Bloomberg. Com. Until tomorrow, we say to you, sayonara. Coming up, hardball with Chris Matthews. Powder keg. Lets play hardball. Good evening. Im Chris Matthews in my home town of philadelphia. A city getting fired up to nominate Hillary Clinton for president of the United States. Well, tonight the double barreled threats to this country and to our leaders are clear and present. A terrorism that stalks us in the headlines. The loss of economic livelihood that undercuts the American Dream that drives children from their home town, searching for Something Better than mere survival. Donald trump is out there today offering to meet the terrorist threat with an eye for an eye
message, promising to ditch clinton passed trade policies in favor of a tough new economic nationalism. Bernie sanders still very much in the fight, warns that unless democrats put up their economic dukes, trump is headed for an historic electoral upset. In other words if the party of fdr and harry truman enough fight for this battle, the economic nationalists will. Nobody will be out this hot summer standing for come place ency. The battle will go to the party, the person kick them in the butt mention that rings true. And nobody believes we can beat terrorism by hunkering down and waiting it out. Nobody believes we can save and grow real american jobs with another string of trade deals signed by people in white shirts, bright ties and smiles. These are tough times for a country looking for tough leaders. Is it trump . Is it hillary . Or is it someone else waiting to
come forthwith a message and a conviction that takes our breath away . With that we go to the hard news just in. Donald trump hit the themes of trade and terror in his speech in maine today. I want to terminate the deal and do a good deal. And thats all i want. I want to bring jobs back to our country, money back to our country. Then they say well whos a trait war . Were already losing a trade war. She hasnt done anything about whats going on. Isis was formed during her tenure. Isis is now worse than ever. Isis is looking strong. Isis is signing up people over the internet. They know how to use the internet better than we do and we do nothing about anything. Theyre taking our youth. Nbc, hallie, it seems like the trump line of attack is clear. He is the one ready to bring fire back to those stealing our
jobs, threatening with us terrorism. Hillary is the status quo. He is saying it so clearly. She is the candidate of the current trade deals like nafta and tpp because she was for it before and she has to defend exist tense, i suppose because she is a democrat, of isis. He is clearly saying, im the change. She is the one things are. Best as and miss it as anyone can be. And reading off the teleprommer, staying on script. That is his message. He is change. She is status quo. It seems to be resonating like the ones here in and around bangor, maine. It happen gone republican since 1988. But trump hoping to peel away at least one electoral vote here. His message is resounding. He can renegotiate these bad deals and he is the one who can be toughest on terror trying to outtough Hillary Clinton. Great. Is he back to the solid stuff
like economic nationalism . Trade or terrorism . Basically, economic nationalism, patriotism in a rough way . Is he back on that course from bashing people ethnically like he was doing a couple weeks go a with that judge he called a mexican . He hasnt stepped into hot water since then but he hasnt shied away from it either. We were on the phone earlier this week, myself and donald trump. He used that name for Elizabeth Warren, poke hontas. Really trying to hit Hillary Clinton hard. Hitting some of his gop rivals saying if they tone endorse him, they should not be allowed to run for public office. His supporterser, he was introduced by howie carr. Talking about war and made war whoop motion with his hand in his mouth. It was echoed by some in the
audience. He is the one that that, she doesnt look sueish. He has already played that ethnic game before. Not with pocahonsat but saying she had some nativeamerican roots. Donald trump went after the chamber of commerce. Lets watch that. The u. S. Chamber of commerce is totally controlled by the special interest groups. And theyre a special interest that want to have the deals that they want to have. They want to have tpp, transpacific partnership. One of the worst deals. The worst deal since nafta. It will drain the rest of your businesses out of maine. It will be the worst deal since nafta. Let me bring in my guests. John, you first. This is an interesting development. You have two outsiders. Bernie sanders still in the
field right now. At least for a while saying Hillary Clinton and the democrats better get their act together because donald trump will steal their lunch if they tone move on the issue of economic nationalism and trade deals. On the other hand, you have trump out there selling it stronger than ever. It is fair with me. He makes some good points with who those guys look out for. I think his populist message, if he gets away from the ethnic crap, and there is no better way to say it. Going after people because of their parents ethnic back grounds. I think he gets to the brexit vote, he starts to have the same feelings a lot of the brits have. Trumps message is very, very powerful politically. 60 of Republican Voters do not hike these trade deals. They dont like free trade. So it is very politically popular. I think what a lot of leaders
are worried about, it doesnt work very well. You dont want to go into protectionism. It will slow down the economy and more people lose their jobs. We do have unemployment at 4. 7 . Were not going completely down the tubes. What do you say to the guy in scranton or eerie, they see all their friends have left town. The only people working in town are doctors and lawyers. Except for the professions, there are no jobs. People are from those parts of the country. Theyre not there anymore. I mean, i wonder whether trump is the only guy, and of course, Bernie Sanders. Bernie sanders talks to those people but i dont think he gets the nationalist piece. We americans are not being looked out for. He is more of a philosopher, a socialist, he calls himself rather than saying, america is getting screwed around. Im getting shoved around. We have to shove back. I think thats right. And i think if you talk about, for example, the steel industry. China is dumping steel all over the world and it is putting americans out of work and has been for quite a while. So trump has the message for people in ohio, michigan, who really rely on the steel industry. Indiana. I think that message politically works very well for him. Lets talk about the other barrel of his attack. Yesterday donald trump said we should issue a more Aggressive Campaign against the terror groups. We have to be so strong, fight so viciously and violently. Were dealing with violent people. Vicious people. Sth we have laws to uphold. We have laws. We cant do waterboarding. But they can chop off heads, do whatever they want to do. And they eat dinner like us. Can you imagine them sitting around the table or wherever theyre eating their dinner, talking about the americans dont do waterboarding and yet we chop off heads. They probably think were weak, were stupid, we dont know what were doing. We have no leadership. You know, you have to fight fire with fire. You know, definitely, you and i talked same way when were off the air. Trump, whatever you think of him. A lot of people dont like him at all and theres good reason not to. He talks like a regular guy. He doesnt talk like hes at the council for foreign relations. When he talks about the enemy sitting around laughing at us. Whether they do it or not. And he has no idea what theyre talking about in the dinner table in kabul or istanbul or anywhere else. But it sounds like a guy on
route 40 in some place where they sell chops. This is the way people talk. And hes talking like that. How does hillary respond . How do the democrats catch up to that american identity angry at the world for causing us to be scared. People dont like being scattered. Youre right. Usually it occurs in primaries. A long, long time ago when i work for dick again hart, he was raising his fist about union jobs being run out of the country. And generally thats a conversation that occurs inside the democratic party. Here you have a role reversal. Hillary clinton is playing the role of a president. She is being reasoned, restrained, rational, all the things you want a leader to be. Meanwhile donald trump is giving voice to the emotions and the vengeance that so many people feel and the frustration that many feel on the terrorism side that we seem to be not making
very much progress. Even though if you look at it. Have we been too sophisticated is this saying we learned in grad school that trade is good. We should make it in countries where people work for less. But what happens, guys coming out of high school, looking for jobs. The jobs were someplace he will. Women well let them make the them. Okay. We dont make textiles. They make they will in the south, in china, indonesia, somewhere else. We dont make anything anymore. How do people get jobs making things then if we dont make them . I think we may have gotten very sophisticated. Trump is laying, lets not go
past eighth grade on this. At the end of the day, america has a choice to make. You can get shoes made for 65 cents an hour instead of paying someone in a union to do in it maine or some place where they used to make shoes. The reason did you that before was because you valued the middle which is a and you wanted to create middle class where people who made shoes could send their kids to college. We dont value that anymore. The union jobs have left. The manufacturing jobs, it could sustain the middle which is a. They pay 6, 8, 10 an hour and thats a judgment society has made, or allowed it to be made, that donald trump is tapping into. I agree with what steve saying. Through last 20 years when i
worked on the hill, i saw this argument increasingly take hold among republicans. Specially constituents who are getting sick and tired of the trade drills. Trump is making dwut arguments. Hillary clinton is making intellectual, a pumts would be better in an ivory tower. The problem it is defendanting it. I think you guys are smart. Ill say that. I think youre smart. Coming up, no claim on responsibility for yesterdays terror attack in turkey. The cia expects isis to try a
similar attack. What is being done to keep this country safe, if enough. Next, up next, the same forces, the gut forces weve been talking about, it could end up itti. How could they campaign trumps running right now . After it worked so well. He is back in the fight this week. Pay attention. Trump is off his bad time. He is back in the fight. Pay attention. And probe will be campaigning with Hillary Clinton next week. That might help. He is the status quo. In eight years hes gone from thinking, he may be the best in november. He could be up. Final question. Who is the lead here will peace the down the powder keg of terrorism and lost american jobs . This is hardball, the place for politics. Your Insurance Company wont replace the full value of your totaled new car. The guy says, you picked the wrong insurance plan. No, i picked the wrong Insurance Company. With new car replacement, well replace the full value of your car plus depreciation. Liberty mutual insurance. Hei dont want one thats haded a big wreck just say, show me cars with no accidents reported
find the cars you want, avoid the ones you dont plus you get a free carfax® report with every listing i like it start your used car search at carfax. Com john mccain spoke today about the state of politics today. He injected some classic mccain humor when it came to this unpredictable 2016 president ial race. If you believe that donald trump is going to be the nominee and you believe that Bernie Sanders was going to come close, please raise your hand. If you just raised your hand, please dont drive an automobile in the metropolitan area. You are a danger to yourself and others. Youre crazy. Just happening. Bernie sanders. Its a drone you control with your brain, which controls your thumbs, which control this joystick. No, im actually over at the ge booth. Were creating the Operating System for industry. Its called predix. Its gonna change the way the world works. Ok, im telling my brain to tell the drone to get you a copy of my resume. Umm, maybe keep your hands on the controller. Look out ohhhhhhhhhh. You know what, im just gonna email it to you. Yeah thats probably safer. Ok, cool. The ones who want tott see it all. Hear it all. And feel it all. All summer long. Jeep renegade its how we live 4 by 4 summer. Its been more than 24 hours since three suicide attackers armed with guns wanted entered into the ataturk airport in istanbul and activated bombs. There are at least 41 victims now and more than 230 wounded. In other words, 40 are dead. That death toll does not include the threaten suicide bombers themselves. While there is no current claim of responsibility, the prime of turkey has said the indications are isis carried out this attack. Isis. Hate today, president obama a trip to canada offered turkey any Assistance Available and then he had this to say. Were still learning all the facts. But we know this is part of our broader shared fight against terrorist networks. And we will continue to work closely with turkey to rout them out. Meanwhile well do what is necessary to protect our people. Back here in the u. S. , the
cia director john brennan is the guy listen to. Speaking to the council on foreign relations, he said he thinks isis was responsible and warned that they most likely want to conduct a similar allege scale attack in the u. S. Heres what he said. It would be surprising to me that isil is not trying to hit us, both in the region as well as our homeland. Richard, the other day you really gave us some great reporting on the fact 35 people from the isis operation, killers, had been moved into syria with the idea of being time released capsules. They have a mission, all of them, to commit some sort of horror. Do we have that same type of intelligence level about people coming into our country . No is the simple answer. Not that im aware of, i should
say. I got this piece of intelligence about two weeks ago that there was a major concern that something was going to happen in turkey during the month of ramadan because isis had deployed more than 35 of its militants from syria into turkey. With the objective of carrying out attacks. It was never cheer whether or not they would carry out attacks exclusively during ramadan in turkey or into turkey with the objective of moving on to other targets. Using this to get to europe or the United States. So the question im asking, there were three militants who died in suicide bombings. What about the 30 plus who remain unaccounted for just from that batch that was dispatched
by isis . That is a concern. I think people should be having. And i know u. S. Officials are concerned that there could be followon attacks in turkey at the very least. I know youre the west Foreign Correspondent around but ill ask you to reach out to back home. When you read the newspapers about what the candidates are saying, what do you make of this argument that it could have an eye for an eye approach . Is there a, a real tough kick butt antterrorist person, what would a tougher hine be . Well, its talking on and berth this, to counter terrorism
officials and they think that you do need to be tough. That isis needs to be attacked in its homeland. This is not a group you can negotiate with. That is now happening to a sads forces doing some damage, the iraqi army, Shiite Militia is doing some of and it u. S. Air strike doing it. Most people believe that more of that needs to be done and needs to be done in a more organized way. So there is an argument to be made for getting tough. This is an argument for getting tough in this country that turkey, for too long, turned a blind eye to isis militants who were transiting through. But that said, most people that i speak to, who know a lot about this subject, trumps approach
is metly counter productive. That it alienates people. An end has crusade against islam and it plays into the hands of isis recruiters. So you can be tough without being politically bombastic and frankly, xenophobic and racist. I always expect to hear something great from you and you just did it. Thanks so much. Istanbul. Lets turn to the analyst, an author of defeating isis. The big question to you. The sap one. Can you assess the Terror Threat that we just heard from the cia director, brennan, in terms of what just happened in turkey . Is it as clear and immediate a threat as were hearing the reporting coming from richard engel, there will be more trouble there in turkey. Do we have the same same this
month, next month . Well, the level of threat that weve had going to the United States has not changed in the last twoer. Isis is an Expeditionary Force and an operational force. They want to carry out in the United States. Where they can be in istanbul this is a group you understand pressure. Theyre like a ball of mercury. Theyre trying to create as much mayhem as possible. Whats the downside for them besides the loss of the individual hives of the terrorists which they seem to be willing to expand so much going in our country including the fourng and all the big
combinations of people. We all know that. What is the town. The terrorists objective is to create terror and to get you to make concessions that would you never make in a normal society. To change the fabric of your society. Thats the beauty of a group like isis. We can kill them by the thousands and we are killing them by the thousands on the battlefield. It only takes one or two of them to do an attack which is so heinous, as we saw in orlando, in order for to us tear ourselves apart. Thats part of their objective. How do we tear ourselves apart . How does that work . Well, politically. Right now. We see that we have two Political Parties here. One of which is hit rally saying we should give up all american values. That we