Trump surrogate, you had one job. Until tomorrow, thanks for watching. Well be back from gotham city, thanks for watching. Well see you then, sayonara. Coming up, hardball with Chris Matthews. Hillary doesnt love bernie. Lets play hardball. Good evening oor, im Chris Matthews in washington. Heavyweight bought in new york. Accusing her of accusing him of not being qualified to be president. He is saying she accused him of being not qualified, because of a Washington Post headline. She is saying it wasnt her word. It was the Washington Post word. Any way, this is, as you can tell, only the first round in what promises to be a 15 round bought between now and the tuesday after next, when both democrats face a do or die test
in the New York Primary. And this one actually is do or die. If hillary holds on, she keeps actually keeps sanders from keeping her in delegates. If hillary loses, however, all hell will break lose. How can they nominate someone in philadelph philadelphia, when they lost their house in new york. Sanders attacked clintons chief her readiness for the job of the here is sanders. She has been saying lately that she thinks that i am quoteunquote not qualified to be president. Let me just say in response to secretary clinton, i dont believe that she is qualified. I dont think that you are qualified if you get 15 million from wall street through your super pac. I dont think you are qualified
if you have voted for the disastrous war in iraq. I dont think you are qualified if youre supported virtually every disastrous trade agreement which has cost us millions of descent paying jobs. Well, that attack elited an Immediate Response from brian fallon, who said Hillary Clinton did not say Bernie Sanders was not qualified, but he has now absurdly said it about her. This is a new low. Fallon also asked sanders to recant his statement, saying, quote, Bernie Sanders take back your words about Hillary Clinton. But sanders did not back off. Instead, he cited the Washington Post headline that evidence that clinton attacked him first and then double down this morning. When you have headlines in the Washington Post, quote, clinton questions whether sanders is qualified to be president , my response is, well,
you know, if you want to question my qualifications, let me suggest this. That maybe the American People might wonder about your qualifications, madam secretary. If secretary clinton thinks that i just come from the small state of vermont, were not used to it, well get used to it. Im not going to get beaten up or lied about. Wow. In response, pointing out that clinton did not call him unqualified. Sanders is putting words in clintons mouth that he was not qualified to be president. He cant slam her for words she did not say. Im joined by susan page, washington borrow chief, and steve mcmahon. I brought you in here to try to figure this out. The chief thing going on here is they both need to win new york. Its important. Its important. You know what, there is no iowa nice in new york. New york is happy to have really rough and tumble tol picpolitic
thats what were going to see. We talked about before, maybe you cant be as definitive on the air, but it seems to me, if Hillary Clinton loses her home state, what happens . If she loses her home state, its not math mattematically, h strong a candidate would she be. If he loses. He is already not in a good position. That would put him in a worst position. It doesnt mean hell get out. He will stay in until the end. Shell be back on track. I think its got the new york r residents. If you play for a new york sports team, its coming out of new york. If bernie wins new york, its a blockbuster. He is already ready to pass her nationally in the numbers. No question about that. Also this delegate math that has an overwhelming advantage forHillary Clinton, and that doesnt change whether he wins or not, because of proportional representation rules. Hell get huge momentum, probably nobody 50 million raised, and wellfunded, but that doesnt mean the super delegates, who have worked with the clintons for a long time and just met Bernie Sanders this year are going to flip absent some compelling reason. The reason i think its going to be the big one, Hillary Clinton starting two or three days ago, after you know, losing in wisconsin, has begun to realize, she has to beat this guy. She cant play with him any more. He aint going away. She jumped into the New York Daily News interview about how to get rid of the big banks, she jumped on it and say this is an example he doesnt know what he is talking about. Im talking about bernie, quotes, headlineses, air quotes. She is saying i did not say that. Why did she say that . Here is the thing. If he hadnt done quoteunquote, and saying, he could be on more
solid ground. If he said suggesting, because she did suggest. She refused to say he was unqualified. It was up to the voters. On morning joe, she wouldnt say it, but what shes saying is this guy is not what he claims to be, and the low information voter is falling for it is basical basically her words. The first is, any time were talking about qualifications and experience, that benefits Hillary Clinton. Any time Bernie Sanders is talking about that, that benefits Hillary Clinton. She wont say that he is unqualified. Is she gets at his age . She is getting is she getting at his age. I think shes getting at the fact that democratic socialist, that he has not a democratic. Small state, hasnt done much. Why is she afraid to slam him like most politicians. Trump sees somebody, he calls them little marco or big ears. You see the exit polls and what is happening she is getting
destroyed with young voters, and she needs all those people and come back to the general election. She is actually tradlistraddlin very nicely. At the same time, she wont say he is qualified. Let me put it another way. I would vote for him. She is triangulated this thing. I could beat a guy without beating him. I dont know how you beat somebody without beating them. I think she didnt realize until recently how serious this challenge was. She thought it would go away by now. Republicans made the same mistake with trump. They thought they would ignore him, would he go away, bernie would be a back bench. The delegate math isnt there. They dont want to hear about it. What he needs to do, he needs to move it for most of the primary away from the questn of experience and qualifications and over to the question of judgment. Which is what he was trying to do there with his rhetorical quotes. He has done that before. If he is arguing about whether she is qualified, he is losing. If he is arguing about her judgment. Judgment right on a like, in taking the what is it, 600,000 from Goldman Sachs for speaking fees. Thats when he is at his best as a candidate. This thing about whether he is when he is arguing about qualifications is crazy. The beat goes on. Hillary clinton reacted to the attack on her qualifications for office in an interview on today. He doesnt think youre qualified to be president. Well, that will be up to the voters of new york, and the other states that will be passing judgment in the weeks ahead. I think its kind of a silly statement, but he is free to say whatever he chooses. He is qualified to be president. Here is what i believe. I believe that voters will be looking at both of us, but i will take Bernie Sanders over donald trump or ted cruz any time. She is thinking of november, right. She should do the same thing he is doing. We have a totally different vision from where we should take the country. Neither of them do that. Hillary is something wrong to say there is something wrong with the socialist view. Whats wrong with his view, if you ask her. Its not about whether or not he has progressive views, he clearly does. Whats wrong with the way how can she say i dont like the way he is qualified to be the president. He is part of washington. He hasnt done the kinds of things, he doesnt have the kind of experience, he hasnt done this, and this, and this, which i have. You noknow what bernie will say, you took us to the war. Bill clintons exchange. Any response to Bernie Sanders saying Hillary Clinton is not qualified . So silly. About what he said . Whats your response, is he qualified . Talk about pushy, that guy was litaerally in his face. She is more qualified than i ever was. He did. Its much better than lashing out. He looks and says she is so qualified. So ready. And why we cant put this guy away is absolutely beyond him, obviously. And they havent been able to put him away. He generates more enthusiasm. Democratic primary so far have supported him, not her. Thats an amazing number. A number she has to address. She cant beat him down and she cant snack him down. She needs those people. If the republicans nominate
trump, she may not need lets talk about this. Look how great it is for bernie, though. He is brooklyn. He has the manner. He has it cold. Its sthitck, its great. He has a passion. He puts on, im not demeaning it, a show. He does. Hillary clinton doesnt. He did. It was classic brooklyn. You dont go see a Hillary Clinton speech to get excited. You maybe learn some things. The debate will be in brooklyn, she is sort of in a she has come to new york, but you know what, hell see like the mets. Shell look like the yankee. Come on, brooklyn wins. You think im stupid, youre stupider. Thats what is going on right now. Joe pesci. Shes unqualified. He doesnt know what a token is. He thinks theyre still using tokens. Were talking like this now. Thank you, susan. Round one. Weve got 14 rounds to go. Donald trump pinning his rebound, new york mayor, americas mayor, Rudy Giuliani supporting trump. The battle, how will it hurt Hillary Clinton come november. The round table here tonight, with something i dont know about. Any way, this wild president ial race as we head into the New York Primary, as we said. Finally, let me finish with a president ial contest that has narrowed to a narrow multiple choice. No more free choice. Just multiple choice. This is hardball, the place for politics. T becoming a bette professor by being a more adventurous student . Is it one day giving your daughter
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securing the nomination before the convention. Giuliani said ted cruzs comments blasting new york valu valu valu values colleen, michael, this battle, tell me about this. Its pretty big there, chris. I think he kind of put the exclamation point on that whole saga with cruz and this narrative about new york values. That comment by the mayor, really sensds a signal across te state that were going to bind ourselves together to stand behind the guy who is going to go to battle for our new york values. And i think its an important lift for trump coming off of a very tough battle in wisconsin to roll into his home turf to have the kind of night he had
last night, so great sound out of that event. And then today, to sort of roll into this event with the mayor supporting him. I think its a good day and a good way to start his time in new york. It also tells me that a lot of republicans in new york have new york values, including j giuliani, for example, theyre secular in their politics, they dont use religion as their battle flag. Right, absolutely. Thats what do you think. Right. They have new york values, and they have long memories, and they touchy. What ted cruz said, you saw ted cruz go to new york and try to kind of explain that in a new way and said i might have said that, but i was talking about the democrats, aunds knnd you kt the democrats think in new york. He was not warmly received when he arrived there. I mean, gary hart, remember gary hart, a gay group out in
l. A. , he told an aesthetic joke, he said he would rather be here than new jersey. My dad goes oh, youre making fun of my state. Thats nice. The people in l. A. Loved it and people loved what cruz said when he was trashing new york with the country mice. Youre not in new york, people are saying yeah, im with you on that. But back, when you need to come back into the state, its a very different feeling as weve seen from the coverage and the newspapers, and certainly the welcome he has gotten from people on the street. This will be a tough slog for him. Youre looking at right now, john kasich is seven, eight points above him in new york city. So this tells you, its going to be a tough roll for him. It reminded me a little bit of president obama, then candidate obama, sort of mocking those values in pennsylvania. Those gods and gun values. So these types of things for these candidates great example. Yeah. Michael, youve done it again. Because sitting up in, you know, russian hill or knob hill with a bunch of liberal democrats in san francisco, the president talked about those people, theyre so scared, they have to cling to their guns and their bible, their religion. By the time you get back to pennsylvania, they remember. They remember. Didnt you say let me ask you about Rudy Giuliani, like we all do in this world, try to figure it out and scope it out. I figured when fall comes, if hillary is the nominee, her best surrogate will be president obama. Hell be out there pounding. Im watching Rudy Giuliani come onto the field. He has a little mud on the uniform. He has been there. He comes out, you know, colleen, respond to this. He comes out, he is the guy that takes the shot at the president. The president takes a condescending shot, you know how he does it, he makes fun of the
guy. He come as long and punches him in the note. Rudy will be part of the fight. How can he lose . Why wouldnt rudy want to fight the president. You always punch up . He would relish the fight. But his endorsement wasnt a resounding endorsement. He said im going to vote for him. It may not even be an endorsement. Why doing the New York Times nuance here . He is willing to stand behind him. Whats the difference between endorse and support. Dipping his toe into the 2016 waters by correcting records, specifically the inaccuracies of donald trump. President obama responded to a question about trumps plan to end remittances to mexico to pay for a border wall. Lets listen. I am getting questions constantly from foreign leaders
about some of the wackhackier suggestions being made. Its not just mr. Trumps proposals. Youre also hearing concerns about mr. Cruzs proposals, which are in some ways just are geroconian. Treat these problems seriously. They dont expect halfbaked notions coming out of the white house. Did you see that laugh in his face. Maybe im seeing it lately. He has a little laugh when he does that. He has demonstrated frustration being processed by the 2016 republican candidates, seeking to replace him in the white house. Here he is again. The implications with respect to ending remittance, many of which by the way are from legal immigrants, and from individuals who are sending money back to
their families, are enormous. First of all, theyre impractical. We just talked about the difficulties of trying to enforce huge outflows of capitol. The notion that were going to track every western union, you know, bit of money thats being sent to mexico, you know, good luck with that. But this is just one more example of something that is not thought through and is primarily put forward for political consumption. Colleen, when we talked a moment, the segment before about using the word not qualified, now, whacky. He refers to whacky thoughts of the republican side. Right. These are things whacky means youve got a mental problem. Theyve gone all in publicly on this. It serves a few different purposes for obama. One, it certainly helps the future democratic nominee. The general election fight. But at the same time, the white house really enjoys drawing this contrast between trump and kind of waiving his arms and proposing these ideas and versu