Go to politics. Com right now for the details on trumps trip to mexico. Nicole will be here tomorrow. I may not be. Oh, no is it something i said . Well be together. Dont worry. Virtually. Until tomorrow. Hardball with Chris Matthews is next. Trumps big game in mexico. Lets play hardball. Good evening im in for Chris Matthews. We are waiting for trumps big immigration speech said to come later tonight from air air. There are lots of Unanswered Questions about where exactly trump stands on deportation
forces on, what to do with the millions of immigrants who are here illegally now and where he stands on the question of birth right citizenship. Trump is promising details on all those questions in tonights speech. First it was a wild day on the Trump Campaign with a visit to mexico city. This was a surprise visit. It was announced late last night. Then this afternoon trump met with mexican president Enrique Pena Nieto who has in the path compared him to adolf hitler and mussolini. Were not in agreement on all topics. I had a conversation with mr. Trump that was open and constructive. It is a great honor to be invited by you, mr. President. A great, great honor. I happen to have a tremendous feeling for mexican americans. Not only in terms of friendships but in terms of the tremendous numbers that i employ in theUnited States. And they are amazing people. Trump defended the sovereign right. Those were his words. The sovereign right of the United States to build a border wall. Reporters asked about the wall and about trumps past criticism of the Mexican Government. We didnt discuss payment of the wall. That will be a later date. A lot of the things i said are very strong. We have to discuss whats happening. There is a lot of crime and a lot of problems. I think together well solve our problems. There has maybe been a poor misunderstanding or statement thats have maybe hurt, unfortunately, the mexicans have felt offended by had a has been said. But i am certain that his genuine interest is in building a relationship that will provide our mutual societies improved
well being. Heres an interesting twist though. President pena nieto later tweeting that he told trump in their private meeting mexico will not pay for the proposed border wall. Trump saying in that press conference that it didnt come up. Back in the states, Hillary Clinton addressing trumps visit to mexico with these not so veiled comments. You dont build a coalition by insulting our friends or acting like a loose cannon. You do it by putting in the slow, hard work of building relationships. Getting countries, working together was my job every day as your secretary of state. Its more than a photo op. It takes consistency and reliability. And it certainly takes more than trying on make up for a year of insults and insinuations. By dropping in on our neighbors for a few hours and then flying
home again. Thats not how it works. Trumps visit didnt sit well with many mexicans including former mexican president fox. She is not welcome in mexico. We dont want him. We reject his visit. I dont understand why president pena has offered this opportunity. I think it is nothing more than a political stunt. Trump is using mexico is using president pena to boost his sinking poll numbers. Later tonight as we mentioned, trump is set to issue a speech about immigration in phoenix. Phoenix is where Halle Jackson is. It played out south in mexico
today. A lastminute trip. It was not announced until very latest last night. What does the Trump Campaign feel i accomplished . Reporter this was an opportunity for donald trump to getum with another head of state and to look frankly, president ial. To put on this stage craft that would allow him to pull off what some skeptics doubted he could. A commander in chief. Part of this was to create an opportunity to coincide with his immigration speech tonight. Talk about the wall of talk about mexico. Talks about what he wants to do when it comes to immigration with the people hes often gone after. You remember his announcement speech when he said the rapists, criminals, and then added some of them are good people. It was such a fascinating moment to see from trump. This lastminute presentation. Puck it off under a shroud of secrecy. Officials warn that moving so quickly was enadvisable. It was a security concern. Trump did it anyway. There is now some real fallout. From the beginning, trump said he would build a wall and who is going to pay for it . Mexico, right . Thats what we hear at all the rallies. Now, president pena nieto said he is not paying for it. Thats not what donald trump. During his join statement. He said the issue payment never came up. How can he put with it the very fiery tone we often see from trump on the campaign trail . It is sort of yin and yang how they fit goat a key big day for his campaign. Thats the question. Obviously as you say, his campaign was looking to present
a president ial tone in terms of how he perform down there in mexico city. This is a candidate you know better than anybody else. You put him in front of a crowd that wants the red meat. He seems to rise to the occasion. What is your read of it . What are they looking for . Reporter he cant resist fix didnt know it would be a policy speech. This is a typical trump rally. Big room, lots of people. The staging is set up the same way. This is the energetic crowd. Presumably later tonight. It is still a couple hours away. This is what he loves to do. Tie that with what has been billed as a major policy speech on immigration and i think there will be some interesting moments. I want to see how the crowd reacts to the discussion of the wall and to the other big question that is still lingering out there. What is he going to do with the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants . Will he deport every one of them
and allow some to come back . These are questions that have not been made clear . So it is still feels like a rally. And they would say, it is not realistic or practical to deport all 11 million. And he would say no, were going to get rid of all 11 million. That audience, trump voters in general, do you think he has bought himself any wiggle room with them to get off that hard line posture . Calle reporter i do and heres why. Weve been back and forces all over the border. Talking with supporters, people who have come to support trump. One woman said to jacob, there is nothing jake could say that would make me challenge my support for him. He has people hard core support him no matter what. They are fiercely loyal. Thats what weve seen again and
again. That trump shifts on a position and frankly, the people in the rallies dont seem to care. The other thing is this. When you talk about donald trump and what he will do with these 11 million undocument immigrants, his campaign is saying one thing and he is saying another. Even those who support him. Members of his hispanic advisory council. Even they say wholesale mass deportation is unrealistic. It is not a realistic solution. We are encouraged by seeing donald trump begin to shift. I had one guy on the council say, if donald trump shifts, thats actually leadership. That shows he has been listening to what people want and he is processing that. And he has worked it into a policy that is changing a bit or modifying it. Heres what he wont move is zurg border and the border wall. He will be hard and fast on that. It is hard to see how he could pull back on that given how he has made that a central part of the campaign. Well be seeing a lot from you tonight. With news of Donald Trumps visit to mexico city leaking very late last night, critics saw it a its a risky move. It never comes across as a quality you want in a president that youre sitting in a room and a guy at breitbart says lets to go mexico ask youre off. This usually starts in a fraternity house. It is as if they woke up and said, were running against a former secretary of state. Our guy used to do the misuniverse pageant around the world. Maybe we should try on heavy this up. Did it pay off for trump . Ill joined by heidi, senior political reporter for usa
today. Were just hearing from the hallie jackson. They think they create a president ial moment. You have to get over that president ial they shall hole. Yeah, i can see you as president. An event like this, having a somber tone, maybe help him. I think many of us were this and we thought this is fraught with peril. Here donald trump is at the last minute basically flying into the den of the man who has likened his rhett troik hitler and mussolini and he will use this as an opportunity to score his own domestic political points by rapping trump. That didnt happen. None of it happened. He was so plight. And he almost handed trump this on a silver platter. He gave him a diplomatic opportunity to repackage himself
to an American Public that has been kind of skeptical of his ability to stand on a stage. Special hey fortune leader from mexico given the rhetoric. Not only that but even the back drop itself that they chose looked almost like a United Nations very diplomatic back drop. So i certainly dont think he hurt himself. He may have helped himself for certain with some of the independent vote heres by the way are already starting to shift back a little bit. His way. Ask thats because of the Clinton Foundation struggles. I think he may have helped himself a little bit with that. I dont speck any Major Movement in the polls until we have the first debate. This is something that would normally be a box that a candidate like trump would want to check i have been guch that
he doesnt have foreign policy. It is a win for him. We mentioned the campaign. The Clinton Campaign. The tweet said he told trump he will not be paying for the wall. And john poddesto said, it turngs out trump didnt just choke. He got beat in the room and lied about it. That was the question. At the very end of the event. It wasnt designed to be a press conference. By custom, if youre not president of the United States, youre not taking questions from the press. Trump did allow a question. Thats when he made the comment, we did not talk about the wall. The wall is for something later. On that set off some skeptical reactions. How can you campaign on this and not bring it up . Now you have the president of
mexico saying, it did come up and i told donald trump, mexico will not be paying for it. Is that an unforced error on trumps part . No. My personal opinion is he would have been asked, whether he was asked at that press conference or a day or two from now by the media. There would have been this conflicting account of what happened in that meeting. None of us were in there. It would be a he said, em. Trump will say oh, yes. Ill still make mexico pay for the wall but its over and nobody was there to get a real account of what happened. That will be just one of a number of things that he has to anxious for. Based on what ive seen, well see a met morph sis, in terms of his policy. What he would do with those 12 million undocumented immigrants
who are here, who are not criminals. Because as you know, and as all of us who know report on immigration. It is current u. S. Policy to prioritize deportation of criminals. Thats current u. S. Policy. So donald trump will have to explain i think for people who really care about this issue, is materially different. Perhaps he will to have say, and that would be keeping with it in the past. May be were less than two hours from that speech. You. Coming up, the border war with himself. It comes a week after do not
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water, the response from the main stream media would be that he doesnt know how to swim. They are dominated by immigration. You have one candidate after another saying donald trump, it is unrealist tokyo say you will deport all 11 many. And his position over and over will be no, theyre the ones who are not leveling with you. We can and we must send all 11 million back. If he is not saying that now, that is a huge depart you. Thats not the media blowing something out of proportion. Hes been remarkably principled and consistent on the core principles. And those are two. One is that the border must be secured and were going to build a wall. Hes never wavered. And this was a key difference with Hillary Clinton now but Many Republican rivals. No path to citizenship. If you came here illegally, you committed a crime and we dont reward crime. I say this as an hispanic. The son of a latin american who
did it right way. We dont reward criminality with citizenship. Hes never wavered on that. Where is he saying there is room for consideration . What is the most sensible humane policy . How do we deal with alien who are already here . I think thats leadership. He is listening to a lot of people. You can scoff but thats leadership saying this isnt set in stone. Core principles are. How we carry them out, thats not set in stone. He is a humble man. And trump and humilities ill be the first to say those arent words you put together. He is listening to what people like me say. That same humility showed 98 mexico city where he put on a display of real statesmanship and acted as president ial as any candidate ever has. It was incredibly impressive. If what steve outlining, we can talk about the flipflop aspect and we are. That would put donald trump in a position on immigration. Taking position on immigration that is a lot more popular with the general election audience than the one he is arrest particul, he is articulating. I do not believe politicians can just change their core campaign, slogans and ideas, and then say they got to a good spot. He spent 14 months denigrating immigrants saying were going to round them up and ship them back. Weve played the tape, steve cortes. He said it again and aga