He had paid some women off. Or catching his flippant attitude toward the country and the vietnam war he was fighting at the time. Cohen told us how he, rich donald trump, said anyone who accepted the call to duty was a chump. He said, quote, do you have think im stupid . Im not going to vietnam. So let me go to where the investigation of donald trump is clearly headed. The committee to launch articles of impeachment house judiciary has started a new investigation, obstruction of justice, public description and abuses of power. Congressman jerry nadler demanded documentary evidence from over 80 people and organizations associated with trump. Nadlers committee wants info about the trump tower meeting to get dirt on hillary clinton, trumps intervention with the fbi on behalf of Michael Flynn, the firing of james comey, efforts to build a trump tower in moscow, possible russian financing and the hush money payments that Michael Cohen testified about last week. Chairman nadler says the president s payoff before the election could prove to be a basis for impeachment. You said in the past there could be crimes that are not Impeachable Offenses. Is a Campaign Finance like the one outlined against President Trump one of those . A violation seeking to sabotage a Fair Election would be an Impeachable Offense. Is that what you saw . Well, well see. President trump tweeted today, i am an innocent man being persecuted by some very bad and conflicted corrupt people. Heres what he said to the north dakota state football team. Are you going to cooperate with mr. Nadler . I cooperate all the time with everybody. And you know the beautiful thing, no collusion. Its all a hoax. Youre going to learn about that as you grow older. Its a political hoax. Theres no collusion. Theres no anything. Folks, go and eat up. The little guy in the back was mike pence, by the way. Im joined by democratic congressman frank deutsch, ben rhodes, National Security adviser under president obama and barbara wade is a former federal prosecutor. Congressman deutsch, you have a sense of where the judiciary is headed in terms of this vast new probe that you democrats now control. Where you going . Yeah, i sure do. We definitely do. Chris, democrats are just doing our job in the committee that is charged withboro describedi pro oversight, a check on this administration. Our announcement is to make clear we are embarking upon a careful and methodical approach to get to the truth. We dont have to rely on whats in the headlines, we dont have to rely on anything that the president says. Were going to start by getting all of these documents. Those will inform the decisions that we make, the people who will be called to testify before us but all of this to look at the president s potential abuse of power, the corruption we have seen in this administration and the obstruction of justice. In each of these case, weve been governed thus far by whatever the most the biggest headline is of the day. Thats not the approach. Weve got to be careful, methodical and get to the truth so the American People will be clear about whats needs to happen next. Heres a headline from today, congressman, your chairman, jerry nadler is talking about the fact for trump to cover up through payments to women, information the public would normally have gotten from nem duri them during the course of a campaign sabotaged a Fair Election. Do you have see it that way, in other words, something thats impeachable . The president committed a felony in order to become president of the United States. Thats what the chairman was referring to today. And we even have his signature on checks showing the effort that he went to is that sabotaging a Fair Election . To use the words of your chair . Sure. It certainly looks like it is. But what weve started today is a process to gather all of the information. The reason we reached out, chris, to so many people is because we dont want to have to just rely upon what Michael Cohen said. We dont want to just rely upon what we read in newspaper stories. We need the input from everyone who has information that can contribute to, in this case, what certainly looks like a serious case of an attempt to commit a felony in order to win the presidency and then obstruction of justice to cover it up. Barbara, thank you for joining us tonight. Im just back from two weeks away and ive been missing so much of this. I did watch mr. Cohen back there at 5 00 in the morning in new zealand. Let me ask you about being tethered or teased with this guy. What do you make of that, certainly as a question of basically something that would be a basis clearly in itself an Impeachable Offense for people on behalf of the president , did they offer him, if you shut up right now after we gathered all that information from your office, all those emails and Everything Else and tapes, if you shut up now and keep quiet, if you stonewall, well get you out of this. What do you make of that . Of course the facts matter whether that happened would have to be confirmed. But if it did, there are some who say that the president s power to pardon is absolute and he can pardon anyone he wants but even to cover his own trail, to cover up evidence on his own criminality. Can you do that legally . No, i dont think so. Just as he has powers to appoint others and issue executive orders and other kinds of things. If he did so for a corrupt purpose, say he was being paid a Million Dollar bribe, that would be abuse and if he did something to cover up his Impeachable Offense, that would be in itself an Impeachable Offense. Yesterday the president tweeted for the democrats to interview in open hearings a convicted liar fraudster at the same time as the very important Nuclear Summit in north korea is perhaps a new low in american politics that may have contributed to the walk. Never done when a president is overseas. Shame . When the Republican Senate caucus sent a letter to iranian leaders during the nuclear demonstrations, the president said something. And reason the summit failed is they didnt prepare for it. You dont put the head of state in the room with the other head of state without teeing up the agreement first. They thought they could wind trump up, have him in and flatter kim and they failed and now theyre seeking to deflect blame. And trump thought that kim jong un, the tyrant over there is flatterable, look trump is flatterable. By the way, you dont need to flatter people you want to negotiate with. When trump says he takes this murderous dictators word for it, that he had nothing to do with the killing of an american in custody, we know that kim jong un knows everything that goes on there. Let me go to the congressman on that. What do you make that this overlay that the president suggests during the Elijah Cummings committee, it was really damning, does that cause kim jong un to have cold stefee . Thats nonsense from the president. It doesnt really matter what the president says as we embark upon this investigation. We know the president knows it not just a Mueller Investigation. He knows there are investigations in federal court in new york, in federal court in virginia, that there are investigations in state court. There are so many people who are looking at all of the potential areas where there were vie la violations of law. What we have to be careful about, chris, is not allowing the Justice Department department to say on the one hand our policy is not to indict sitting president s and on the other to say and we dont put out information about people who are unindicted, therefore permitting a coverup of anything that the president may have done. Thats another reason why what were doing today and what we announced today what well be doing over the coming months is so important. I agree with you. That makes so much sense. During his more than twohour speech at cpac this weekend, the president said his call for rush for hillarys emails was just a joke. If you tell a joke, if youre sarcastic, if youre having fun with the audience, if youre in Live Television with millions of people and 25,000 people in an arena and if you Say Something like, russia, please, if you can, get us Hillary Clintons emails, please, russia, please im laughing and im having fun and then that fake cnn and others say he asked russia to go get the emails. Horrible. Youve heard of the twinkie defense, this is the pinkyd defense. Heres what trump said in 2016. Russia, if youre listening, i hope youre able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. Do you have any qualms about asking a Foreign Government to interfere, to hack into a system of anybody in this let the president talk to him. Reporter you said i welcome them to find those 30,000 emails. They probably have them. Does that not give you pause . No, that does not give me pause. To be honest with you, id love to see them. Here hes saying it wasnt a joke, it was a serious proposition. On a larger question, so much of what we think might well be abuse of power, obstruction of justice, the president going to the fbi director comey at the time and saying can you let my friend Michael Flynn off on this russia thing, can you get him out of this thing . And the other question of firing comey because he wouldnt do it, he wouldnt show allegiance to the president , theres so much right there like that. Its right there looking at us. The statement about russia, if you have the emails look a lot different now that we know some of the other things going on in that time frame, like the trump tower meeting, this testimony by Michael Cohen that President Trump had heard from roger stone about the release of emails, the allegation in stones indictment about coordination with wikileaks. All of those things look more nefarious. But i think you have to look at it in light of the very thing President Trump said once, i could shoot someone on 5th avenue and get away with it. It seems like thats the way he does his business and his presidency. If you do it out in the open, it harder to say what youre doing is illegal. But maybe that is his best defense, im doing it in plain sight. Ben, you worked for president s. I long ago did. We have a norm in our head of whats decent. You treat our allies pretty well, you treat our adversaries appropriately, you dont start a new cold war. This president is so dizzying how many rules hes broken of what we consider american behavior. Every now and then, chris, you have to step back. Of the 44 people who came before him, there is not one who would do anything remotely like this. And the other thing, chris, is these guys through the campaign and through the first two years just acted like the rules didnt apply to them whatsoever. Theyre breaking laws, theyre violating forms, theyre covering their track, theyre trying to obstruct justice. Whats happened now in our system is because of the midterm leb elections, for the first time, what i see on the list from nadler is being being held to account. They acted like that was never going to happen. Now theres real power in someone elses hands and that picture can be put together. He knew that what they were up to, right . If you assemble this whole picture, it looks much more damning than any one isolation. Congressman deutch, to you. The American People picked this president a guy who said he could do anything physical he wanted to do with women, he could do it and get away with it, they voted for him. He said can i shoot somebody on 5th avenue, they voted for him. A lot of this behavior has been in broad daylight, a broad daylight hold up of american values. Here we are saying should we or not, should we impeach, wait for mueller to give us some informing to help us out here. Where are you on impeachment, sir . Ben makes a really important point, chris, which is, yeah, thats what happened in the last president deial election. Two years later the people decided they needed a check on President Trump and voted a democratic house. The way that you get to impeachment, if we ever get to it, is to lay out in a very careful way all of the facts for the American People to see, not just to rely on what weve seen. There is plenty there in broad daylight, you are right. Just because he talks about the things donesnt mean they dont matter. They do. Let me not be crude about it but present, who was a mixed bag like a lot of people in politics, me, everybody, was impeached because he lied about a relationship with a woman. This president we now know with documentary evidence last week he paid off a woman about a relationship while president. Whats the difference . Paying off or lying . Marley . No, chris, the paying off it not just that he paid off a woman and wrote the check when he was president , he did it in order to become president. There is plenty there that leads us to believe that the president in this case violated the law, did it to become president and then tried to cover it up over the coming weeks and months. You will see because of what were doing so much more laid out clearly for the American People and they be were goin w take that wherever the ultimate decision is in order to ensure that no one, especially the president of the United States, is deemed to be above the law. Thank you. This is a very important cause for our country, sir. Ben rhodes, hes worked with a real president , a good one, thank you, barbara mcquaid. Amy klobuchar, well talk to her about the trump investigation and the race for the white house, which shes in and the showdown about the National Emergency. And coming off a bad week, trump unloads about his presidency. 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Among the 80 targets, don jr. , al i dont know weisselberg and former white House Counsel don mcgahn. Its also signature because the Judiciary Committee also has control over impeachment. Im joined by senator Amy Klobuchar of minnesota and democratic president ial candidate. I nope let me ask you about the approach of jerry nadler, the speaker of the house, nancy pelosi, and others that the smart move and right move for dems, right now and the next year perhaps, look into real investigations and find out the facts, doesnt be talking impeachment. Your thoughts. They have an obligation, the American People in 2018 said that they wanted to see a check and balance on this white house, as well as an optimistic economic agenda. So what i see is two things happening. You have to allow the Mueller Investigation to be completed, we want to see that report public. That has been a major focus of my work on the Judiciary Committee. We have a new attorney general who is not 100 committed to making that report public. And then of course youre going to see investigations about some of these potential Campaign Finance issues. You have a foreign power thats been trying to not just meddle, i hate that word, thats what i use when i call my daughter on a saturday night to ask her what shes doing but invade our democracy. I think you can have both things going on but in the end, we also have to be a check on this administration when it comes to really worsening income inequality, to not doing anything about pharmaceutical prices, to not really moving an infrastructure package forward. Im with you on all that. Let me ask you a question