Until tomorrow, were with you until right about now. Coming up, hardball with Chris Matthews. Donald trump presents. Lets play hardball. Good evening. Im Chris Matthews in washington. Thats the big story. Donald trump, the about to be republican nominee for president of the United States, is bringing his thrill show to the big tent stage of this summers fight for the white house. Youll see entertainment, live entertainme entertainment. Youll see suspense. He promises to pick his Vice President at the convention. Youll see reality tv bigger and
scarier than survival. You heard it right here last night. This is the ultimate reality show. Its the presidency of the United States. The Presumptive Republican nominee makes clear he has no plans to change anything hes been doing. He told the new york times, i have a mandate from the payroll. For trump this is the theater of war. Youre going to change. People like the way im doing. He also made this comparison. In a broadway theater, the absolute best sale is called word of mouth. People love a broadway show. Its better than if you write a good review. Word of mouth is number up with thing. The word of mouth at my rallies is like youve got to go see it. One person goes and they talk about it to 20 people. What is the trump shows and what is he selling right now. In the past 24 hours hes reaffirmed his commitment to ban muslims. Hes boasted that after attacking john mccains war records, his poll numbers went up. Paul manafort says trump will continue to go after clinton over her husbands past bad behavior. Its almost like don king. Trump saying this will be the most exciting convention. Hes talking about having music. He will pick a vp running mate right there. Everything will be hype. Ill bet the broadcast networks will be giving this convention a lot more hours than they have done in recent years. Hes going to make this
exciting. Can he do it and will it matter . Hes probably right. I thought the Cable Networks gave donald trump inordinate coverage. I think he got 20, 30 times the coverage than most his rivals got. I think that played into his sweet spot. I think theres something to what he says. When does he have to do that . When does he have to do that . Some time before the second tuesday in november. This is a guy who, on the day he was going to win the indiana primary by 15 points and knock out all his rivals unnecessarily ted cruz father and said hes part of a plot to assassinate
jfk, thats erratic and bizarre. Im with you on that one. Your newspaper is built on the idea of the Television Set and the boxes where you buy usa today looks like a tv set. Whats happening right now . Can he create a week of fantastic excitement starting with the convention where that just boosts up all his numbers. Thats going to be part of it. Any journalist who is worth their salt will be covering the real story which is this real unity around Republican Donald Trump whos n trump. Whos not there . The businesses that will be pulling out. Any good journalist will be tracking down that story. There was this honky tonk. Everything was about big placards. Hes saying this is what im doing here. The most exciting point at the last convention is saying someone talk to a chair. I think were going to advance beyond that. That wasnt advanced very well. Nobody liked it. They said it was negative. Youre right. Youre going to have reporters digging behind the scenes. Theres going to be a lot more people there than not. Theres a lot more businesses involved in sponsoring than not. Theyll want to be part of what will ultimately be a historic event. Number one. Number two, an important political event because coming out of that convention, i think youre going to fiebds theres more of a runway for donald
trump candidacy than anybody is giving him credit for now despite the noise. Lets talk about gamesmanship. I think theres always a game aspect in the serious business. Its going to put her into a position of holding off her announcement until philadelphia. It might. It absolutely might. Theres nothing wrong with that. Thats one of the few things that was drama at the conventions. You remember in is the 56 when it was thrown to the delegates, that was the exciting part of
that convention. I wouldnt mind if hillary kept that under wraps until we get to philadelphia. Listen to the kennedy versus key. We had never heard a kennedy. That made him that. Some amazing people in that field. We know so much. Donald trump said he doesnt think he will release his tax returns. Here is manager we do want to get out of him. Wonder why hes holding them until after november. Theres nothing to learn from them, he says. Mitt romney was quick to criticize him. He wrote its disqualifying for a modern day president ial nominee to refuse to release tax returns to the voters. We can only assume its a bombshell but usual size. That doesnt sound like mitt romney talking. If the democrats are smart theyll say strategy. It could be something we already know of taking advantage of various tax breaks for people who are not rich. Can i ask a question . Whos going to care . Ill tell you how they care. I think youre wrong. How will the hillary people use this if he keeps the taxes a secret . I love michael, but youre dead wrong on that. My aunt was a rock rib republican. I remember coming home from college. She hated the governor of new
york. I said to her, it was his reelection year. I said youre going to get your wish. Hes going down. She said im voting for him. The other guy wont release his taxes. I paid 1,162. 46 and im not paying for someone who wont tell me who they paid. I understand that then. Thats not this electorate now. Whats he hiding . Thats what democrats will ask. Hes probably hiding something. I dont know how far thats going to carry. Here is my rule of politics. Its a simple rule. If it looks better than it is, theyll tell you. If it looks better than it is, they wont tell you. He showed he paid a decent rate of taxes and made a reasonably defensible history of giving. Do you think his tax returns will trip up his campaign . He thinks so. Thats why hes not bringing them out. Im somebody who takes advantage of the tax code and the system as it is. Marco rubio said he will support trump. Lets watch what he said. This is funny. This is politics. My reservations about him have been stated and they remain unchanged. Everything i said, i still believe. You have to make a choice. You dont have a choice between 17 people or five. To put it bluntly, do you want donald trump to win . Do you hope in your heart of hearts that he wins and assumes the presidency . Look, again, all the policy differences i have with him remain. All the reservations about his campaign remain. I dont want Hillary Clinton to win. Donald trump is the only other choice on the ballot. I recognize that. I have a pledge to support the nominee on top of it. I intend to keep it. Well, as the old compared to her thing. Here is what he said during the campaign that he still believes. Lets watch. What were deal with her, my friends, is a con artist. Hes a con artist. This is a con job. We have a con artist as the frontrunner in the republican party. What do you think a trump government would look like, senator . It would be chaos. Know one knows. Hes wholly unprepared to be president of the United States. This is the most important government job on the planet. Were about to turn over the conservative movement to a person who has no ideas of any substance on the important issues. The Nuclear Codes of the United States to an erratic individual. What is there con artist thing . Isnt that what they were calling president obama. How does he come back from that . I support the grifter. Im with the grifter. If youre under the age of 60 you have to make your decision
based on selfinterest. Thats why you see Lindsey Graham saying im not supporting him even though i signed the pledge. Hes going to be in an uncomfortable position. Those of us will ask him, so you agree there should be nukes in europe. Is he auditioning for v. P. . Is that what hes doing with this turn . I think hes hurting his long term political campaign. He said he would vote for somebody he described as too erratic to entrust the Nuclear Codes to. Thats insane. You have to stick by your guns. Bite your lip and say hes too erratic. I cant support him. Im not going to vote for Hillary Clinton. Youre being very sound. Rubio is not alone. Rick perry, bobby jindal and rand paul have expressed support for their former poeopponent. Lets watch this circus of changing of minds. Let no one be mistaken,
Donald Trumps candidacy is cancer on conservativism and must be clearly diagnosed, excised and discarded. Donald trump is not a serious candidate. Hes a narcissist. Hes an egomaniac. The only thing he believes in is himself. Least a narcissist and an orange face wind bag. I believe he wants power and from my point of view that power corrupts. Theyre now supporting trump. Theyre all with him. Maybe this is why people have the attitude they have about politicians. There you go. Thank you. Coming up, donald trump is calming Hillary Clinton trigger happy. In a newly unearth interview trump said clinton deserved a pass from that because what she
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the opposition of the iraq war was his selling policy. Here is trump this saturday. On foreign policy, hillary is trigger happy. Shes got a bad temperament. Iraq, libya. She voted iraq. I voted against it except i was a civilian so nobody cared. Yesterday buzz feed unearthed a 2006 interview that trump said clip on the should get pass for her vote. He thinks hillary should be forgiven for her vote to authorize the war. It was based on lies given to her. Shes smart and has major chance to be our next president of the United States. Hell support trump as the nominee for the republican party. Theres no record of him
opposing the war before it was launched. Here is what he told howard stern in september of 2002. Are you for invading iraq . I guess so. I wish the first time it was done correctly. Yeah, i guess so. Im joined by two msnbc political analysts. Thats what they are. The people i really hold against it for the iraq war are those casual country club people who say what the heck. Lets do it. Dont think. Dont discern. Just follow along into war. How about some discernment . Hes showing none. We call them the i guess so crowd. I think at this point and time we have to stop being surprised that anything that donald trump says at a moment might have been
contradicted by anything he said before. I Pay Attention to people who made that big discernment. I think this war is being sold by ideologs. They want this war. Where is trump . Heres where trump is. Hes taking his weakness and trying to make it into a strength. This is what will cause him the election. This is Barry Goldwater revisited. He knows nothing about foreign policy. Hes making this stuff as it goes along. His core con stistituency is noe same as an american constituency. Most people vote on whether the candidate is erratic or not. Trump is going to get a lot of votes because hes against the establishment. He loses because hes too scary. The quote, looks like he goes
along with the establishment. He doesnt know what hes talking about. He makes it as he goes along. Im the most militaristic person in this room. Im the most militaristic person. Militaristic than bush. A, i dont think he knows what the word really means. Hell say anything at any given point in time. Hes totally transactional. Hes totally situational. Is he an interventionist . He says hes not. He is. He doesnt know what an interventionist is and he doesnt care. He makes up his decisions at the moment. Tomorrow it could be a different situation. Economy can survive somebody like that. This country can not survive a president that believes you can make your decision today and make a different one tomorrow and a third one the next day. They got to make decisions on two or three issues. It may be civil rights, the economy. It may be can you trust this guy to keep us safe. How do you make a decision on trump. Is he a hawk or a dove . Hes both. What does that mean . He talks out of both sides of his neck. Is he likely to take us to war . I dont think we can predict anything with this guy. The voters hes attracting, i dont think they are making decisions policy wise. They are making it on the attitude they get from him. Whether hes hawkish or not interventionist, everybody else is wrong. Wars start by miscalculati s miscalculations. Wars start when you Say Something you dont mean. When youre too aggressive or not aggressive enough. He has no idea what hes doing. He has no idea what hes doing. He makes Barry Goldwater looks like a statesman. Barry goldwater had an ideology. He had positions. His positions were dangerous. They may have been dangerous, but he knew what they were. Trump said wall street would react positively. What do you make of how wall street has been reacting to what our military guys have been doing . I think wall street is waiting to see what happens. Before the fact they are taking it a little bit for granted. It looks like a tremendous success from a military standpoint. I think this is really nothing compared to what youll see after the war is over. What do you mean . I think wall street will go up like a rocket. Thats not what happened but thats just predictions. What he says at one moment has nothing to do at the next. He called hillary wonderful at one point and now shes crooked. The people like his anger, popping people on the nose. They are not being driven be i is he an interventionist or is he more hawkish. Theres no details. Its an attitude toward the way things are. The trouble is the closer you
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of that public as possible. If theres nothing there, lets tell people theres nothing there. What if there is something there . Unless its a threat to National Security, i think we ought to share it with the public. Thats Hillary Clinton saying if she were president , she would like to release information on area 51. Mrs. Clinton has vowed barring to any threats to National Security she would open up them. Her position as the latest ufo enthusist. I think its time to open the books on questions that have remained in the dark. Question of government investigation and ufos. Its time to find out what the truth really is thats out there. We ought to do it because its right. We ought to do it because the American People can handle the truth. We ought to do it because its the law. Is there any physical evidence that anyone has found of ufos . Id be the first to admit it but theres no evidence. No spaceships or e. T. S of think kind . Its never been discovered . Absolutely not. Take area 51. We know thats where the government tests experimental aircraft. If people have seen weird looking aircraft flying around, it seems perfectly reasonably. All the evidence can be explained. Have we in our efforts to try to offer up the chance to have some foreign intelligence respond to us ever gotten a response to those transmissions . We have not gotten any response. We have seen a signal that got everybody excited. So far everything has a perfectly, logical explanation. It doesnt mean we have stopped searching. People are actively looking because pure statistics says, sure, maybe life is out there. It seems reasonable. We see planets everywhere we look in the universe. Theres not a shred of anything resembling Scientific Evidence that aliens exist anywhere. You can come across people
with strong believes about conspiracies. I meet a lot of them. They come up and have a unitary theory. What would you say about people who believe theres a situation where the government of the United States knows about e. T. S and knows about space creatures coming here. Its for whatever reason, why do they think they have covered it up . They think we cant handle the truth. People love that stuff. It would be one of the most inspiring discoveries in the history of man kind. I think people would be eager to share that evidence. The whole government conspiracy doesnt fly. First of all, its not plausible that they could keep something a secret this well, for this long. Something that huge. The motivation is just not there at all. You would definitely have a whistle blower, right . Why do you think hillary
clinton wants to open the files . I have to say, i dont know. It could be pandering. I know politics. I can tell you thats what politics is. If nobody is going for a group of a Million People yet, hillary would go for them like any other politician. Shes the first one to grab for them. There must be some people who want to hear this and hear the files will be opened. They will vote on that one issue. Im sure theres a couple hundred thousands people like that. Im all for releasing the records. I think, lets put this mystery to bed. Those few people who are Still Holding out because they think theres a conspiracy will see the records and realize there isnt. Im for releasing that data. I cant imagine theres going to be a huge political gain in that. Thank you. I love your Clear Thinking and logic and scientific, well, method. Up next, we heard a lot of talk about womens concerns with donald trump. What about men . What theyre saying about Hillary Clinton. This is the proman part of the show in terms of our analysis. Youre watching hardball, the place for politics. You live life your way. We can help you retire your way, too. Financial guidance while youre mastering life. From chase. So you can. Financial guidance while youre mastering life. Muddling through your morning is nothing new. Your nose is the only thing on your mind. And to get relief, anything is fair game. Introducing rhinocort® allergy spray from the makers of zyrtec®. Powerful relief from your most frustrating
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