Up i wa rather lose than win the way you guys did. No, you wouldnt, respectfully. Do you think i ran a campaign where White Supremacists were you did. Do you think you could have had a decent message for the White Working Class voters . Do you think this woman who has nothing in common with im not saying over 200 counties that President Obama won and donald trump just won . Lets get into it. You guys are pathetic, thats a great line. Kel Kellyanne Conway accused the clinton supporters of being losers. I can tell youre angry, but wow. Hes your president , how is that. A hundred times on tv, theyre all here, maybe a thousand times, will he accept the Election Results . Will you . Will you ever accept the Election Results . Will you tell your protesters hes their president , too . Im joined by casey hunt and
susan page, who were both there last night. And howard fein. The tenor of this thing, they usually sit around the swells from harvard and talk about the intellectual. This is raw, bitter, gutfighting, gutterfighting. Usually this is polite. Polite would be a word. It was not polite yesterday. The trump people were in the room because they wanted acknowledgement that they won this election. They didnt really get it beforehand, they didnt get any credit. If anything, came to gloat a little bit. The clinton people were just downtrodden. They were there to defend her honor. It was very clear that they all felt very emotionally invested and devastated. And were nots past the election. You could see the Culture Clash that was on display throughout the campaign. In stark display in that room. Even in the panels that were focused on the republican primary, where you had people who worked for republican candidates who might have sat
across the table from Hillary Clinton and had a discussion like weve seen in past years. Tough stuff. I imagine the people that lost felt bad. They didnt like david sitting there telling them hes an arch right guy. Pretty nasty in politics. We all know that. They looked at him and said, youre the leader of our country . I can imagine what Jennifer Palmeri felt. Theyve been civil. And its not like theyve been friendly. This forum always takes place about three weeks after the election, when fumes are still pretty high. But the clinton people thought they were going to win. For them, theyve had three weeks and theyve not yet come to terms with it. And i think thats it. Howard, it was too soon for an election which happened too quickly, the results came too quick for everybody. Nobody knew what was going to happen. The trump people didnt know. Nobody knew this was going to go the way it did. Part of it is the shock of that defeat, as you say, that the clinton people havent come to terms with. Ive been going to these things since 1984. And for their students. Theyre for history as well as the students. Theyre to lay down the first draft of history from the sources. And i was there when the whole lee atwater controversy, the campaign of 88, that was raw. And yet people i moderated that panel. Yet the situation was civil. Because there was a feeling in the room that, you know what, were all in this together. This is one country. And as barack obama said somewhat naively on Election Night and soothingly, this was an intramural game. The attitude at this thing, from everything ive seen, and the people ive talked to on both sides, was unforgiving. Its like were not even part of the same country. And were and its more like after a College Football game, lets say between ohio state and michigan. They hated each other before the game, they played the game, and now they hate each other afterwards. And the lack of civility in the
campaign is reflected in this. The clinton people believe fundamentally that trump is going to tear the country apart. Like george h. W. Bush taking over. On the topic of Hillary Clintons emails, david bossy faulted the clinton teams approach. It gets rougher. They made a calculated mistake, if they had put out all of the emails that Judicial Watch and vice news and Citizens United and others had demanded, and the request for the two years prior, two years prior to this campaign, they would have solved their own problem. But instead, they used the Old Clinton Playbook from the 90s. They drip, drip, drip, held it all internally. It was a winning strategy, i guess. He said, why didnt you do the same thing on the tax returns . This is the weird thing about the thing. Last night i thought that the trump people or hillary
people accused the media not being for hillary. Im sorry, being tougher on her than trump. This is kind of odd. It was totally mixed up. I also think in the past, the media, i know, having been at a lot of these, is kind of a passive observer. We werent the story in the past. But i gather here both at these events and at the dinner the night before, the media coverage, became one of the central issues of this whole debrief, which is fascinating. And there was no defenders of the media. No. The democrats thought that the press had been unfairly harsh on Hillary Clinton, and too soft on donald trump. And the trump people felt that the media never took trump seriously, didnt give him a fair shake, treated him in a dismissive way. The clinton people havent come to terms with the loss. The trump people did not play the traditional role of gracious winners. Neither of them had gotten off their campaign stances, even though the election is over. Is this because these people, unlike well, we covered it for two or three years. Theyve lived it in the bunker for two years. The people up in brooklyn, thats all their life is. And then they see a new life emerging which isnt the one theyre in. All of a sudden theres a world where trump wins. They dont say suicide comes to people, not from Horror Stories in their life, but from something completely different than they ever expected was going to happen. They cant take it. Its almost like they cant take the reality of today. I guess i understand it. When i started covering Hillary Clintons campaign six months ago, i was in brooklyn, and one thing i heard over and over again privately was, we feel an enormous weight to not screw this up. Because if we screw up this campaign, then donald trump is going to be the president of the united states. And their view of that was, as you said, very different from what if it was jeb bush or marco rubio. The reality is, theyre still sort much remembering this as a forum where what was going on in the campaign. Do they have to blame
themselves . Youre right. Its a good freudian the trump and clinton aides also battled over the significance of trumps popular vote loss. Thats an argument everyones having right now. Lets watch. I would say hillary did win the popular vote. Were talking about a majority no, no. Just purely factual. Oh, god, you guys. Listen, you guys won. Thats clear. You won the electoral cleng. Be honest. Dont act like you have a popular mandate for your message. This is just fighting words here. As you said, ohio state against michigan, they havent changed. But to clintons point of view, the clinton camp point of view, whats going to end up happening is the preElection Night polling which predicted that hillary would win by two or three points is true. Because she didnt win in the right places. From the trump side, look, they were branded as illegitimate,
that they didnt deserve to be in the race. That trump was something completely outside of politics. So they to continue the football analogy, theyre spiking it in the end zone repeatedly because after having been told that they didnt know what theyre doing, that they didnt deserve to be in politics, that they were unqualified and disruptive in a way weve never seen in American Politics before, they won. So what is kellyannes answer to everything . We won. I love your analogy. In a separate panel at harvard also yesterday, trumps former Campaign Manager is back. Had a message by the way, the guy that never got paid, he was there, too. We shouldnt have taken everything the candidate said so literally, he said. A new kind of journalism. Dont listen to the words, think through what he really meant. Lets watch. This is a problem with the media. You guys took everything donald trump said so literally. And the problem with that is theAmerican People didnt. And they understood it. They understood that sometimes when you have a conversation with people, whether its around the dinner table, or its at the bar or wherever it is, youre going to say something, you dont have all the facts to back it up, but thats how the American People live. We have to be able to figure it out what the parable meant. If he said Something Like jesus in the bible, what he really meant was, he didnt mean this, he meant that. How do we report that . Its hard to report. And we need to take things literally, because when people are president , their words matter. But i actually think the analysis which i first saw in the article in the atlantic that voters took trump seriously but not literally. Reporters took trump literally but not seriously. Voters were less consumed when things were demonstrably untrue than he said obama wasnt really an american citizen. Hes basically an illegal alien here as an imposter. How do we translate that to what he really meant. Were supposed to say, thats not true. But were also supposed to understand how its resonating with some voters. What is the message hes saying we should report on . The message that we should report on is there continues to be an effort by people who are so opposed to President Obama theyre willing to peddle a discredited theory. The problem with that is it allows trump to have it both ways. The guy on the bar stool, im going to get off the jesus and compare him with the guy on the bar stool. The guy on the bar stool claiming thats going to be that guys going to be president. No, dont pay any attention to that guy. Pay attention to the guy that has the action plan. When trump says he has an action plan to make America Great again that he just said in cincinnati, does he mean it . Does he mean it . He didnt really mean rapist, what is the interpretation,
were at the u. N. , weve got it translated the real story here is people are going to go for trump as an instrument to bash the establishment. I agree with that. No matter what he says. I agree with that. You with are there every day. In the panel that he made the comments in, one of the republicans ho Lost To Trump said, look, americans, they didnt care what your policy was. To fix anything or do anything. They wanted to burn the house down and figure out what to do with the ashes afterwards. Who said that . Sarah huckabee. Another quote i thought was great from david kochel of the bush campaign, it was like god Zil La Walking into the plant and touching the first rail and second rail and i love the metaphors. But jesus and godzilla, the bar stool is a smart one. Coming up, trumps victory rally last night in cincinnati was a sign of things to come for
the next four years. He spent the night blasting the media, of course, as a way of Preemptively Discrediting any sort of coverage of his presidency, calling riding the rep. Back to that hot fight between the Campaign Staffs of both donald trump and Hillary Clinton. The Battle Of The Bands are calling it the hardball round table with more on that, why things got so raw last night. Its clear during this transition that trump is relishing the theatrical as specks of the job. Actor tim daly is here with us tonight to talk about the presidency and age of reality tv. Let me finish with trump watch. Tonight, december 2nd, this is hardball, the place for politics. On average, the economy has added about 180,000 jobs each month this year. Style lets you stand out from the herd. Whats inside sets you apart. The cadillac escalade. Enjoy our best offers of the year. Whats going on . Oh hey thats it . Yeah. Everybody two seconds dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is with great pleasure that we offer our congratulations on your acceptance. Through the Tuition Assistance program, every day mcdonalds helps more people go to college. Its part of our commitment to being americas best first job. These are very, very dishonest people. Welcome back to hardball. That was, of course, donald trump last night attacking the media at his thank you rally in ohio. No thank you to the media. Its been nearly a month since he won the presidency. Trump has continued to rail against the Mainstream Media for wrongly predicting the outcome of the election. Trumps number one message is, i told you so. Heres what the President Elect had to say last night. How about i mean, how dishonest how about when a major anchor who hosted a debate started crying when she realized that we won. How about that. [ cheers and applause ] tears. Dont tell me this is true. Think of it, we won in a landslide. That was a landslide. And we didnt have the press. The press was brutal. Remember, you cannot get to 270. Dishonest press. And that person is doing the math. And that person was saying for months that theres no way that donald trump can break the blue wall, right . We didnt break it, we shattered that sucker. When in fact trumps continuing the rhetoric of the campaign. Now it appears his attacks are a prebuttal against the media for his incoming amrgss press. The kind of press its going to get. Im joined by david and al, former chairman of the Republican Party down in florida. Al, it seems to me, its called riding the ref. Whatever you hear from the New York Times, which he maybe fairly despises, would like to see go out of business, whatever you read from there, dont believe it, because theyre out there to crap all over me. A few conclusions, right . Healing the country is not yet a top priority in that administration. And two, this is it. I mean, he wants to make sure that he can talk to the populous crowd in his language, this rally stuff is his elixir, his addiction. I think youll see more of it. Youll see constantly these rallies to feed the needs he may have. But the optimist in me says, as long as they can govern with the right people in place, ill live with the aggravation of populous aspects of it. But it wont heal the country. The country needs more than that. He has no interest in healing the country. He came to prominence pushing a racist conspiracy theory. He ran a campaign of mysogyny, bigotry, and he will gorch, or rule as president in the same way. He according to every fact checker lied so much more than any other politician. He broke the record of all politicians for telling lies. So he doesnt want the media to Pay Attention to him. He wants to keep, you know, dismissing it which is a play out of the conservative playbook. Is he trying to destroy the Fact Checking . He would like to see noprint newspaper. Sure. The newspapers sheldon youre just making a joke. No, that was you will you will find out that he believed he got his message out in the Digital Media world. And he believes that you and the
traditional Mainstream Media are a nuisance. But he doesnt need you. If he discredits you, he believes he has this other outlet that got him to the presidency. I think at some point in time this live coverage of his rally helped him a hell of a lot. The live coverage, unfiltered, and often unevaluated. Particularly in the first few months of his campaign. Things that other republicans are shouting at jeff zucker about at the event in harvard last night. He doesnt want to be called on the fact that he doesnt care about that. He said he won in a landslide. What does he mean . No, if you look at the list of i think its like im not a media critic. At fox they say things were fair and balanced. Everybody knows thats not what they mean, they mean we balance out the liberal media. I get defenders, not a dog whistle, you know what theyre really saying. Trump talks in this language of, screw you, language. No, but theyre going to share that. They think they won in a landslide . I think some of them do. Oh, come on. Hey, you can say i won 30 states and more. Heres your case study, chris. The other day he said millions of people voted illegally in the race. Now, thats not true. His campaign cited studies that didnt say that. The people who wrote the studies. And then on cnn yesterday, had this wonderful video, i hate to tout a competitor, in which one of the reporters talked to the Trump Supporters and said, yes, of course hes right. If there were 3 million illegal, i assume hispanic voters that voted in california, for hillary, why didnt they vote for Loretta Sanchez . Why didnt she roll it up . She lost. There werent 3 million illegal people but you this gets back to your question. He said it. His people believe him. Despite any evidence, they even say we heard it reported on cnn, when it wasnt reported. This is a big challenge for the media. His biggest problem is threefold. One, hes got a Shrinking Base if he keeps this up. And thats not good for the party. Older whites. Number two, hes appointed 80 of his appointments so far have been pretty reasonable people. Hes going to get closed in with his own cabinet into being a straighter shooter. Or else he cant keep these good people. Do you think theyre not going to put up with things that are not appropriat