Transcripts For MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews 20180202

MSNBCW Hardball With Chris Matthews February 2, 2018

Releases. Have you congressman nunes, President Trump and majority of congressional republicans, even leaders like speaker paul ryan. On the other side, nearly the countrys entire National Security establishment. The fbi yesterday put out an unprecedented Public Statement saying we have grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memos accuracy. The fbi director Christopher Wray appointed by trump himself privately warning the white house against releasing this memo. The department of justice told nunes last week the release was extraordinarily reckless. Deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein went to the white house and appealed to President Trumps chief of staff john kelly not to make the memo public. He was rebuffed. Former cia director john brennan, a career Intelligence Officer tweeted, i had many fights with Congressional Democrats over the years on National Security matters but i never witnessed a type of reckless partisan behavior i am now seeing from nunes and house republicans. Absence of moral and Ethical Leadership in the white house is fuelling this government crisis. And the cia director under president bush Michael Hayden said this today. It is the part of intelligence that most needs to keep politics out of the process. And here we have now an injection of hyper partisanship into that process. And i just fear great daniel that will be done to institutions including oversight committees in the congress, including the presidency and, of course, obviously, the fbi. Well, white house official said today said they will Tell Congress probably tomorrow the president is okay releasing the memo likely with no redactions. Im joined by Eric Swalwell of california, former assistant director at the fbi, frank fig gluecy, nbc National Security adviser and Natasha Bertrand from the atlantic and charlie savage, also an msnbc contributor. The congressman here, this is exinfratraary. I wonder, does the president understand what hes doing here basically trying to crash into the very people protecting this countrys security . Well, chris, the president is likely under investigation. So you know, he shouldnt have anything to do or be anywhere near reviewing a memo. Thats a monumental conflict of interest that he or the white House Counsel is able to look at this. Who obviously are the adults . Its the members of the Intelligence Committee who obviously are trusted with our nations secrets and hop are expected to not allow politics to invade into the independence of the department of justice and that responsibility has been advocated by chairman nunes and every member of the committee who obviously has vote odd to allow this inaccurate memo to be released. They are risking the republicing to protect the president. For what in for tax cuts . To deregulate their friends in industry . I cant imagine what reason they would put all of us at risk. Is the chairman of your committee working for the United States congress and fulfilling his oath or work for the white house. He never left the transition team. Just by his actions. He continues to work hand in hand to try and protect the president. Thats such a damn shame, chris, because weve always been a bipartisan committee. We travel to the roughest spots in the world to meet with our military. Weve always just worked to you know, keep our nation safe and he has im afraid destroyed that. Its almost irreparable now as long as hes there. Does he know he took an oath to the constitution and not to one man . I dont know. I can be tell you again his actions. His actions are destructive. Chris, just to further show his actions, he sent over to the white house a different memo than what was voted out of the committee. They altered the memo materially omitting further information causing greater confusion and thats what the house will be releasing. We think theyre releasing an unauthorized memo. Frank, your thoughts about this. I think its a broader question. Im going to get to the goofiness of the entire Republican Party led by President Trump to hang their hat on the goofy performance of carter page and the goofiness of defending him against any kind of surveillance as if all his years of russian connections and selling of his russian connections to the Trump Campaign and his involvement as an sbeer intermediary back and forth, if thats not worthy of investigation, i dont know what is in thames of this. We know the russians screwed with our election. We know the trump people were involved and we want to get to one of the people doing it. For some reason, chairman nunes says that is man must be protected from surveillance. We must not note what carter page was doing with the russians over in moscow. I find it an incredible thing for the party that the long fought communism has somehow decided theyre going to go down on the issue of defending carter page and the role that the trump people played with the russians. Your thoughts . Frank . I think in the long term, theyre going to come to regret this as an party. Its going to irreparably harm in the near term and longterm the Republican Party. So theres many things wronging with this picture. Pick one or two. First, the testimony of the committee that was released by congressman schiff where they asked nunes, did you conspire, did you talk with anybody in the white house about this memo about drafting it. The lack of response, im not answering any further questions. I dont know. This smacks of further obstruction because remember, the obstruction statute speaks to the need for intent. If youre talking to the white house about crafting this memo, when to release it, what the contents are, youre conspireing to obstruct. Whats one more wrong thing with this. If you dont trust your fbi director to deal with alleged misconduct involve agaffidavit submitted to court, get rid of him. If you dont trust the inspect her general to deal with allegations of misconduct, get rid of him. Theyre not choosing to do that but doing a release tomorrow in the form of essentially a press release. Frank, everybody watching this show knows theyre willing to get people investigating them. They got rid of comey and mccabe. Now theyre targeting it rosenstein. Theyre going after him. I mean, theyre going to going after wray. What about chris wray . They put the guy as fbi director. Are they going to bounce him . It looks like they might it be willing to threaten the guy. This is essentially what theyre doing. Putting him between a rock and hard place. Dishonestly asking somebody when had he stopped beating their wife. The mere fact that you have to repeat the terrible allegation is damning itself. So if wray comes out and tries to rebut the memo bullet by bullet hes forced to repeat in the Public Domain what he doesnt want even exposed. Theyve trapped hill on this. Anyway, President Trumps motives in pushing for the release of the memo seems clear to impeach the people he sees as a esis tensional threat to his presidency. Hes right about that. Theyre trying to get to the truth. The Washington Post reports according to a person familiar with his comments, the president has told advisers the memo might make people realize how the fbi and mueller are biased against him. That could give him reasonton force rosenstein out. And cnn reports in phone calls last night and over the past few days, trump has told friends he believes the memo would expose bias within the agencys top ranks and make it easier for him to argue the russian investigations are prejudiced against him according to two sources. Today, congressman adam schiff, the ranking democrat on the House Intel Committee voiced a similar concern. Lets watch the congressman. The president is looking for a reason to fire bob mueller. The president is looking for a reason to fire Rod Rosenstein. The bigger concern right now is for Rod Rosenstein. This has been true for me for some time. Why rosenstein and not bob mueller . The white house knows it would face a firestorm if it fired bob mueller. Whats more effective is to fire bob muellers boss. Now, why is that more effective . Rod rosenstein decides the scope of bob muellers investigation. Let me go to natasha ber brand. Thank you for copping on. Heres the question. It looks theyre setting this up saying if you go after the truth, you prosecutors all the way down from the fbi whoever is head of the fbi or the special counsels office, if you go after the truth and find out what the trump people were doing with the russians like carter page, what were they doing over there with mos moscow figures when the russians are trying to control our elections . What were they doing perhapses in collaboration and collusioning . If you do that, well attack you for doing that. If you stop us is, well get rid of you. Theyre saying to prosecutes if you prosecute, if you investigate, were going to call you out and say, youre the enemy of the people. Its unbelievable how far theyre going with this thing. Right. Basically it puts the fbi and doj in a pretty impossible position. There are a lot of exfbi agencies saying if the memo does come out tomorrow, over the auctions of chris wray and the doj, then wray might have to be forced to resign just because his position and his clout will have been so undermined. This whole thing started of course, at the white house. This entire debacle started when devin nunes got out of his car in late march of 2017 after receiving a phone call from the white house telling him that they will had documents that he just had to see about alleged Obama Administration surveillance on trump associates. He then went out and gave a press conference. He briefed the president on this intelligence that he had seen. And that is kind of when the entire narrative of potential abuse by the fbi and the doj came into the forefront. And, of course, it had been already out there because trump had said, well, i wonder if obama had my wires tapped at trump tower. You can trace the origins of this clearly. Who obviously wrote the memo . Which memo . This memo . Devin nunes. His staffers. Which staffer . Cash patel. And whats his background . Cash patel worked at the doj. Hes been a longtime nunes kind of loyalist. He was actually one of the staffers that was dispatched to london last year to look for Christopher Steele kind of showed up at his lawyers door along with another staffer, nunes staffer and demanded to talk to him. Right. Whats his contacts with the white house west wing and the people working over at the Eisenhower Executive Office building . What are his kaks . Why would he be over at a place like that . Its unclear. But a figure of interest in all of this is a guy named isenberg who obviously is alleged to have given devin nunes the documents to begin with last march. And, or course. He was the guy that started the Midnight Ride over there where nunes goes 0 over to the old executive Office Building next to the white house, picks up material, goes back to the white house west wing the next day and says guess what i have and clearly was carrying stuff just for trump that made it look like he was some sort of actually a u. S. Congress person pretenning to be one. The whole thing was contrived from the beginning. It was as if the white house was laundering kind classified information through nunes so he could make it public and create a case to go after the fbi. We might have more on this staffer for nunes tomorrow, cash patel. Chris, the claims were bogus then. The claims were bogus then. Thats important to note. He never produced that evidence and hasnt produced evidence now. What do you think of that operation, nunes staff operation . Who obviously are those people . Are they white house people, basically dupes . Do they work for the white house . Do they say they work for announce . Who obviously do they work for . Youre supposed to be a separate branch of government. Theyre supposed to work for the people. Where i come from, the name of the person on the door is the person responsible. Devin nunes is the chairman of the committee. Hes responsible for whats going on right now. And paul ryan should remove him immediately. Do you think the white house actually wrote this infamous memo . They worked with they have been working with devin nunes on this memo, yes. That is clear. The president of the United States is being asked to approve over this weekend whether they put out a memo whether he had a hand and his people had a hand in creating. Its a joke. It gives him a window into the evidence into the russia investigation. He is a potential subject of that. Its a compromised investigation. Were going to talk about a constitutional crisis. It seems to me the constitution has always been turned on its butt. Weve got a chairman of a committee on intelligence which has been a bipartisan committee. Theyre basically there to Work Together and find out if our Intelligence Committees are doing their job. Its a tool of a president playing defense. Thats the right way to think about this in terms of going on offense as the best defense. Think about what the memo is, its sort of a threepart set. First of all, it looks at the use of steele dossier information or information from steele in this application and portrays that as a scandal because the judge wasnt fully told who obviously was funding it. This is the trump case. Right, or the nunes case. Same difference. But its not just that the that original application for carter page had this information in it. The important thing, the most important thing i think from what were hearing it talks about extending that wiretap application applying for renewals every 90 days up to the point in which the Trump Administration is in charge and Rod Rosenstein is the official signing off on that dossier that resubmits the same information to the court saying we want to stay up on this guy. If it is a scandal to use steele information in the application, Rod Rosenstein is guilty of the same. Theyre going at him. This is the ammunition to go after Rod Rosenstein. Why would is the president want to get rid of rosenstein. He is the only man standing between trump and mueller. Trump cant fire mueller. Only Rod Rosenstein can. He can put someone else in there willing to do his bidding. He needs an excuse. So this could give him the excuse to replace Rod Rosenstein who obviously has refused to find that mueller has committed misconduct and therefore, a rational for removing him and put someone else willing to say that. I have a sense that the people who obviously talk to the president at night when they come to him at night when hes worried when people tend to get worried, they go to him, he has one thought. What do i have to do right now to save my butt. Thank you Eric Swalwell, thank you, sir. Great testimony for us tonight. Thank you, frank and natasha and charlie savage. Coming up, Robert Mueller wants to know more about how trump and his team crafted a fake explanation for that trump tower meeting with don junior, kushner the soninlaw and paul manafort. The one they had with the russians last, you know key figures in the Trump White House are feeling the heat. When went on in that room last june with the russians . Plus, role reversal. Can you imagine is the outrage from republicans had it been Hillary Clinton who were president right now and had done the kinds of things donald trump has been doing and chelsea. Just flip it around and say suppose they had done anything like this. When you lay it out like that, its staggering to see how republicans continue to put party over principle. The reckoning coming for the Republican Party as they for an whatever reasons defend trump in what is sure to be a collision with robert mule per finally, lets me finish tonight with trump watch. He wont like it. This is hardball where the action is. Run your business at cloud speed. And do more with systems you have in place. The ibm cloud. The cloud for smarter business. You or joints. Something for your heart. But do you take something for your brain. With an ingredient originally found in jellyfish, prevagen is the number one selling brainhealth supplement in drug stores nationwide. Prevagen. The name to remember. Bragged about the record viewership for his state of the union address. The only problem is, surprise, he doesnt have the facts at all straight. Trump tweeted thank you for all the nice compliments and reviews on the state of the union speech. 45. 6 Million People watched, the highest number in history. Well president s george w. Bush, bill clinton and barack obama all delivered state of the Union Speeches with much higher viewership. President trump has never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Here he goes. We had a massive crowd of people. We had a crowd, i looked over that sea of people and i said to myself, wow. Heres a picture of the crowd. Now, audience was the biggest ever. But this crowd was massive. Look how far back it goes. It looked like a million and a half people. Whatever it was it was. It went all the wa

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