Hillary. Until tomorrow, we say to you, sayonara. Coming up next, Chris Matthews hosts a town hall of libertarian candidates. Weve got issues. People think this is a horror movie and they cant change the channel. The libertarian fikt could tip the scales. They want to kill each other. Does anyone believe that will get any better . Tonight, two nights after the most watched debate in history. He will sit down and make his case with Chris Matthews. Hive from the university of New Hampshire. The gary johnstown hall. Here now Chris Matthews. Good evening. Im Chris Matthews at the university of New Hampshire in durham. This was big a president ial debate monday night. Were here to bring two additional voices into the debate. Lets welcome the candidates for president and Vice President of the United States. Gary johnson of new mexico and former governor bill weld. Today, president obama responded to something that happened in monday nights debate. And heres the president. You had somebody who basically insulted women, and doubled down, i think, this morning, in terms of how he talks about them and talks about their weight and talks about, you know, how they look instead of the content of their character and their capabilities, which is not something, somebody i want in the oval office that my daughters are listening to. That sonls are listening to. He was talking about something Hillary Clinton brought up in the first debate last night. Lets listen to what second clinton said and how donald trump responded. And one of the worst things he said was about a woman in a beauty contest. He loves beauty contests, supporting them and hanging around them. And he called this woman miss
piggy. Then he called her miss housekeeping because she was latina. She was the winner. And she gained a massive amount of weight. And it was a problem. We had a real problem. Not only that, her attitude. And we had a real problem with her. So hillary went back into the years and she found this girl. This was many years ago. And she found the girl and talked about her like she was mother teresa. And it wasnt quite that way but thats okay. Governors, half the electorate are women. And here we have one of the candidates for president engaging in a weighin of some kind. What do you think of this from one of your opponents . Horrible. I was reading in it in the times where he accompanied her to the gym. Where he subjected her to exercising in front of the camera. I guess that was his role in the Miss Universe contest. Look, how does it get any worse . She was 18 at the time. An immigrant from venezuela. What does it tell you about mr. Trump . You know, its bad. Take a number. A lot of things are bad in his approach to things and the way he talks to people. He tries to set groups against groups. Stir up anger and resentment and even hatred. It is the opposite of how a president ial campaign should be approached. Were you surprised when i talked to him, about his position, prolife, thats the position hes taking and i said what should be done . He said there should be a punishment for a woman. I was shocked. Explain how a libertarian looks at the issue of choice. How can there be a more difficult issue than anyone is going to face . By anyone, the woman involved. That that should be the woman involveds choice, period. You dont know what youre going to get when you ask a question. The previous year, he said im prochoice, have been. Im from new york. Like broken clock, he is right twice a day. When you asked him that question, at that point in the campaign, maybe he said 50 things would have disqualified someone from being president. Now it is closer to 150. Lets talk about the other Major Campaign running against you. Former senator from new york, former first lady, a hell of a resume. But she also has a resume regarding wars. She supported regime change, she supported w. She supported getting involved militarily to knock off gadhafi in libya. She now today i believe still supports a no fly military role in syria. She seems to like u. S. Military involvement. Where do you stand with those . Should we be a countryhat get involved in regime change . We should not be involved in regime change. There have been they have polls conducted among active military personnel and ive been on top of those they have polls. And i like to think it is because of what i am saying regarding this. Were putting our military in a terrible situation. We maintain if were attacked, were going on attack back. We get ourselves involved on both sides of the issue. In syria, for example, you cant make up what happened. I dont think it was intentional. Certainly not on bushs part. This is what happens when we get involved in regime change. And governor johnson likes to point out that wars have
unintended consequences. Both economic and military and moral. I spent a lot of time abroad after the iraq invasion of 2003. Nobody can tell me that we didnt have a moral penalty for that in the world at large. And militarily, all the weapons that we arm the rebels with. The weapons wind up in the hands of isis. When we go to war, the old europeans, theyve been through 2000 years of war. And they know what a war is. Both sides lose eventually. Ive spent some time with military guys coming home. Mostly men. They come home with arms missing, blind, deaf, i met a guy both. Does anyone think about that when they put guys into combat . Wars with questionable value . So heres what im getting really emotional over. And i blew this aleppo question. I want to take full responsibility for that. What have you done to correct the fact that you didnt know what aleppo was . Forget with aleppo completely. And get to the root of what it is all what do you now appreciate . I appreciated it from the very beginning that because a politician can dot the is and cross the ts on some geographic location or the name of a foreign dictator, that in that context, now we should believe them when it comes to these interventions. And as a result of that, those interventions, our men and Service Women are getting killed, theyre getting maimed and injured for the rest of their lives. And in this case, hundreds of thousands of innocents in these countries that get caught in the cross fire of these civil wars. Is your point a resume doesnt give you discernment . Is that your point . Hillary clintons resume didnt prepare her for the right
decision . In this case, politicians that beat their chest over the fact they have a microphone. That gets stuck in their face. What are you going to do about these atrocities . The atrocities are real. What is not being realized, when we go in to support regime change, to address those atrocities, the situation ends up to be the same or worse in many situatio. What is your ticket now on the question of u. S. Involvement with syria . Troops on the ground . No. We should not. What ive been saying now for seven week, we need to involve russia in this to come to a diplomatic solution to this. Of course this cease fire that was negotiated here a week ago, it was brought with problems from the very beginning. We are supporting the Free Syrian Army but theyre arm in warm the islamists. The krurds sideways. Can we trust and rely upon him as partner in this peace effort if this is going to be one . I think gary predicted the only way out would be a cease fire involving russia to some extent. Thats what has happened and it has blown up. It didnt help that we killed 60 syrian soldiers. You have all these rebel groups. You have isis. Al nusra, everyone waiting to be the next al qaeda. And it is a complete mess. And todays news about the rocket that shot down the passenger plane in krooub came in by truck. Down the passenger plane. Goes out at night. So putin knew all about it. And thats not even taking responsibility for what you do. That makes you less inclined to say russia, lets work together. Lets get to the major thrust. If you tend to be dovish, i ten to be dovish. Should you vote for trump or hillary . Youre more dovish. Are you in on this . By dovish im all in. [ applause ] were going to get back to this im sure with the questions. Lets look at this exchange for mondays debate with 84 Million People watching. When donald trump defended his birther crusade where he said that basically president of the United States is an illegal immigrant who snuck into the country, went to college, got into the harvard law review, got everything through secretive Conspiracy Theory stuff. Here he is explaining and defending. Were talking about racial healing in this segment. What do you say to americans well, i say nothing. I say nothing. I was able to get him to produce
it. He should have produced it a long time before. I think i did a great job and a great service. Not only for the country but even for the president in getting him to produce the birth certificate. So donald trump was doing him a favor by saying show me your drivers license since youre the first africanamerican president. Thats what he was doing. So Michelle Obama spoke out on the birther issue Conspiracy Theory today. There are those who questioned and continue to question for the past eight years whether my husband was even born in this country. And let me say, hurtful, deceitful questions deliberately designed to undermine his presidency. Questions that cannot be blamed on others or swept under the rugby an insincere sentence uttered at a press conference. Trump said Hillary Clintons
people started this. What do you make of that . Based on my following story, and im not a rock thrower. I never, ever said a word about it. I always thought it was bs from the beginning. It continues to be bs. Thats the biggest grand daddy of a whopper of all. Oh, Hillary Clinton started this. Im ending it. It is pathetic. It is so palpably a lie. Why would he do it . I dont think that donald knows when the curtain is down and when the curtain is up. I think as he loose man, sometimes he seems to have a tenuous hold reality. This is a guy were going on give the football to . Please. Explain the football. The nuclear codes. Yeah. And he wants to arm japan and south korea with Nuclear Weapons so he can have more nations with Nuclear Weapons. Whoever it is, has ten minutes if there is an plert comes up. It looks like something is coming. To decide, which of the thousands of weapons were going on fire in that ten minutes, has
to decide that. He gets advice from a general. He can ask a few questions. In ten minutes, he has to decide which part of the world he is going to blow up. Which of these with candidates do you the choose . Me, me. This. Second choice. This. The when you you think trump and hillary are equally qualified to be commander in chief . No. I want some answers here. This is hardball. I dont know. That we are totally i like that. No. Hillary clinton is clearly qualified to be commander in chief and president of the United States. Donald trump is clearly not qualified. And ive encouraged him almost with affection to think some of other job or profession. And ive suggested the laundry business. Codo great in the laundry business. He has business smarts. But president of the United States is the wrong tree to be barking up for him. I think she is going on press
the button. What . Well, if confronted with that ten minutes, she will be hawkish. She will be more hawkish in that role. You think she has a happy trigger . I think she wont err on the side of not being the aggressor. Lets talk about Something Else that we probably going to have to face more immediately than nuclear which is chimt. Look at the audience. Average age, 23. I think were above the average, by the way. And theyre going to live in this climate. And we have one candidate saying there is no climate threat. Even though anyone living in massachusetts sees the water level coming up. The snows of kilimanjaro have long gone. Ive been to kilimanjaro. Theyre still a long ways. Okay. Youve been up there. Lets talk about your first hand report on the top of kilimanjaro. Do you think Climate Change is real in one the of candidates
challenging you, Hillary Clinton, says it is very real. The other says it is a home. I think it is real and we as human beings are demanding less carbon emission. Thats a good thing. And were getting it. Were 16 of the worlds carbon load. So lets not youre a libertarian. How does a libertarian avoid over regulation . If we think fossil fuel is dangerous to the environment, something has to stop that use. How do we do it . In this case, the free market has dwelt coal. The free market has bankrupted marginalized coal. 36 of the load remains coal. If you are an electrical, if you supply the electrical grid, which is currently 36 coal, youre not going to replace with it coal. Natural gas is still lower in price. So free market. Everything you want federal controls on
emissions . No i think federal government has a role to protect us against harm i put pollution in that category. So federal government setting standards, setting scientific standards. Yeah. You bet. Because of the smell or bad air . Were going to breathe it, were going to inhale it. You dont have a problem with the Government Action to deal with climate. You dont have a problem generally . That i think free market does a better job of it, chris. And ill cite for you as an example are you in on this thing . . Environmental regular slags an exception to my general libertarianism. The economy ts are so great. You cant rely on the market or an destroyed stop environmental degradation which harms all of us and avoiding harm to our fellow man. I support the Environmental Protection agency. I think it comes under the heading of doing us harm and, but for the Environmental Protection agency, there would
continue to be pollution. One thing like about libertarians, the president can disagree with the Vice President. Let me get a question. My name is brendan luke from west chester, new york. My question for governor johnson is, what you do you have to say to people that think a vote for you is a waste of a vote . That a waste of a vote is voting for someone you dont believe in. Thats a wasted vote. And right now, weve come up among young people to be tied with hillary among young people. Were leading among independents. So what i say offering a first vote to people is something were very proud of. Everybody sees this happening in the democratic party. They know youre doing well. Look at this. This was in the hill newspaper today. This democrats panicked by Third Party Candidates drawing support away from Hillary Clinton are ramping up their attacks against gary johnson and warning that a vote for a third party is a vote for donald trump. Heres president obama warning about you guys. If there is one message i want to deliver to everybody. If you dont vote, thats a vote for trump. If you dont vote. Thats a vote for trump. If you vote for a Third Party Candidate who has no chance to win, thats a vote for trump. What do you make of that . For young people. So you disagree the president. Well, yes neither one will do anything for medicaid or medicare. Im going to get my retirement but you all are going to foot that bill and you wont get
anything . Yeah. I think theres a reason young people are sporting us. So neither gli reform the situation. Nobody will reform the situation. Were headed to bankruptcy with regard to the size and scope of government. The government is too big. Whats going on this year is that both the parties, both the establishment parties in washington are trying to scare everybody thinking you have to vote for an r or a d because we have a monopoly on power. I would suggest they havent done a great job in washington getting the peoples business done. They want to kill each other. Well talk a lot about that. Well get more questions from the audience when we get back. The university of New Hampshire
we cant go back to the years of devastating cuts to public education. Exactly why i urge you to vote yes on prop 55. Prop 55 prevents 4 billion in new education cuts without raising taxes on anyone. And theres strict accountability in prop 55. With local control
over School Funding decisions. And mandatory annual audits guaranteeing the money goes directly to our classrooms. Not to bureaucracy, not to administration. So vote yes on 55. Because it helps our children thrive. A beautiful campus up here at the university of New Hampshire. You know, i grew up like you guys, it always glookd when youre younger. Great. Lets talk about the basics of libertarianism. I guess one of the ways it began to evolve as an argument, why should a young guy or woman, who wants a ride a big motorcycle, a big hog if they want to ride one. Why should the government tell them to wear a Health Sunset why should bloomberg tell us we cant buy a coke bigger than 16 ounlss. Why cant we buy a big coke . Why cant we ride without a helmet if we want to . I guess Libertarian Party is against that. Are you for helmets . I wear a helmet. I dont want to be told to. And theres an organ donor shortage out there. Youre making the news. Did you mean that . Did you mean that . How about somebody with a sense of humor as president of the United States. Do you know why i asked you . It just types the words down. It doesnt say funny joke here. The 16 ounce drink. The progressives will say if we have to pay for hospital care for diabetes, if we have to pay for the crash site, get the guy to the hospital and take care of the surgery, take care of him, get him back to health. If society has to pay those costs, cant society say