Transcripts For MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews 20170323

MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews March 23, 2017

Nothing comes back clean, a sick president Obama Wiretapped him during the campaign, by the way that trump claim obama was sick was in quotes. It wasnt in quotes, really, he maents it. Still hasnt taken it back, much less apologize for it. Meanwhile, the president S Health Care bill, trumpcare lies in frav condition, pulled from the schedule. A youeuthanasia, there was no w it was going to survive this gang of obamalisionists is going to suffer. They will plot the way forward . Maybe, he came into office with a pre existing condition, himself, he had no idea of how to replace obamacare, the schedule proves that, we gin with fallout from devon nunes mad dash from the white house. He ran past the members of his own committee on his way to multiple press conferences on a meeting with the president. He should when he called alarming new information that Trump Associates were picked up on under surveillance of foreign officials. Nunes was asked about his reactions today. Reporter why did you find it important then to go to the president . Just a judgment call. I mean, it was my where there was a lot going on yesterday, and it was a judgment call on my part and at the end of the day, you know, sometimes you make the right decisions, sometimes you make the wrong one, but you got to stick by the decisions you make. Well, the bizarre spectacle left many wondering if he and the congressman was coordinateing with the white house, twice today, he refused to answer this question did he get this nugget and show him his nugget he got from the white house . Heres his reaction. Its a cost on the white house. As you know, we have to keep our sources and methods here very, very quiet. Im not going to, look, on this, this committee, wree not going to ever reveal sources or if not whose ever going to come down to the committee. At the briefing today, sean spicer diverted questions about why nunes did what he did. Instead, he told reporters they should investigate his claims. There seems to be this obsession with the process, you know, how did he get here . When did he go . What was the reaction . At some point there should be a concern about the substance. Thats a very serious revelation that hes made about what happened during the 2016 election with respect to our side and some of the things that happened. At some point i would implore, urge, beg, some of you to use your investigative skills to look into what actually did happen . Why did it happen . What was going on back there . Who knew what . When . Well, President Trump also seemed to celebrate the assist from his former transition official nunes. Heres what he told Time Magazine yesterday. Unbelievable. Now, joining me right now is u. S. Congressman mike quigley, the director of the National Security and a former staffer on the intelliience committee. Congressman, lets just try to recall before our heads get fogged up by whats coming from the white house. Its very clear that getting up at dawn in mayorr a lag go, President Trump tweeted, tick president obama had him wiretapped during the campaign at trump tower. Despite the smoke from nunes, your chair, none of that has been challenged. None of that has been conflicted with. That all stands as his ridiculous claim he cannot back up. How do you stand . This is a twoprong campaign of obstruction and distraio it began with that tweet. I suspect after he read something in breitbart and i think the second element of that was what you saw yesterday with chairman nunes is an attempt to distract from what is obvious that there was no wiretapping. And to what mr. Spicer said today, they should investigate this . I dont believe the chairman suggested that anything in his undocumented allegation was illegal. He was talking about the possibility of incidental collection. So im not sure why anyone would investigate that and theyd want to investigate why we needed extraction. Do you think mr. Nunes can conduct a nonpartisan investigation of anything now having shown his loyalty to the white house in the way he did yesterday . Well, it makes it far more difficult for him. He has to overcome this assumption he has a different master than a chairman of this important investigation. I have to be fair the first two years that i have served with him, he has been a good chairman. Hes run his meetings very well. Ever since mr. Trump has become president , though, unfortunately, its been a different story. You know, there is a civics lesson we all are lucky enough to get in high school if we go to a Decent School and get a good civics class, which is hard to do these days, you understand the checks and balances, its the job of congress not to obey the president but to watch him and make sure he does a good job of operating the executive branch. Does nunes know that or play st. Bernard to the president when hes in trouble . Unfortunately, this comes on the hooes of comey announcing there is an investigation of the Trump Campaign and the russians. So this becomes at the worst possible time. I cant stress enough. This is the most important investigation of a president in our history since watergate. The rson investigating it has to bf an open mind and has to understand he cannot serve the president , hes a member of congress. Where is your district, sir . I think Wrigley Field north side of chicago, western suburbs. Oh, rossis old seat. Absolutely. Good for you, thats the place you 35 with all the nice polish churches on the way from the game. Here was senator john mccain today. Can you explain any reason why chairman nunes would have done what he did yesterday . No, i have not seen anything like that and im happy to say that in the Senate Intelligence committee, there is a good working relationship between senator byrd and senator warner, no, i have not seen anything like it and its very disturbing. It looks to me like what happened yesterday is that mr. Nunes had been serving well in a nonpartisan capacity. And that the white house didnt like that. And they put some heat in his saddle. Lfrls he go all of a sudden he goes down to it is not challenged, certainly it doesnt support the president s claims he was wiretapped by a sick president obama. None of that is confirmed by this thing he claims he has. But he looks like he is pretty much working for the president right now. I think thats absolutely right and peopleorget that en nunes talks about the wiretapping of the tmp Transition Team the person ahead of the National Transition for the Trump Administration was dejon nunes, he has been on both sides of this thing from the beginning. So now as the committee chairman, he is grading the work as National Chairman he was putting together as the hollywood of the National Transition. Have you ever seen this before . Never. Congressman schiff told us yesterday the evidence of collusion is now more than circumstantial. Its the big part t. Possible connection between trump and the russians who are helping him. Lets watch. But you had mit its all you have right now is a circumstantial case . Actually, no, chuck. I can tell you that the case is more than that. And i cant go into the particulars, but there is more than circumstantial evidence now, so, again, i think so you have seen direct evidence of collusion . I dont want to go into specifics, but i will say that there is everyday that is not circumstantial and is very much worthy of investigations. Congressman, do you go on more than circumstantial evidence at this point . As an old trial attorney,ize say there is probable cause to believe there was coordination. Thank you so much. U. S. Congressman mike quigley. I am joined right now by senator marc warren, the Ranking Member of the Senate Intelligence committee. Former President Joe Biden tweeted, senator, devon nunes, quote, checks and balances the chair and the committee having itting the white house can share info, mccain is right, need select committee. Where do you stand on the need for a select committee, senator . Listen, i think the Senate Committee is doing its job in a bipartisan way. I think a special prosecutor, i am wide opened with that. My concern would be both sides would ends up picking their most partisan men members, would take them months, we are having a public hearing next week. We started interviews, we got a lot of folks that we got to talk to. We got to get some Additional Information from a couple of the agencies, but we are doing this in a way i think that is methodical and we will follow the intel wherever it leads and candidly, i was surprised as everybody else was about what mr. Nunes did yesterday. Would you call that partisan or nonpartisan, we still dont know whether he got that information from the white house, do we . We dont have the slightest idea. And i can tell you, we had an intel meeting this afternoon, my chairman, richard bur, he didnt have any knowledge of what talking about. Weve reached out to a couple of the agencies, said, hey, there is something you shared with nunes, you need to share it with us as well. They all have kind of a response of saying, they dont know what hes talking about as well. So i think it will be numbered upon mr. Nunes at some point to tell somebody, i hope, other than whoever he told at the white house what kind of information hes talking about. Senator, its not sinking into me how nunes in anyway is a fig leaf for what the president put out in his tweet a couple weeks ago. It had nothing to do with his campaign, certainly president obama, it wasnt ordered by oblame orabaum or a wireta ob wiretap. I dont see what the connection or the nexus is at all. All i know is until the other day, you had both the House Republican and democrats saying, no wiretapping. Our position has still been the same. No wiretapping by the Obama Administration or anyone else of trump tower. You had the director of the fbi speaking on behalf of the fbi and the whole Justice Department and you had the head of the nsa saying no such thing. Then even when the white house tried to say, well, lets blame it on the brits, which is, frankly, insulting to our strongest allie, they pushed back as well. I just dont understand why the president wont acknowledge he is wrong or prove with some evidence other than tweets what hes talking about. What do you make of the russian connection, i have been sort of kidding about it. Because its gotten ridiculous the number of connections between the trump team and moscow. Its all over the place, now we get this 10 Million Contract Paul Manafort had. Its not illegal but it was entangling when he gets to be the chair of the campaign. Heres what we know for a fact. We know there was massive russian interference in our election in an unprecedented way. We know they hacked into the dnc, john podzesta leaked that on a selected bamps. We know they had a thousand socalled internet trolls who were, in effect, manipulating computers in the United States creating a botnet, in some ways, overwhelming the search engines. We know for a fact the republican platform changed in only one way from romneyland and that was a way that was more favorable towards russia and less favorable to ukraine. And one of the questions that weve got to answer is, weve got this cast of characters that have to varying degrees ties with russia. We got roger stone, for example, who said he talked to wikileaks, he predicted the modesta emails, said he was in direct communication with gucifer, too. Again, i dont know where all this leads. But if the white house has any credibility at all and they want to remove this cloud, they ought to support our investigation so we can get to the bottom of it. Can you imagine . Im speculating here with you, you have been through this. If you had Campaign Contributions coming in people helping Europe Campaign as volunteers, say, working hours after hours for your campaign. You got people like that. You met with him, you never thanked him. Is it even plausible that the trump people didnt thank the russians for helping them . It even imaginable, hey, thanks, buddy, its been very helpful. We like the way you have done this. We will remember this later. Excuse me, it doesnt sound right. It doesnt sound right. It doesnt sound right that then candidates trump basically invite study russians to hack into the clinton emails. I mean. He says, help me more, help me more. Some of this you cant make up. I know. Again, hes the president. We owe him the benefit of the doubt. We got to do this. Thats why we got to do the bipartisan, because no matter what we come up with, there will be a whole lot of americans that dont believe our report unless we are atransparent and keep it bipartisan. What would be the big surprise, there is nothing there in terms of a reciprocity to do what the russians did to get them elected or this is something . What would be a bigger surprise . Nothing or nothing or something . You know, i know where you are headed. Im not going to answer that at this point. All i can say, i thought there was nothing that this administration could do that would continue to surprise me. Almost every day or every other day, they continue to do stuff thats basically unprecedented. Thank you so much, marc warner and a Ranking Member of the Senate Intelligence committee. That was where i was heading. Coming up, House Republicans postpone a vote on their plan to repeal and replace obamacare the vote was supposed to happen tonight, after days of arm twisting, President Trump doesnt have enough members of his party behind him. Thats next. Trump and russia, new details about his former Campaign Manager and his ties that figures close to the russian government. Paul manafort we are talking about, thats ahead, facing major questions about his own credibility. President Trump Doubles downn his unsubstantiated charges during the campaign,hat millions of people illegally voted for hillary clinton, even about his debunked claim that ted cruz poor father was involved in the kennedy assassination. Get this, he said you cant be doing badly, because, hell, hes 3r9. Thats what he said to the reporters that interviewed him. Anyway, that reporter will join us on requested hardball tonight, from this is hardball where the action is. Grid every day. And we came up with a plan to help reduce my risk of progression, including Preservision Areds 2. My doctor said Preservision Areds 2 has the exact nutrient formula the National Eye Institute recommends to help reduce the risk of progression of moderate to advanced amd after 15 years of clinical studies. Preservision areds 2. Because my eyes are everything. Lease a 2017 lincoln mkx for 369 a month. Only at your lincoln dealer. Republican leaders are meeting right now on capitol hill to plot the path forward, if there is one after delaying the bill on their health care vote. Casey, it seems as to me you are trying to square a circle. There are people in the Republican Party that dont want to have a Government Program on health care. Th mant to getid of obamacare but they dont necessarily want to replace it. Reporter i do think they are doing just that, chris. They put themselves into an impossible situation. They say this is obamacare lite, its hard to move off that position witness you have drawn that line in the sand. As leaders try to negotiate with them t. Reality is there is more of them than these moderates who also have concerns, the problem is, the more conseconds over there, its worn down the moderate members that they still do need and more of those that come out publicly the harder that this is to do. Now i am hearing they are talking about preexisting conditions, they are talking about kids on their parents plan until the age of 26. For moderates, thats a complete nonstarter. Okay. Have you got any smell on whether there is bullying or buying. How much bullying and how much buying is going on to get the votes to 216 . Reporter i think we are firmly in the bullying stavenlth there was a lot of buying going on across the day. That was the pitch of the Freedom Caucus, a standing ovation for the president. They want to be at the table. They are trying to win them over. Now i think we have reached a point where frustrations are boiling over. I will be interested what its like in this room. They are meeting behind me. Hd5 in the capitol. You are strong, can you do that. I wouldnt be surprised if you did it one of these times, go bargeing in, say, excuse me. I think i might get myself permanently banned. But, yes, whatever is happening in there, the tension in that room is going to be telling. What theyve come, what they say when they come out of there is going t tell us what happens next. If we see House Speaker paul ryan go to the cameras and say, hey, we are voting in the morning, okay, its possible they came to a realization if you will throwing this out the window will spike their entire agenda. If we dont see them, if they put it off until monday, i think this whole thing will be dead. I dont think there are any epiphanys in trump land, there was buying during the day and bullying in the evening. We will have more on that he can heck fight coming up in the hour, when we return, the latest on the Trumps Campaign ties to russia. It keeps growing, the russia connection, hardball returns after this. Heigh ho heigh ho heigh ho heigh ho its off to work we go heres to all of you early risers, whats up man . G

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