Big thanks to donny for being here. See you monday. Digging into donalds baggage. Lets play hardball. Good evening. Im Chris Matthews in washington. Heard trumps unsavory chatter with howard stern and he wont release his past or present tax returns. Did he think none of this would explode in his face or did he
not imagine it would get this close to actually being president. This week there were multipresident remind dee multipresident multiple reminders. Theres a guy that sounds like trump claiming to be his p. R. Guy. Thats renewed focus on his conversations with howard stern. As he said today, its none of your business about his tax returns. As the news yesterday that trumps former long time butler called for the killing of the president of the United States. We begin with that audio from 1991. The man calls himself john miller. The Washington Post reports he is donald trump. Lets listen. Whats your name again . John miller. You work with donald . Thats correct. He really decided that he wasnt, he didnt want to make my commitment. He didnt want to make a
commitment. He thought it was too soon. Hes coming out of marriage. Hes somebody with a lot of o options. He gets called by everybody. Hes living with marla and has three other girlfriends. Im sort of new here. What is your position . Im handling p. R. Because he gets so much of it. On the today show he denied the man was not him. It was not me on the phone. It doesnt sound like me. It was not me on phone. Robert costas is a National Reporter for the Washington Post. David corning is with mother jones and joy reid is here. Joy, youre laughing already. Lets talk about this. I guess we can assume, they havent broken the case here at msnbc but most people say that sounds like donald trump. Is this the kind of thing you do when preparing to run for president . No. I wonder if any of this stuff would have really stopped him tr being where he is now. The American People that like trump, that minority that do, care about this one way or another . I dont think they do. It is bizarre to watch this whole president ial race boil down to the mtv show catfish, where you have this George Wallace character who did not intend to be president of the United States. Otherwise, he would have done a lot of things differently. You have somebody so narcissistic that in order to deflect bad media coverage, he pretends to be his own publicist. Its weird. The theres any difference of trump that call up tabloids and talking occupy this guy donald trump. This guy is really great and the guy were watching tonight as a political figure. Is he any different than that guy . Trump has changed the political campaign. The way politics really functions in this country because of the way he engages with the press. I asked why he came to pile all this stuff on his desk and look at the press that way. He said going back to the 80s and 90s, he was someone who did serve as his own press officer who is realized the power of the press and shaping his public image. Its been free, hasnt it . Its been a will the of
coverage for him. It goes back to the way he worked the new york tabloid fls the 1980s. Why is he denying thats him on the phone . Why wouldnt he just say theres nothing wrong with what i did. It was pushy but i was ambiti s ambitious. I cant read the mind of donald trump. The post stands by the story. Sounds like donald trump. Its something reported in the past of what hes done. Lets listen to the conversation. Theres more than some issues with him. Hes a [ bleep ] traitor. Traitor, traitor. Thats the way i feel. You think thats what should
be done with traitors . I think he ought to be hung. I think he should be hung. He should be hung next to Hillary Clinton. I think it should be public. I think it should be televised. It should be done from the portico of the white house. It used to be the white house. He said he no longer works for trump and they disavow the horrible statements made by this fella regarding the president of the United States. David, good work. You scooped this thing. What do you think it means. You imagine this butler must have been mutserring along the lines sefb years ago when he worked for him. Hes his former butler but hes been the informal historian since 2009. He still had an association with trump. Theres a lot going on here. Trump tells us that he loves everybody, but he really is being sort of pushing a demagogue that seems to be enabling hatred. Some people agree with you, many do, with what comes out about this long time experience. I think trump is enabling and helping people to express these ideas, these hateful ideas and feeling they are part of the mainstream of political debate. Did trump ever meet that guy . I dont know but the campaign picked him. Does this make it with him pe personally. Absolutely. He was a guy that ran a reality
empire that was sued by the federal government for Racial Discrimination and housing. He ran apartments in new york that refused to rent to black people. He was sued for it and had to settle with the federal government. Donald trump, when i experienced him as someone who lived in new york who wacalled for the centr park five to be executed and the Death Penalty should be put into effect for them. He hedged about giving the first africanamerican winner the soul victory. He wanted it to slar hare it wi woman who was white. Randall pinkett had to object to it. Hes leading the former group of
apprentice cast member who is say this guy is unfits to be president. Hes has racial views that go w back to the 1980s and 90s. Hes a birther. He expressed the president couldnt have been smart enough to go to harvard and couldnt have written his law review. We know who donald trump is. Lets listen to a bit of him on stern. Lady di had great beauty. Would you have slept with her . Without hesitation. She had the height, beauty, skin. The whole thing. These are minor details. You know who has really changed, nicollet sherdan. Shes a solid four. She went from being very flat chested. I view a person who is flat chested is very hard to be a ten. If Angelina Jolie is a five. What is jennifer aniston. A six or seven. Who is a nine . My standards are very high. Let me go to robert costa on this. I never understood the stern appeal. They werent married guys. Is that part of a selfpromotion . What would he get out of doing stern . You look at the howard stern audience, it reminds me of the Rush Limbaugh audience just in terms of its reach. Its a wide spread one. One that doesnt get mainstream attention. The working class ethic, those are the kind of people especially in certain rust belt states in the northeast have really connected with trump. He was the beginning of the crudification of the media. He took pride in going past these. I found some clips of donald trump where they are talking about j. Los back side and whether its too big or not. He asked about if his breasts wife were injured. Hes enabling and validating stern. He said stern was his buddy. This is why hes unfavorable with women much more than men. A lot of women havent heard this stuff. Theyll hear it now. Watch his reaction. Do you believe voters have a right to see your tax returns before they make a final decision in. I dont think they do. I say this. I will gladly give them. Theyre not going to learn anything. Its under routine audit. When the audits ends ill present them. What is your tax rate . Its none of your business. Ill release. I fight very hard to pay as little tax as possible. That was a brutal counter
pun punch. What do you milwaukake of that reaction . Maybe that is a sensitive point. Ill bet mitt romney wishes he could have said that and gotten away with it. Even Richard Nixon released hi tax returns. Clintons have released 35 years. This is domds trump saying he doesnt have to follow the most basic pursuing the presidency. We have a current president who is intellectually, as degreed as a person could be. Hes viable shouldnt be in examine nati examination of donald trump, we need to be in examination of
ourself. Coming up, the Obama Administration orders Public Schools to allow transgender students to use the bathroom of their choice. Its the latest flash point in the culture wars and its triggering a backlash from the far right. Would hillary kin on tclint willing to use military force. We have the author of a new book who says Hillary Clinton will be a hawk. The Republican Party starts to line up behind their nominee and why the scandal seems to trail the clintons but bounce off trump. Seems like it. Let me finish with man who didnt spend his life preparing to run for president. You know who im talking about. This is hardball, the place for politics. In new york state, we believe tomorrow starts today. All across the state, the economy is growing, with creatnew business incentives, and the lowest taxes in decade attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow. Like in buffalo, where the largest solar gigafactory in the western hemisphere will soon energize the world. And in syracuse, where imagination is in production. Let us help grow your companys tomorrow today at business. Ny. Gov
he sat down for a discussion with msnbc contributor at a conversation in las vegas. They hit on a wide range of topics. Let me give you a few of donald trump ice policies and you tell me in you disagree or agree. Temporarily ban muslims from the country. No. Build a wall across from mexico . No. Tear up a bunch of trade agreements and put 35 tariffs on imports . No. There America FirstForeign Policy articulated in his speech a couple weeks ago. Not quite my style. Why are you for him . The point is while i was for some other people, they didnt win. Donald trumps going to be the nominee. We, as a party, have to figure out how do we get our act together. How do we get on the same page and how do we win . Well be right back. Or stop to find a bathroom . Cialis for daily use is approved to treat
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meet or greet. Straighten this out from both sides. Tell me what you think about this. What are we supposed to think about the logic and Traffic Management of where people of different gender identities should go. What are they supposed to do . I dont think this is about bathrooms at all. I think its about equal rights. Transgender people dont want special rights. We want equal protection under the law. Mostly what we want is to be left alone. If we can be left alone, wed like to be treated with love. You know how to create the perfect situation, just stop. Stop coming up with these laws. Theres been no reported signs of any incidents over the last several years. Law very much like the one which president obama put into action
last night has been on the books in california for two and a half years now with no incidents whatsoever. I say maybe these people are really not trying. Maybe is issue is not bathrooms at all. Now theyre trying to rile up people against transgender people and its not right and its not fair. Travis, tell her what bathroom she should use. Im not sure. Just answer that question. I think people she would not be comfortable or not cause problem if she walked into a mens room. Should she walk into a mens room. People with use path rooms according to biological sex with people with a genuine issue. What should transgender person who identifies as a woman, what should they do . They can use the bathroom of their biological sex exsecept wn theres a genuine issue. You cant answer. Someone that can have an issue related to this issue. This allows for abuse. All of a sudden what would be the abuse . A boy who says im expressing myself as a girl, locker room is open to them. Whats the worst case . The worst case is what were going to have under the Obamas Administration guidance is youll have boys around the country saying im a girl today. Where has that happened . That is never going to happen. Its already happening inSchool Districts. No its not. Give me an example. You have girl who is are uncomfortable. What School District . In the chicago area. You have girl who is are uncomfortable there. Sufficient to ban together and sue. Where has that happened . University of toronto. The guy was in there filming the girls. This does happen. The gender neutral policy in canada, thats the best you can do. I mean, this is a solution in search of a problem. I would suggest that we do is what my mother, a republican, evangelical christian suggest we do, is open your hearts. Travis, if you had a child who was transgender, im glad you recognize the existence of
gender disphoria as a real issue. We dont deserve to be humiliated or treated with anything other than love. This is not going to open the door to boys in girls bathrooms. Thats a hallucination that the right has come up with in order to scare people. Its not necessary. Which should jenny do if she was visiting North Carolina right now . Should she go to the mens room . Youre dodging the toughest question. What do you want people to behave like . Its not a matter of what i want. What should she do . Go to mens room. A private business can do whatever they want. Should she go to the mens room or ladies room. Its a single use bathroom. That means nothing. Im a woman. I have an f on my drivers license. I have the anatomy of a woman. Because my birth certificate says m, that makes me unsafe. Transgender people do not deserve to be made more unsafe. Were talking about a small but unfairly maligned group of people who want to be left alone. We wish to be treated like anybody else. Thats what the Obama Administrations policy does. It says the title nine applies to transgender people as well. We are covered by the law. Okay. I think we have to end it. I agree with her that everyone should be treated with love and respect. Thats a human basic. People have different issues. Theyre not arguing disrespectful. People love people and have different issues. Seems odds that you would want her show up in mens room that you go to. Do you think its appropriate . Should she go to your mens room . Yes or no. We have to respect the privacy rights. Youre dodging the question. He is dodging the question. It is a simple question. Ill be the ladys room. Thanks very much. Thank you, both. I think you both had different persons. Thank you. Im rooting for you. Up next, a preview of this coming. General election match up and the question, why does scandal seem to stick to the clintons while it rolls off donalds back. This is hardball, place for politics. At allbank, no brancs equals great rates. Its a fact. Kind of like grandkids equals free tech support. Oh, look at you, so great to see you none of this works. Come on in. Nobodys hurt, but there will still be pain. It comes when your Insurance Company says theyll only pay three quarters of what it takes to replace it. What are you supposed to do . Drive three quarters of car . Now if you had Liberty Mutual new car replacement, youd get your whole car back. I guess they dont want you driving around on three wheels. Smart. With L