Transcripts For MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews 20160701

MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews July 1, 2016 23:00:00

You the impression they are everywhere, they can strike in the socalled hearts of enemies. Even if thats not necessarily the case. Laith alkhouri, thank you for being here. That does it for our coverage this hour. Im kate snow. Hardball starts right now. Trump attacks left and right. Lets play hardball. Good evening. Im chris matthews. We are covering the hostage situation in bangladesh, of course, where as many as nine gunmen have taken hostages at a cafe in that diplomatic zone of the capital city. But our big story again tonight is political. Its here at home. Donald trump, whether youre gaga for him or terrified against him is something we havent seen quite before. Hes taking on the big business types who love getting cheap labor here or even cheaper abroad. Hes taking on the liberals and also the business types who love loose borders, taking on the neocons and other hawks, the bushes and others who look for every chance to jam us into yet another foreign war. This week, his focus was economic nationalism. Were being destroyed by trade which we will talk about. We are being destroyed at our borders. Tpp will destroy you, folks. It will destroy you. It will take any vestige we have left in our country, it will destroy you. People are sick and tired of being ripped off with our jobs leaving our states, with our jobs leaving our country, with the money. They get the money, they get the jobs. We get nothing. We are going to put america first. I have to say it. We dont put america first. We dont put america first. We dont put america first. And we have to. Globalization has made the financial elite who donate to politicians very, very wealthy. But its left millions of our workers with nothing but poverty and heartache. The u. S. Chamber of commerce is totally controlled by the special interest groups, folks. Just so you understand it. Trumps out there rallying, sick of lost industrial jobs, sick of seeing their kids leaving home, looking for work thats nowhere to be found, sick of their sons and daughters being sent into the middle east to screw with another regime change. Sick of nothing being done about illegal immigration. And this, what hes saying, what hes selling as only trump can do is why, despite all his zany comments about mexican judges and cracks about attacks from mexican airplanes and because of his nasty call for an eye for an eye approach to terrorism is why hes threatsening Hillary Clinton in places that used to be safe like pennsylvania which nbc today switched from leaning democrat to tossup. And why the dangerous world with yet another terrorist attack today, this time in bangladesh, trump may be on the way back from a slump. Eugene robinson from the the Washington Post and robert costas, National Political reporter for Washington Post, and good for us, msnbc political analysts. It does seem he had a terrible two or three weeks because he went off into the crazy thicket of zaniness, the mexican judge. Nou t you know the story. Yet when he gets back to economic nationalism thats his bread and butter, its about jobs, fear of immigration, fear of bad trade deals, fear of losing your children. You are up in scranton, in erie, pennsylvania, living on Social Security and medicare, im describing most people up there. They are older. What do they want . Their kids to be living close enough to them that they can visit once in awhile. Not be running desperately off to the southwest or some place else for a job and a life. What got trump to this point, i think basically two issues. This economic nationalism and immigration. In some ways, i think immigration may be the more visceral of the two issues but theres certainly appeal in communities, rust belt communities that have been left behind that are not participants in globalization in a meaningful way. Certainly arent getting anything out of it. Just objectively, not getting anything out of it. People there are desperate. We should all get outside the beltway more. I agree with that. David brooks did in his column today. It seems to me that hes not running as mr. Chamber of commerce type. Hes not running from the rotary. Hes running from, hes against the big shots. Im not going to say everybody on the left will say im cheering for the guy but theres Something Different going on. Its a crosscut hes attacking. Anybody with clout, he seems to be against even though hes mr. Bigtime himself. We are watching the crumbling of this republican consensus that has been in place at least since george w. Bush, ford interventionism, supply side tax cuts. Trumps taking an axe to that. Youre right. Its everything w, the president , pushed for. He was good on immigration. He was positive on it. He was big on foreign wars, right . And he was a free trader. Thats right, he was running as w. He is. Hes running as w, running against what frankly has been the consensus of the establishments of both parties, right . Not the tax stuff but certainly interventionism and certainly free trade. One thing the Republican Party politically, its losing, i mean, look at the polling on congress, republican congress. Its there. Youre right. After ronald reagan, you saw the rise of pat buchanan and populist conservatisconservatis. You saw the rise of the tea party, this anger about the banks being bailed out. But it never became a coherent Political Movement until you had the celebrity candidate, donald trump, step to the fore. Theres a new, to get back to what i said, new nbc news map showing the updated battleground states. These are the states that are going to decide the election, nbc thinks. Overindustrial states like new hampshire. Not a big state but pivotal. Pennsylvania which is pivotal. Ohio, of course. Michigan, wisconsin. By the way, those two are considered still leaning democrat. What do you make of that . Pennsylvania has always been the state that republicans sort of lust for, if you will. They go thats the one were going to grab. Like fools gold. You dont think they will get it this time . I think pennsylvania is tough. Theres something about pennsylvania. You look at it, they always i can do this. You are from there. They always think they will get it. Because they feel when they go up in the 50 or 60 some counties in pennsylvania, 60 are conservative. Philadelphia county, heres what happens. Mr. October, president obama, will go to philadelphia, he will go to north philly, to germantown, to northeast philly, to west philly, to the burbs, delaware, montgomery and bucks county and in every area, he will zoom up the vote. He will just do it. He will pull in a half million coming out of southeastern pennsylvania. Youre laughing because it will break the heart of the right wingers. He can do that. The test for the trump this month with trying to get back on script with the Vice President ial pick is can he convince the suburban voters outside of pittsburgh and philadelphia that its socially acceptable, that its okay to be publicly for trump. For now, a lot of those voters and the obama people know this, obama can fly in and say trumps not part of your lifestyle. Hes not like you politically. He also has to break into the union guys, police and firemen. Lot of irish guys in northeastern philadelphia, that last pocket up there of republicanism. Hes got to get that, too. If hes going to stop that, he will have to offer minorities and liberals and big city people are minorities and liberals, generally. Anyway, yesterday donald trump says he feels like hes running against two political parties. Lets watch this crosscut thing hes doing which makes him interesting. You know, when you have guys like bill chrystal who has been calling it wrong on me for two years, when you have all these guys. It was a rough primary, they got beat up but they went after me, too. Beat them up and now they dont want to endorse, and you know, its almost in some ways like im running against two parties. There hes taking on the super hawk vote. Smart guy, has a lot of influence but is a hawk. Meanwhile, today in colorado, sarah palin issued a warning to republicans who arent backing trump. The antitrump crowd. Here she goes. That gang they call themselves the never hash tag, whatever, okay. Well, i just call them republicans against trump or r. A. T. For short. We are talking about the direction of our country, our childrens future, the direction of the supreme court, all of this hinging on the next election, and at such a time as this, you cannot be lukewarm. We are going to take our country back and you are either with us or you are against us. What do you think that stands right now . Is that too old . Is that yesterday or is that tina fey, get ready for saturday night live . Because i think shes compelling. Theres something about her, i dont ignore her. I dont know what it is. I think shes beyond that phase of her political career. I think the novelty is gone. Theres a set of people to whom she really appeals. Theres a set of people to whom she is tina fey. She is a joke. And you know, look, i dont see donald trump going out of his way to get that much closer to sarah palin. I think she adds tremendous performance ability. The way she moves her voice, she moves it up and down, theres one of her octaves which is pure sarcasm where she makes fun of liberals. She has a lot of talent that way. Im sure youre all laughing at her. Remember the last scene of the movie game change where a mccain advisor says she will be forgotten in a few weeks and you start hearing the chants . This is what we are seeing. The palin pick in 2008, a few years later, shes still around. Jeff sessions, palin, these economic nationalists are controlling the Republican Party. I like Woody Harrelson playing Steve Schmidt who says she doesnt know anything. Im not an elitist but that was a funny line. Thank you. Coming up, terror in dhaka, bangladesh. Bad news happening again, hostages held in a bakery this time as an isis News Agency Reports the group claims responsibility. Looks like an isis operation. Hardball returns after this. Tt nice and soft. But grandma, we use charmin ultra soft so we dont have to wad to get clean. Mmm, cushiony. And we can use less. Charmin ultra soft gets you clean without the wasteful wadding. It has comfort cushions you can see that are softer. And more absorbent, and you can use up to 4 times less. Remember, thats charmin in there. No wasteful wadding we all go. Why not enjoy the go with charmin. So guys with ed can. Take viagra when they need it. 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Of course, as many as nine gunmen stormed a popular restaurant in the diplomatic zone of the countrys capital. An unknown number of people are being held hostage right now. The isis affiliated news agency, by the way, said the terror group itself was responsible for the attack. It looks like an isis operation. This is the second major terrorist attack this week. On tuesday of course three men blew themselves up in istanbuls main airport. 44 people were killed. Im joined by malcolm nance once again, executive director of the terror asymmetrics project and terrorism analyst, laith alkhouri, director of north African Research at flashpoint and msnbc terrorism analyst and nashanranor. What do we know . Well, there are a lot of details we dont know. As you said, eight to ten gunmen apparently have stormed into a very popular eatery in a very upscale neighborhood in the capital of dhaka and they have kept an undetermined number of hostages, many of whom are foreigners. What would be the motive . Let me go to malcolm on this. What would be the motive for taking hostages . That puts you in a barricade situation by definition. You are surrounded by definition. You have hostages, something to negotiate with, by definition, but what does that yield for somebody if they planned it this way . Well, hostage barricades are about gaining concessions in the traditional sense of hostage barricades. We live in a world now where there is no traditional hostage barricade, where you have an armed criminal or armed group that wants to make a point and get a concession, perhaps escape. We are in the world of suicide hostage barricade, where it is an international spectacle, they hold hostages and then they mass murder the hostages and themselves. What they want is they want what we are giving them right now. They want global Media Exposure and they are getting it and then only along their own timeline will they determine they have had enough. Well, if thats the accurate prescription here, what is the plan . Whats the prescription . Do you have to rush them . Well, in the circumstance like this, thats going to be completely dependent on the capacity of the rapid action brigade of the bangladeshi paramilitary forces, or if they can get some assistance, external assistance by the indians or even support from the United States for advice on how to do a direct assault on that facility. Thats a linear assaulted building. There is just one wide open area. The hostages are all going to be amassed on the floor. The terrorists will be up there surrounding them. Its just going to be a blood bath if they go in a traditional method. There may have already been a short assault that wounded or killed several of the bangladeshi officers. This is going to take expertise and they are going to have to do it relatively fast, because the terrorists are going to get antsy and then once they have reached their peak of patience, then they are going to either extract a concession or they will start killing hostages to get their point across. Your thinking about this in terms of coordination, what does it tell you about the level to which this is coming from an organized terrorist group . Well, just in comparison to the previous attacks that v unfolded in bangladesh in the past eight to ten months, this seems to be the most coordinated of all of them. Not only the most coordinated, this seems to have targeted also a large crowd of people while previously, there were assassinations targeting between one and three people. So this seems to be more sophisticated. Its involving more attackers, its clearly aimed at foreigners or what they refer to as western targets. But so yeah, the level of coordination and sophistication has risen indeed. Let me go back, is this an attempt to reach western people, expats, diplomats, people like that, people with money, people with foreign relatives . People with influence, people who want to save from outside . The neighborhood where this is happening is sort of the kind of epicenter of power and wealth, where a lot of the diplomats live. Its targeting both foreigners but also the wellheeled society. Sort of like georgetown . Thats a very accurate description. Beautiful, leafy, very tranquil place in a city thats otherwise chaotic and teeming. I do think bangladesh is a country offset by poverty in most cases but also bad flooding and difficult lowlying land and stuff like that. It exists on the periphery of the american imagination in many ways but remember, its a huge country. Its a modern islamic country, too. It has more muslims than any middle eastern country. I wanted to bring that up earlier. Because i remember the break between east and west pakistan which was itself a result of petitioning of south asia. Malcolm, on fourth of july, what do you feel . Whats your instincts tell you about our situation here coming into the fourth of july week . Any time i see a terrorist attack internationally, the first thing i think of is that u. S. Law enforcement needs to understand that some attacks are done for strategic purposes on another part of the planet in order to draw your attention to that attack. And you may think that you are increasing security but what it may actually be in fact is another left hook coming from another direction to strike in your country. So we had the attack in istanbul, now this coming out attack of potentially isis in bangladesh. We should be taking no chances. That being said, the American Public should understand that isis is not their travel agent. Isis should not be able to determine whether we can celebrate our holidays peacefully. Thats Law Enforcement and intelligences job and we should celebrate this holiday as best as we can. Laith, how do you see the fact that isis claimed credit for this but not for turkey . Whats the thinking here . Do you trust them when they say its theirs . Do we take it as credible or do we wonder why they dont take credit for some . How do you look at the truth or reality here . Look, isis sometimes releases statements on attacks that it did not actually direct or orchestrate simply to capitalize on the frenzy and exploit it for propaganda purposes. It seems likely now that isis might have a bigger involvement than previously thought. Theres a confusion whether isis or al qaeda were behind it or some

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