Russian banks to allow financing to people with ties to trump, said the current Law Enforcement official who was a source for the article. Joining us is jonathan, the reuters reporter who just broke the story. This is a story coming on top of an earlier story. Tonight, its all about Jared Kushner and how much contact did he have with russian officials and what has reuters learned . We learned at least three calls between Jared Kushner and the Russian Ambassador. Two of them before the election and there were contacts after the election not only between mr. Kushner and President Trumps former National Security adviser, Michael Flynn. We reported this last week about mr. Flynn and his conversations after the election centered on setting up a back channel between President Trump and president putin that would have circumvented u. S. National security agencies because neither side trusted them. We learned that mr. Kushner was also part of those discussions. That was reported by the Washington Post first this evening. And as you pointed out, we have learned that mr. Kushner is being looked at. The acts between mr. Kushner and the one of the issues is why did you not disclose all of these contacts . If the defense is i didnt because it was just an oversight, the more contacts he has, the more of these that pile up, the less credible the oversight explanation is. Lets not forget the white house denied contacts between mr. Kushner and the russians and that was changed to acknowledgement there were two contacts, one during a Foreign Policy speech by candidate trump last april at a reception that took place during the speech and also an acknowledgement of a meeting at trumps house. As far as the other contacts go, there was no acknowledgement. We talked to mr. Kushners attorney this evening who said he had thousands of calls over this period of time and was unable fo recall the calls we reported about. Did you ask if he would have taken calls . There was no acknowledgement of the calls, of those calls, so, no, we didnt because there was no acknowledgement of the call. Yeah. Also, i should point out, there was no denial, either. Right. Very important distinction. Jonathan, thank you very much for joining us with your breaking news out of reuters tonight, really appreciate that. My pleasure. In tonights other breaking news story, the Washington Post saved its best for last this week. Reporting tonight that Jared Kushner decided it was so important for him and other Trump Officials to have secret meetings with the kremlin that Jared Kushner suggested an idea to the russians that one former Senior Intelligence official in the Washington Post story called, quote, extremely naive or absolutely crazy. Those are the only choices that an experienced intelligence official could seek to describe jareds conduct revealed by the Washington Post. Extremely naive or absolutely crazy. It is possible to be both, naive and crazy. Listen to the lead of the Washington Post story and you decide. Extremely naive or absolutely crazy. Jared kushner and the ambassador suggested the possibility of setting up a see cure channel between trumps Transition Team and the kremlin using russian diplomatic abilities and shield preinauguration discussions from monitoring according to u. S. Officials briefed on intelligence reports. The United States keeps the Russian Ambassador and the embassy in close watch. Ambassador kislyak made the proposal during a meeting on december first or second according to intercepts of Russian Communications that were reviewed by u. S. Officials. Kislyak said kushner suggested using russian diplomatic facilities in the United States for communications. The meeting was attended by Michael Flynn, trumps first National Security adviser. So, tonight, we have just moved a little closer to an explanation of why President Trump seems so protective of Michael Flynn. Why President Trump appointed Michael FlynnNational Security adviser, even though he knew he was under fbi investigation. And why, after firing Michael Flynn, President Trump continues to say Michael Flynn is a good man and some reports indicate President Trump hopes Michael Flynn will return to White House Service one day. Why . Why is President Trump so protective of Michael Flynn . One answer may be that President Trump knows that Michael Flynn was in that meeting when Jared Kushner suggested using russian diplomatic facilities for communicating directly with the kremlin. President trump should by now know that Jared Kushner could be convicted of a fon and sentenced to five years in prison for not revealing at meeting in his security clearance form. Michael flynn has said through his lawyer, that he has a story to tell and he would like immunity to tell that story. Now we know that Michael Flynn has a very, very important story to tell about Jared Kushners meeting with the Russian Ambassador at trump tower when Michael Flynn finally does tell his story of that meeting that he was in. The question tonight is will he say, will Michael Flynn say that Jared Kushner was being extremely naive or absolutely crazy or will Michael Flynn offer a third description that includes the possibility of criminal intent . It has been another very, very bad week of news for the Trump Administration. But tonights report is the worst news yet for the trump family. Joining us now by phone is one of the reporters who broke that story in the Washington Post, greg miller. Greg, thank you very much for joining us tonight, really appreciate it. This is a breakthrough on top of the reporting of 24 hours ago that indicated the fbi was interested in Jared Kushner. What more can you tell us . What do you think are the most important elements in your story tonight . Caller i think that combination is important. You can begin to understand why the fbi would be so interested in kushner and his contacts with kislyak and other russians. I mean, if they are sitting on intelligence reports with the Russian Ambassador telling his bosses in moscow, you are not going to believe this, but trumps sonnw wants a secure channel to talk with the kremlin and discuss using our facilities in the United States to accomplish that. I mean, its easy to see why the bureau would want to understand why that is so important, why the trump Transition Team and a senior figure would want that kind of arrangement. Greg, any indication as to timing of exactly when this information was intercepted . Apparently, according to your report, it appears as if intelligence agencies intercepted the ambassadors communication to moscow about this. Caller thats right. Its likely that that was intercepted shortly after the meeting at trump tower, right . This is not surveillance of that meeting, it is the Russian Ambassador coming out of that meeting and communicating with moscow about what took place. Its very similar, actually, to, well, i mean we have seen in the past that the communications of the Russian Ambassador were under surveillance. This actually takes place several weeks before kislyak is recorded in a conversation with Michael Flynn, a conversation which flynn discusses sanctions, u. S. Sanctions with kislyak that leads to flynn losin thiz job 24 days into the Trump Administration. How much do we know about kislyaks reaction to the proposal by Jared Kushner, which would be as shocking to the russian side as it is to us to hear . Caller yeah, the way it was characterized to us is it appeared the Russian Ambassador was taken aback by the idea z. Its easy to see why. For russian officials in the United States that they would regard it as highly important to have secure communications back to moscow that are beyond the reach of u. S. Surveillance. Why would they want to bring an american into their version of a secu secure compartmented facility to have communications with moscow that cant be intercepted. Why would they want an american on that line . Greg miller, thank you for joining us with this stunning report, another one in the Washington Post. Really appreciate it. We are joined now by max boot, senior fellow for National Security studies and a former defense adviser for romney, 2012 and ken vogue l, chief reporter for politico and mika, a lawyer and former House Intelligence Committee staff adviser. Mika, i want to get your reaction to this since you are an intelligence professional, having worked on the Intelligence Committee on the house. You hear what we heardrom the reuters report and more contact between kushr and the russians, now this blockbuster in the Washington Post tonight about a suggestion, Jared Kushner suggesting, can we come into your embassy and use your secure communications to moscow, presumably for communication that he didnt trust to transmit directly to the ambassador. They wanted to transmit directly to moscow. I mean this report is almost too shocking to be believed. The idea that Jared Kushner would say to the russians, i need a secure, classified channel in your embassy, knowing, perhaps the Russian Embassy is undersurveillance. Going in and out would raise red flags to say who knows what. It is naive or crazy or deceptive. It is just amazing. The other question is, why now . Why is this happening now . Ken, lets remember, Jared Kushner is the least experienced person, the least qualified person ever to work in a white house prior to january 20th. Now, hes in a competition in this white house with other inexperienced, unqualified people to be in the white house like bannon and a bunch of others. It is conceivable that kushner had no idea that there would be a clear fbi record, they would know exactly who went into a Russian Embassy or who went into a russian facility, diplomatic facility anywhere in this country. A couple things. First of all, if this request was made that he wants to Say Something to the russians that he doesnt want inlligence to berivy to to be able to ease drop on through the normal channels it might otherwise do so. The naivety comes in when presented as you did. This means he suggested would not be that solution. The other thing that is notable is the presence of mike flynn. You mentioned kushner, he doesnt have a lot of experience. Doesnt have a lot of experience in dealing with with International Government leaders. Mike flynn does and mike flynn has a well developed sort of theory of the cia and the u. S. Intelligence community and he is deeply distrustful of it. My intelligence sources tell me that they feared that this distrust for the cia and other parts of the u. S. Intelligence apparatus that flynn harbored was seeping into the Broader Campaign and donald trump himself and the trump brain. You could see it playing out here if kushner believes, like flynn does, the cia is not to be trusted, that is one possible explanation for what otherwise i agree with mika, an inexplicable request from kushner. Go ahead, max. I was struck, lawrence, by one of the lines in the reuters story you quoted earlier saying fbi investigators are suggesting to kushner and other trump aides that lax would offer financing to people with ties to trump. That is significant. That offers a possible motive for why kushner would do something this sneaky going so far as using the Communication Channels of the russians. Remember, this is after a campaign in which trump and his people were saying lock her up because they claim Hillary Clinton was committing this incredible Security Breach by using a private email server. What do you call using email servers of your main adversary, which is what they were planning to do here. That raises the question, why would they do this. Reuters offers a possible explanation. You can speculate there was a pay off involved that the russians helped get donald trump elected. There was an expectation they would get a pay off on it. Trump would benefit from the lifting of sanctions. This is just a blockbuster, shocking story that we need to get to the bottom of. Mika, i want to go to the timing, mika was saying the timing of why this was coming out now, i agree, thats always interesting. You can say that someone has it in for kushner. I dont think thats completely unfounded as to why this would be coming out now. The timing of the actual meeting and the request, this is after the election. The reuters story raises the interesting pattern that this conversation between kushner and the russians was happening before the election, thats notable because it raises questions about what hes trying to broker or discuss before that. This is after the election. You know he is going he is a part of the Transition Team, at least there was a prospect of him going into the white house. They would have every right to set up a line of communication and start a foundation or conversation with the russians through, you know, governmental means that the u. S. Government would provide them with the security to do so so he is maki this request at that moment isore inexplicable lawrence, on this question of timing theres so much more to come out of the ambassadors report to the kremlin on that meeting. In tonights report, we know what Jared Kushner said, according to the report that he is suggesting that they have this communication set up this way. If theres nuting in it about what mike flynn said, it indicates mike flynn was present, but nothing about what mike flynn said. That could be a whole other chapter of this story. Yes. I think its important we have investigators to get to the bottom of this, the special counsel, the congressional meetings. What troubles me is the timing of the leaks is coming from inside the Intelligence Community itself. It suggests intelligence officials may not have confidence their information is going to get to appropriate authorities who might be able to do something with it, that perhaps theres an attempt to stifle information coming from inside the administration. People feel like they need to put the information out now. If they dont have credible channels, they need to bring it in. It is an incredible point. You have to be suspicious of what Jared Kushner is up to. This is not the only connection he has with the russians. In this time frame where he was trying to set up with Communications Channel with kislyak, he was meeting with the head of a russian bank who is very close to putin. What the heck were they discu discussing . We know cnn reports that the russians orchestrated a massive propaganda advertising on facebook to get donald trump elected. Who was the head of Data Analytics for the Trump Campaign . That would be Jared Kushner. Maybe they had something significant to discuss. These are the questions Robert Mueller and the fbi need to get to the bottom of. This is, you know, Jared Kushner we are talking about here. This is not carter page where they can say he was deeply em meshed with the kremlin, trump neve