversation about some of the things that are important to him. But this was not the way to start that conversation when you use the name calling, when you make pejorative comments about people. Look, you sit here and build a wall and send the bill to mexico as president. Youll be waiting a long time to get that check. Thats not president ial. Thats a tone that hes going to have to change, i think. Theres no excuse here for lack of intelligence. Donald trump is as smart as anybody who has run for president. He knows how to make money and how the world works and he does this. I dont know why he does it. Also he had a speech and he chucked it. I dont know if the racist line was in there. Hes disciplined. Michael is way too kind, way too optimistic. The only thing ill say, the only proviso ill put on this, he may not really run. This is not, quote, official. Hes not filed papers with the fec. We may have just watched a 45minute infomercial where he got to claim that hes worth 10 million. Hes in first debate, joan. I think we can be sure of that. I hope so. He wants to be on that stage, on that first debate in august. He is running second, third in most national polls. He is going to want to be on that stage. But i think donalds going to have to do a little bit different approach in order to stay on that stage. Well see. Donald trump did what he does best today, he sold the brand. He sold donald trump. Lets watch him in action. Our country needs a truly great leader. And we need a truly great leader now. We need a leader that wrote the art of the deal. I will be the greatest jobs president that god ever created. I dont need anybodys money. Its nice. I dont need anybodys money. Im using my own money. Im not using the lobbyists, im not using donors. I dont care. Im really rich. Im proud of my net worth. Ive done an amazing job. It was even reported incorrectly yesterday. Because they said he had assets of 9 billion. I said, no, thats the wrong number. Thats the wrong number. Not assets. Im not doing that to brag because you know what . I dont have to brag. I dont have to. Believe it or not. What do you make of this guy . I get the point. Hes 9 billion in net worth. An amazing success story. No doubt about it. I give him credit for it. But i was always taught dont ever say youre rich. You say were comfortable. He breaks all the rules. I mean, braggadocios. Chris, if i could, thats a very important point. He breaks the rules. Hes a guy that walks into the china shop and just goes through it. And thats where the party is right now with him. Youre going to have to a lot of very staid coiffed and prepared candidates standing on that stage and to their right or to their left will be donald trump. Who will say anything. To as coiffed as he is i dont know if hes coiffed if i were you. Hell say absolutely anything. It will be very entertaining for us. What if he keeps somebody like john kasich off the stage . I would think thats a big problem for you guys. I would bet you that a john kasich or bobby jindal or Carly Fiorina who are going to be sitting at home that night because they didnt reach the magic number, a real problem. Lets agree now we have some Common Ground coming up here. Donald trump did talk about the need to rebuild our roads, bridges and airports. Lets watch some Common Ground here. Lets watch. We have to rebuild our infrastructure, our bridges, roadways, our airports. You come into laguardia airport, its like were in a third world country. And i come in from china and qatar and different places. And they have the most incredible airports in the world. You come back to this country and you have l. A. X. Disaster, you have all these disasters. Airports. Donald trump, a broken clock is right twice a day. Hes right on that one. Ill tell you. Down in south africa, a new country, newly democratic, a country that has the most beautiful airport in the word and weve got jfk. Anyway, thank you, michael steele, thank you, joan walsh. A hot fight brewing between the right wing in this country and pope francis, the holy father is about to release a cyclical saying Climate Change is man made and we need to take urgent action to combat it. Now we have conservatives some running for president caught between their ideology and their religion. Rachel dolezal, the white woman who resigned as head of the naacp in spokane. She says she identifies with being black. Well get to that with our roundtable tonight. Whats a Republican Debate going to look like with donald trump on the stage . Hes a gifted bomb thrower. Finally let me finish with a matter donald trump needs to settle before we look at him as a serious candidate. Thanks for calling angies list. How may i help you . I heard i could call angies list if i needed work done around my house at a fair price. You heard right, just tell us what you need done and well find a top rated provider to take care of it. So i could get a faulty light switch fixed . Yup or have a guy refinish my floors . Absolutely or send someone out to groom my pookie . Pookies what you call your . My dog. Yes, we can do that. Real help from real people. Come see what the new angies list can do for you. I take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn. Because it gives me. Zero heartburn prilosec otc. The number 1 doctorrecommended frequent heartburn medicine for 9 straight years. One pill each morning. 24 hours. Zero heartburn. Dont look now but Bernie Sanders is coming on strong in new hampshire. Lets check the hardball scoreboard. According to a new poll from suffolk, Hillary Clintons lead is now ten points, clintons at 41, Bernie Sanders at 31. The battle for the hearts and minds of progressives is on. Its real. Welcome back to hardball. Manmade Climate Change is real and we must act on it now. Thats the headline in the popes cyclical from the church thats due out thursday this week. A draft was just leaked to the press. The pope will make a moral and scientific call for urgent action on Global Warming saying that, quote, plenty of scientific studies point out that the last decades of Global Warming have been mostly caused by the great concentration of greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide, methane, nitrogen oxide and other, especially generated by human action. The poor and the berth are shouting, care about the world that we inhabit. Anyway, the popes words are a strong denunciation of what were hearing on the hard right, especially among president ial hopefuls. Heres just a sampling of the flatearthers, if you will, running for president. I do not believe that human activity is causing these dramatic changes to our climate the way these scientists are portraying it. Somebody tell me what a hundred years data is in a earth thats 4. 6 billion years old. My guess is that the conclusions that you make from that are not conclusive. For the people to say the sciences decided on this is just really arrogant. Do you believe Climate Change is real . You know, im always troubled by theory that fits every perfect situation. This whole Global Warming hoax, this winter is brutal. I mean, im in new york right now. The airports are closed, everythings closed. Its freezing. Susan milligan is a Political Writer with u. S. News world report and president of the prohillary group, correct the record. I love that. Just the facts, maam. You know, the pope is a strong force in the world. People, friends of mine who are jewish, not just the catholic church. He seems to have a moral authority and maybe now intellectual authority that we havent seen on this issue. Absolutely. First of all, we have to say from a historic standpoint here, its just so profound what hes saying. We have to Pay Attention though this earth while were here. Its a gift from god. We have to take care of it. The pope has been a leader not just on this issue but on income inequality and trickle down economics. Here you have the World Leaders who cant get their act together on it and its the pope stepping up saying we need to Pay Attention to this. It does create problems for some of the conservative candidates, christian right candidates who are using the church for their world view. Look at jeb today. Hes a catholic, of course. He reacted to the news at a town hall in new hampshire. Heres jeb bush. I hope im not like going to get castigated for saying this by my priest back home, but i dont get Economic Policy from my bishops or my cardinals or from my pope. There are parts of miami that with a couple of inches, three or four or five inches of rising sea level could create huge problems. My attitude is i dont think the science is complete, but i do think we need to create longterm policies for adaptation. The climate is changing, whether men is doing it or not, in the case of the sea level rising in miami is kind of irrelevant. So what is his proposal for dealing with the sea level rising . Gondolas . In other words, dont go to the cause but deal with the solution. So the waters coming up, so get boats and move around the city. We have boats and maybe use marco rubio. Thats what hes saying. Sometimes i think there are 25 people left in this country that dont believe in Climate Change. Its the koch brother, the head of the rnc. Tell me this, how do you explain why the republicans as a party now dont believe in the science . Why are they rejecting it . A couple things. The Koch Brothers are a huge influence. Oil and gas. Thats what they sell. Fossil fuels is not what they want limited. Exactly. Theyve sent a group over to the vatican to protest the pope. I mean, these are the Koch Brothers are fighting with the pope. The gop is fighting with the pope. The base of their party does not believe in this type of science. By the way, there are some in their party who dont believe in the Science Behind vaccines and theyre playing to this crowd in the republican primary. You know what im talking about, a lot of the church, the stuff about sexual behavior, all about samesex and abortion, its not always about life, but about sexual discipline and behavior. This is a life issue, life on this planet. Thats why the popes involved in it. If conception if life begins with conception, how about human life begins on this planet . Its endangered over time. Its a legitimate concern of a moral leader. Rush limbaugh is calling the pope a marxist for his views on Climate Change. Every other word seems to be about how unfettered capitalism is destroying the world and how the rich countries have to give more money to the poor countries to make amends. I mean, thats call it what you want, marxism, socialism, what have you. Rick santorum, a traditional catholic and the runnerup of the Republican Party race four years ago is criticizing the pope. Santorum is calling Global Warming a hoax. I would just say this, that the church has gotten it wrong a few times on scien

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