Transcripts For MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews 20170315

MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews March 15, 2017

Intelligence committee today denied there was anything to the allegation. Republican chairman devin nunes said he doesnt believe there was any wiretapping of trump tower and if taken litliterally the president s tweets were false. We dont have any evidence that took place. In fact, i dont believe just in the last week of time the people weve talked to, i dont think there was an actual tap of trump tower. Now you have to decide, as i mentioned to you last week, are you going to take the tweets literally . If you are, then clearly the president was wrong. Thats the republican leader of the House Intelligence Committee saying the president was wrong, there were no, were no wiretaps from obama to trump. Now, it looks like President Trump is trying to find a way out of this thing. Heres what he told fox news today. Wiretap covers a lot of different things. I think youre going to find some very interesting items coming to the forefront over the next two weeks. Just remember, he said the president , former president , president obama, was sick, because he wiretapped him. Now hes saying Something Else were talking about, anyway, separate tweets, when he first made this charge earlier this month. This comes after the department of justice failed to deliver evidence to back up the president s allegations by this weeks deadline, extended to monday. Jeff sessions said he, himself, did not give the president any information that would have led him to make such an explosive allegations. Heres sessions. Attorney general, did you have a chance to brief the president on investigations related to the campaigns or did you ever give him any reason to believe that he was wiretapped by the Previous Administration . Look, my answer, no. Boy, theres a lot of interesting words there. I dont know how mm, uh, no, no. Meanwhile, the Senate Judiciary committee is delaying the confirmation of the president s nominee for Deputy Attorney general until the fbi clarifies the nature of its larger investigation into russia and the Trump Campaign. A subcommittee hearing today, also today on the threat that russia poses to western democracies, senator Lindsey Graham and Sheldon Whitehouse explained why they urgently need to hear from the fbi. Its very reasonable to ask the fbi and department of justice, did you ever seek a warrant . Was a warrant obtained from any court anywhere aut the Trump Campaign . If the answer is yes, that would be pretty stunning to me because they would have to have probable cause. The second thing, we met with the director, i think, on march the 8th and we said, senator whitehouse and myself, that we want to know if theres a criminal investigation of the Trump Campaign and ties to russia. It is now not only appropriate, but incumbent upon Law Enforcement to say we are looking at this. We intend to get to the bottom of this. And we have these resources dedicated to accomplishing that purpose. Late today, director comey returned to capitol hill to brief select lawmakers about the russian investigation. Heres what senator Dianne Feinstein had to say following that briefing. This briefing was all on sensitive matters and highly classified and its really not anything that we can answer any questions about. Did mr. Comey, did he confirm that theres an investigation ongoing into russia im not going to answer any questions on it. Well tonight, President Trump is holding a campaignstyle rally in nashville. Thats coming up later this hour. Im joined by democratic senator Sheldon Whitehouse who was in todays subcommittee hearing. Heather conley, director of the Europe Program at csis. And was a witness in that hearing today. Glenn thrush, of course, White House Correspondent for the new york times. Senator, i was impressed, i thought i was watching a classic real Senate Hearing today. You and Lindsey Graham i thought gave credit to the institution of the senate. Grownup behavior there. Any evidence whatever have you seen that president Obama Wiretapped trump as a candidate . Any evidence . Anybody have any evidence . Zero, but the way you settle that question is by asking for the warrant applications that would have been filed in order to get permission for the wiretap. And its a little hard to understand why the department of justice is not disclosing those. Weve allowed them to redact them as they wish. It may be nothing but paper with lots of black lines, but yeah. It would provide the actual factual answer to that question because you dont go with the wiretap unless youve applied for it and thats something that gets done in writing. Within our constitutional system, could the president of the United States, the chief executive, call up the fbi dictor and ask him or her, is there an investigation, has the been an investigation that would have led to a wiretap on trump . I think he probably could. If to the extent that he would have been the subject of that investigation. There are well, he is in this case. Circumstances in which or would have been. There are circumstances in which a director should not answer that question to the president. Let me ask you about the whole question of the campaign and the possible collusion with the russians. Wheres that stand . The trump possible collusion with the russians since they were trying to get him elected. We had asked director comey to let us know if the fbi was looking into that before we started todays hearings. Because we cant be in a position where the executive branch is saying, steer clear of our criminal investigations, have to go forward without impediment by congressional investigations but at the same time, not confirm that there are, in fact, executive branch investigations taking place. So we need an answer to that question as chairman graham mentioned today, theyve offered us a classified answer to that question in a week or so and i guess we should hear them out for the life of me, i cant understand why the answer to that question should be class y classified. Hang on for a second, senator. Heather, youre the expert, right . Would the russians have continue to help a candidate for president without any requited love, any kind of return statement . We like what youre going, youre going to be glad you did this. In other words, is it possible to imagine the russians doing all that they did to screw the chances of hillary clinton, all the wiretapping not the wiretapping, the hacking of t the all the emails to the dnc without expecting some sign from the victorious candidate in this case, that they were going to be rewarded for this . Look, clearly russia influenced our election by disclosing emails. They were disrupting the election and they were discrediting our democracy. What they are seeking to do is what were seeing in other elections in europe is that its eroding confidence in our democracy. Thats why this transparency they like trump as a k candidate. They did. Well, they were anticipating a much more accommodative policy approach. They havent gotten it yet because this controversy is now consuming what any policy accommodation could knowing the russian manner, would they have proceeded unilaterally without any signal, any little wink from the trump ople . Theres been a lot of meetings with the russians from the trumps. We know that. The question is, if they had t gotten a blank stare every time they met with a trump person, no indication they were appreciative, would that help trump . We need to get to the bottom of what the exchanges were. I know. Thats why this investigation is so important. Its all about discrediting our democracy and our leaders an our institutions. Theyve accomplished that. Glenn, this story is yours. It seems to me the whole wiretap charge which i started the program with is dead. No one, even the flakes at the white house, did you have to sit and watch. I said tiptoeing through the tulips. I remember tiny tip. Tim. Kellyanne has a way of pivoting away from a story, he knows things we dont know. Thats not a confirmation. He knows things we dont know. What do you make of trumps latest skating hes doing, well, theres a lot of things we could be talking about here. You need fertilizer to grow tulips. I think were having a lot of that lately, right . I think the issue were dealing with here, we got to remember why trump made these twit twee the first place, right after the Jeff Sessions with his recusal. This was intended as a divers n diversion, a huge mistake by the president. Whats going on now is tectonic. Seeing all of these senators, republican senators, even those who are not like lindsaey graha, a national animus to him, seeing devin nunes on the house side, he served on trumps transition essentially saying that the president said false stuff. Look at the context of this. Hes unveiling a budget tomorrow thats apparently dead on arrival because republicans are against it. The Affordable Care act is floundering on the hill. You have this crisis between the president and his own party being exacerbated by his tweets. Chairman nunes is a very strong republican, also said today the Intelligence Community has not been as cooperative as he would like. We are a little uncomfortable with the odni and whether or not theyre going to let us have the proper Computer Technology that we need to go through the evidence that exists out at the cia out at langley and we are trying to work through that, but i can tell you that it has become a bit of a stumbling block for our investigators to actually be able to compile and comb through the information. Dni the office of director of national intelligence. Let me go back to senator Sheldon Whitehouse of rhode island. Senator, let me ask you, what do you think of that charge that the agents have not been cooperative . We know the people who do it know theyve done it. That would be the fbi or whatever. Are they being cooperative with you in the senate . Im actually sympathetic to the odni folks on this. Youll recall that when we were doing the torture investigation and we went in and got access to the array of cia documents, they had to set up a special Computer Network for those documents. Its not an easy thing. That ended up in a lot of rouse. Stuff leaked out of the cia into the senate Intelligence Committee Computer Networks that they didnt know theyd given to us. Then a whole rash of bad accusations emerged from that. So for the odni to want to make sure they got their Computer System right at the interface between themselves and the Intelligence Committees doesnt get my temperature up at this stage. What do you make of the fact that roger stone knew they were going to tap into or hack into hack into the Democratic National committee email of john podesta ahead of time . Hows hthat work . How does a guy who has russian connections know the russian connection . Let me go back to glenn. Well, you know is that a lucky guess by roger . My understanding of the chronology is stone didnt know about it before it was hacked but knew apparently about the existence or he has said, hinted he knew about the existence of the hack before it was sent over to wikileaks or around the time it was sent over to wikileaks. Right. Look, when you look at the prepro p preponderance of this stuff, with kislyak, it requires putting these dots together. Roger stone, i think, and a let of the trump people put themselves in a disadvantage having an unorganized response to it. I learned that the russians always like to have one american for something. They always have to have whether its dwayne andrius, hes our guy, we know him. They need to have contacts. It looks to me like these people, you know, paul manafort, a trump guy, roger stone, a trump guy, they seem to be their men. Their people that they like to deal with. Explain the culture of that and why our russian relations are always with a few people. Right. Well, they like trump. The russians are extremely good at working and using networks. Those networks come from established intelligence networks, financial networks. They start investing in relationships and sometimes those relationships blossom. Sometimes those relationships dont. In europe, were seeing where investments in farright and farleft parties 20 years ago are now paying huge dividends as these political figures are now leaders. And the other thing, chris, is in the after the financial crisis, the russians and the chinese were the only people who were liquid whoad money to invest in real estate d casinos. Florida real estate. Yeah. Florida real estate. They get paid double the money. Thank you, senator Sheldon Whitehouse. Were out of time. Thank you so much for joining us. Glenn thrush, heather conley. More on the breaking news weve been reporting on msnbc, a federal judge in hawaii ordered a temporary restraining order against President Trumps latest travel ban version. Nbc news justice correspondent Pete Williams is here with more. Pete, is this a federal judge or appellate . Are we still at the federal or district level . Were still at the Federal District judge level. This is a judge in hawaii so washington states judge today said im not going to extend the temporary restraining order i issued before because i think the new executive order is different enough, but a hawaii judge said he will issue a temporary restraining order, so that means that the new executive order, the one the president issued to revise his old one, will not take effect as it was supposed to tomorrow. Judge derek watson says the 90day pause on issuing visas from the six muslim countries amounts to religious discrimination. The judge says he cant turn a blind eye to the statements mr. Trump made during the campaign about wanting to ban all muslim immigration. So the original executive order was already blocked. The u. S. Will continue granting visas from the six countries involved. No comment from the white house, chris, but the government will almost certainly appeal and go back to where the first one did, to the ninth Circuit Court of appeals in san francisco. Well, wouldnt expect any good luck for the president on that second effort, the same arena. Anyway, thank you, Pete Williams. You know your stuff. Thanks for coming on with the latest. Coming up, the doe apameepaf Justice Charges russian spies for a hack against yahoo . Well get the latest on that and what the russians are up with yahoo . A lot of this stuff. And david k. Johnston who obtained Donald Trumps 2005 tax return. Hes coming here. And House Speaker paul ryan is doing his best to link President Trump and the white house to the republicans Embattled Health care plan. If ryans plan is going down, he seems to want to have some company from the president. And tonight, the president s holding a rally in nashville. Hes expected to talk about health care. But lets see if he says anything about the other big stories of the day. Like the fact that the top republican, as we said to you tonight, on the House Intelligence Committee says theres nothing to his wiretap charge. Or that tax return that Rachel Maddow scooped last night. This is hardball, where the action is. music plays heigh ho heigh ho heigh ho heigh ho its off to work we go heres to all of you early risers, whats up man . Gogetters, and shouldbe sleepers. From all of us at delta, because the ones who truly change the world, are the ones who cant wait to get out in it. Im raph. My name is anne. Im one of the real live attorneys you can talk to through legalzoom. Dont let unanswered legal questions hold you up, because were here, were here, and weve got your back. Legalzoom. Legal help is here. Legal help is here. The market. Redict but through good times and bad. At t. Rowe price. Weve helped our investors stay confident for over 75 years. Call us or your advisor. T. Rowe price. Invest with confidence. Russian federal Security Service officers working together with criminal hackers conspired to plan and carry out one of the largest cyber intrusions in u. S. History. There are no free passes for foreign statesponsored criminal behavior. While congress investigates the extent of rush shesias involvement in the 2016 election, the Justice Department indicted four people for their role in hacking yahoo . That data breach affected at least 500 million accounts. Its the first time the United States has brought criminal charges against russian government officials. Joining me now is msnbc counterterrorism analyst malcolm nance. I want to get to the bottom of this. If youve got a yahoo account, use it to move money in your bank, invest money, to deposit money, to take it out, to move it. Is all that available hackers . Can they take the money out of your bank . That depends on who theyre targeting in the hack. Yeah. If you ok athis, they took a half a billion accounts but it appeared that russian intelligence, themselves, had very specific targets, targeted individuals. What you want to do, this is like taking the entire trash dump so you can get one can, right . They come through and will go after everyone who may be in the database of cia officers or everyone who might be a government of

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